587 réponses à ce sujet

[DarthKaldriss]

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests.

Technically speaking the FTC can intervene because of the scale of complaint. There is clear liability on the part of Bioware to fulfill its obligations in example the numerous citations that the game will use the gamer's data to affect the end product. This alone constitute gross violation of consumer protection. The fact that you were promised something in the development of a product only to find out that its not the actual product you specified.

  Go to the FTC and try and bring a case I want a good laugh.

[Katamariguy]

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “

Actually, I find that true.

[furryrage59]

It takes a wonderful level of delusion to defend that long and extensive list of fibs.

[Tazzmission]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

says the guy who screams conspiracy and hijacks possitive threads all the time

look in the mirrior next time you want to argue on how the world centers around anyone you 
narcissistic troll

Says the guy who can no longer use a "minority"/"majority" argument and thus labels everyone who doesn't agree with him a cult member and is the one who actually hijacks threads..... and I'm the one who needs to look in a mirror.

Should I go through here and count and list how many people you have insulted in this thread alone? Or how many threads where you respond every 5 minutes to every post ever? Yeah... it's like that. And I'm the troll.

Here's something you may not know. Nobody likes you or respects anything you have to say anymore. Nobody.

at least i dont go around proclaiming to be martin luther king or the womens movment wile hiding behind a chairty

i dont care if you do or dont like me but you are going to repsect me 

No, I don't have to respect you. Because all you do is disrespect people who don't agree with you. And I never compared MYSELF to MLK. I compared a movement and the hate it is getting with another movement and the hate it was getting.

Get a clue. Stop over-reacting. And stop misreading what people are saying. Go... find me the quote where I said, "I'm like MLK". You can't. You can only find me trying to reason with someone who was painting everyone who is part or supports the "Retake ME3" movement as creepy. To which I asked them if they thought other movements and the people who so followed those movements as creepy too.

you picked a fight and you oviously get some sick pleasure out of it

you chose to bring your little protest into places where it isnt even wanted

your hijacking threads and you know what you deserve every insult you get because your asking for it

you came into a thread claiming what your doing is what the women movement did and what mlk did and honestly even one of your own people told you that isnt the right thing to compare it to


yea i speak out because i see people like you spam boards with the same crap everyday and trust me you better start kissing some butt because if i was a moderator you would have already been perma banned as well as a few others

 you think you can take advantage of the devs and mods because there to nice on you dosent mean everyone else  on the board will take the same crap from you


you came into a thread and attacked me for no reason and you expect me to just not say anything?

i was arguing with someone else and you took it upon yourself to get involved so go away

Modifié par Tazzmission, 19 mars 2012 - 10:26 .

[Rickin10]

 The sheer level of deception spouted by Bioware is actually breathtaking.  It’s
not that the majority are a bunch of ‘self-entitled whiners’ (which seems to be
the go-to retort to anyone who has the temerity to raise a negative opinion),  that we didn’t get the magical ending we’d
concocted in our minds, or anything as moronically simplistic as not getting a ‘happy
ending’.   No. 
It’s that we didn’t get anything like what was promised.  

I particularly like these two:

 "I honestly think the player base is going to be really happy
with the way we've done it. You had a part in it. Every decision you've made
will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens.
"Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending.
BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than
answers after finishing the game

"You don’t need to know the answers to the mass effect
universe. So we intentionally
left those out.”

And a few more that people may find interesting:

 

"You can have some
kind of ending and victory, but it’ll be a lot more brutal and minimal (if you
only do the main missions) relative to if you do a lot of stuff. If you really
build a lot of stuff and bring people to your side and rally the entire galaxy
around you, and you come into the end game with that, then you’ll get an
amazing, very definitive ending." 
CH

‘We would never take
stuff out of the core game   and only
have it in DLC’  CH

 "It's
rare that conversations only have two dialogue options".

‘ I don't think you'll see a difference between the Xbox version and the
PS3 version. There's no drop in quality on either."

[jbadm04]

Banelash wrote...
[...]
4) This "moronic" movement, in case you didn't realise, is different as this time, the majority of this forum feels this way. And before you jump into that "yea well 50k is the minority out of total sales" argument, name me one game where ALL the customers joined the forum. A forum is a sample size of your customers. Even elections will never get everyone to vote. Surveys will never get everyone in their target audience to submit it.

