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[Ronin1325]

ScriptDiver wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

They won't. They won't stop until the run everyone off the boards, have Obama get involved, and make gamers everywhere look like a bunch of whining entitled idjits. They will never take us seriously again.

And what's really the kicker, they're doing all of this for nothing. Bioware isn't going to change anything. EA won't change anything. The only success they will have is to make everyone look at ALL gamers in a bad light.

Exactly. The ideal gamer should cater to the game industry, not the other way around. They are children that don't understand what is currently considered "fun". Fun is giving the gaming industry money. The more the merrier. Nothing else. Best would be if we can just give money and not even get a game experience in return. Anything that doesn't portray the "norm" gamer in a submissive position down on all for ready for an a******* should clearly be opposed. So in the name of all submissiive consumers out there all of this needs to stop. It's so much easier to take a submissive, silent person seriously.

(Bows Humbly before this Master of Sarcasm )

[jess05]

Im actually shocked, that will all of these doci=umented as well as the outrage ATM ..

Not one single comment on these statements. No attempt to defend them or anything ...

[Raizon]

Fission Mailed

[Tim_H]

I'm replaying the game. It is still fun. I think if Bioware would just drop the confusing Joker flight scene and replace with "page bios" like Dragon Age : Origin for each character's life after ME3, people would be happier.

OK, and retcon the business about all the relays exploding and trapping everyone on earth to certain cannibalism and death.

And... ah, forget it.

I'm a software developer myself, so I know very well about grand ideas not quite being achieved. (If my company called me a liar everytime a huge vision petered into into a couple of buttons that flash, I'd be in bad straits).

But, yeah, the dissatisfaction with the ending's concept is what is upsetting us.

All Bioware had to do was drop the relays from detonating, then give a written page bio for the major events. People would still have been disappointed with the "low tech ending" (written bios) but I don't think we'd feel the same outrage.

I mean, I'm over it now, but I was literally stunned for two hours after I finished the game. I went through the so-called five stages of grief.

Sigh, I'm to acceptance now...

[antony1197]

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

dbal wrote...

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

I get that you're very disappointed but this isn't of a magnitude serious enough for the FTC. I don't like the endings and I generally support the Retake movement, but this is outside the FTC's interests.

Technically speaking the FTC can intervene because of the scale of complaint. There is clear liability on the part of Bioware to fulfill its obligations in example the numerous citations that the game will use the gamer's data to affect the end product. This alone constitute gross violation of consumer protection. The fact that you were promised something in the development of a product only to find out that its not the actual product you specified.

They created a game people enjoy.......wait how can the FTC do anything?

If someone didnt like the game then they dont have to play it. If someone reads a book and didnt enjoy it, they dont have to read it. Its bioware's product and their IP. The fans have no rights to it. There is no entitlement for the fans.

If that's the case then they shouldn't have released it in the first place, if they didn't want their "product" to be subjected to scrutiny and used by the public.

Regardless they advertised a product and didnt deliver on a number of things, out of curiosity didnt they say we were returning to omega and illium in the early days?

[Tim_H]

Scratch that--I'm still in the negotiation phase... I'm trying to negotiate with somebody somewhere in charge to change the ending...

[Tim_H]

I think the FTC has nothing to act on. A video game not achieving its "grand vision" isn't a violation of communication laws. But, maybe the fact that people are pissed enough to take it to the FTC will at least jar Bioware into something....

[dbal]

mebtru wrote...

So dbal do not own any ME game why he is defending them so much, or maybe he just pirated the game and he didn't really invest anything in the games, or maybe he is just trolling.

BaronFel124 is another example.

I don't know why people are against or in favor of a game they don't own.

Steam ^-^ no i havent played the first except the very beginning but i played me2 all the way through

[Ronin1325]

dbal wrote...

mebtru wrote...

So dbal do not own any ME game why he is defending them so much, or maybe he just pirated the game and he didn't really invest anything in the games, or maybe he is just trolling.

BaronFel124 is another example.

I don't know why people are against or in favor of a game they don't own.

Steam ^-^ no i havent played the first except the very beginning but i played me2 all the way through

Actually dbal, ME1 is 'comparatively' old-school RPG. If you like that, you'd probably enjoy ME1. I'm biased though, freely admitted. I'm pretty good at action games, but it would be nice to have strategy-based RPG's back like NWN or KOTOR. I can eat dinner and play them.  Sigh... ah well...

[teh_619]

Well. it really didn't help that the majority of you fell for this BS and actually preordered this game.

If you're going to slap Bioware in the face for their lies, how about you give a round to yourselves too?

[dbal]

Ronin1325 wrote...

dbal wrote...

mebtru wrote...

So dbal do not own any ME game why he is defending them so much, or maybe he just pirated the game and he didn't really invest anything in the games, or maybe he is just trolling.

BaronFel124 is another example.

I don't know why people are against or in favor of a game they don't own.

Steam ^-^ no i havent played the first except the very beginning but i played me2 all the way through

Actually dbal, ME1 is 'comparatively' old-school RPG. If you like that, you'd probably enjoy ME1. I'm biased though, freely admitted. I'm pretty good at action games, but it would be nice to have strategy-based RPG's back like NWN or KOTOR. I can eat dinner and play them.  Sigh... ah well...

one of my first games, when i finally got into gaming, was baulders gate. lets see..oh we can thank bioware for that one =p I know old school rpg

[Armass81]

And you seriously believed them? You gullible people, ofc they overhyped and lied. Am I one of the few realists here who knew they couldnt possibly follow through with all of what they said? After ME2 all who saw the signs should have seen this coming.

Modifié par Armass81, 19 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[Drake-Shepard]

Tim_H wrote...

I think the FTC has nothing to act on. A video game not achieving its "grand vision" isn't a violation of communication laws. But, maybe the fact that people are pissed enough to take it to the FTC will at least jar Bioware into something....

I am debating this to myself as well. Gamers may of been mislead by most of the statements but BW can just say they interpreted it differently.

BW may be refering to the  2nd half of ME3 as the ending. You resolve the issue's between geth-quarians, turian-krogan-salarians, and mini issues with hanar etc. There are about 3 different outcomes for these 2 big decisions. 3 x 3 = 9 outcomes/variations of the state of the galaxy based on 2 sets of decisions.

Lets assume there is no indoc theory and no planned dlc ending....then we actually activate the end reaper