Unfortunately, for you,  the people who frequent this forums are not even 1% of the playerbase and not even half of them voice their opinion here. (Wonder if BW could hand out some statistics). Given that, your "majority" is nothing, especialy when there are still people who are ok with the "story".

I havent seen the ending yet so cant comment on it, but sofar, im ok with what I have got and they promised (Btw a priceless tip for everyone: if you realy realy realy anticipate a game, cease hunting for hints, reading forums whateover. You will only get spoiled and disappointed in the end.).

[Dreez]

You know what is most fun, and strange at the same time. We haven't seen any spokesmen
from Bioware trying to explain the deviation from all those quotes. I guess no matter what they
try and say, they realize they can't save their faces.

Also. All those people you recruited during Mass Effect 1-2... and you get THAT roster... ok.

[Navasha]

Sorry but Pre-release quotes and interviews do NOT fall under the category of advertising. Please show me ACTUAL advertisements that were released publicly that promise ANYTHING.

[sorentoft]

jbadm04 wrote...

Banelash wrote...
[...]
4) This "moronic" movement, in case you didn't realise, is different as this time, the majority of this forum feels this way. And before you jump into that "yea well 50k is the minority out of total sales" argument, name me one game where ALL the customers joined the forum. A forum is a sample size of your customers. Even elections will never get everyone to vote. Surveys will never get everyone in their target audience to submit it.

Unfortunately, for you,  the people who frequent this forums are not even 1% of the playerbase and not even half of them voice their opinion here. (Wonder if BW could hand out some statistics). Given that, your "majority" is nothing, especialy when there are still people who are ok with the "story".

I havent seen the ending yet so cant comment on it, but sofar, im ok with what I have got and they promised (Btw a priceless tip for everyone: if you realy realy realy anticipate a game, cease hunting for hints, reading forums whateover. You will only get spoiled and disappointed in the end.).

50.000 is more than enough to make a reasonable assumption on what the playerbase thinks. It paints a general picture. Statistics 101 for you.

[ToJKa1]

Speak for yourself, i wasn't "fed" anything. Because i never follow any pre-release hype since it is always severely exaggarated or downright wrong.

And Bethesda makes BioWare look like amateurs when it comes to hyping things not in the game

[Dirty2007]

Well done collecting it all together

[Tirigon]

Indeed. All advertisement is by definition lying, but in the case of Mass Effect 3 it has reached new heights.

As far as lying goes, Mass Effect 3 shot the president in public and then, still holding the gun, said how it watched the Russians do it.

[MalevoIence]

Tazzmission wrote...

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

I am seriously interested in your thoughts on the topic.  I will give them great thought.  Can you tell me what you did like about the fans who are giving you problems?

i think you mean didnt

i hate how the mornonic movement are ruining the game for new players

i persoanally am tired of being attacked for likeing something i payed for

im also tired of being accused of not playing the first two games and being called a bioware butt kisser


im also sick of hearing this movement speaks for every gamer when in fact they dont speak for me. i speak for me


who the hell are they to say they speak for every fan around the world?


this place use to be fun but now its like no life misery central occupied by people with no lives and get off to complaining and saying they know how a franchise they didnt even create should be


im mentally burnt out and honestly after the current display not just by fans but by gamers as a community it makes me ashamed to be a gamer because those idiots are gona have the whole gaming community targeted for critisizim


are you people actually happy to be laughed at by people?

this whole thing is so out of hand it makes you all look like gaming is the only world you live in

im not trying to bash, attack, flame or insult anyone and if anything im just venting my frustrations on the situation

I and many others are laughing at them, everytime I hear some guy say "hold the line" I do an eye roll, everytime I hear others protest by cancelling their swtor account I chuckle a bit.  Majority of ppl who believe they made a adequate game are the silent majority because they have no reason to complain, and are mature enough not to get in a heated debate over something that is so completely unimportant.  It's their game, that's how they chose to end it, they're not here to make lonely men happy, they're here to make money.  And frankly the gameplay in ME3 was great, story was cliche but adequate, and all in all, the series had an end; even left an open ending just in case they decide to revisit it.  I like the game, if others didn't they wouldn't be playing through it a second time.  Funny though, bet majority who are complaining are probably on their second or third playthrough.  You all need to grow up a little.  Tazz is right

[Frozen Mind]

I remember something about the Keepers, like learning what they really are in ME3. I can't find the source. Maybe it was referring to the harassment of dead human bodies in corridor which reminds what Shepard told about Collectors base. The conclusion is ... oh, never mind.

[Ronin1325]

sorentoft wrote...

jbadm04 wrote...

Banelash wrote...
[...]
4) This "moronic" movement, in case you didn't realise, is different as this time, the majority of this forum feels this way. And before you jump into that "yea well 50k is the minority out of total sales" argument, name me one game where ALL the customers joined the forum. A forum is a sample size of your customers. Even elections will never get everyone to vote. Surveys will never get everyone in their target audience to submit it.

Unfortunately, for you,  the people who frequent this forums are not even 1% of the playerbase and not even half of them voice their opinion here. (Wonder if BW could hand out some statistics). Given that, your "majority" is nothing, especialy when there are still people who are ok with the "story".

I havent seen the ending yet so cant comment on it, but sofar, im ok with what I have got and they promised (Btw a priceless tip for everyone: if you realy realy realy anticipate a game, cease hunting for hints, reading forums whateover. You will only get spoiled and disappointed in the end.).

50.000 is more than enough to make a reasonable assumption on what the playerbase thinks. It paints a general picture. Statistics 101 for you.

Yes, Statistically it leaves 'reasonable' in the dust. This is one of the biggest votes in gaming history, that in *itself* says something very telling. I'm curious how high those numbers will have to go before those who say it's not 'significant' agree that it is. Probably never. In any event, keep this info updated as more is found.

[Aggressor01]

Nevermind if you liked ME3 or not. We have to realize that all these statements are made so fans pre-order their copy.

Now EA laugh all the way to the bank and say: Let them be pissed a few weeks more, then we release the standard DLC and an optional that they need to pay for. 

[Icinix]

BioWare: So will you buy our future DLC and games?

Customer: Lots of speculation......

[P47 ace]

@op
You need to post these to the retake mass effect Facebook page.

Also everything wrong with the endings is laided out well in anger Joe "10 things wrong with the Mass effect 3 ending."

[Icinix]

 

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

This one is the best! Because not only is at outright lie, but they brought the Reapers back regardless - and all they do is give you a war asset value.

Huge Consequences my shiny metal butt.

[avatar2396]

This is why developers of software dont say or shouldnt say anything besides the bare minimum during the dev cycle. Things change all the time during the process. It doesnt mean someone is lying because at the time they said it, it was true at the time but had the change it for whatever reason. I couldnt stand the ending and im not a bioware suckup.

[Reached]

hold the line

[Ronin1325]

Aggressor01 wrote...

Nevermind if you liked ME3 or not. We have to realize that all these statements are made so fans pre-order their copy.

Now EA laugh all the way to the bank and say: Let them be pissed a few weeks more, then we release the standard DLC and an optional that they need to pay for. 

"ending" I assume you meant? Yeah... probably. <_<  I don't mind repeating though, maybe in the vain hope that Bioware hears... that if they released a DLC ending 'fix' for free, and match the Child's Play donation up to that point, they would turn this big pile of lead into pure gold.

[ScriptDiver]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

They won't. They won't stop until the run everyone off the boards, have Obama get involved, and make gamers everywhere look like a bunch of whining entitled idjits. They will never take us seriously again.

And what's really the kicker, they're doing all of this for nothing. Bioware isn't going to change anything. EA won't change anything. The only success they will have is to make everyone look at ALL gamers in a bad light.

Exactly. The ideal gamer should cater to the game industry, not the other way around. They are children that don't understand what is currently considered "fun". Fun is giving the gaming industry money. The more the merrier. Nothing else. Best would be if we can just give money and not even get a game experience in return. Anything that doesn't portray the "norm" gamer in a submissive position down on all for ready for an a******* should clearly be opposed. So in the name of all submissiive consumers out there all of this needs to stop. It's so much easier to take a submissive, silent person seriously.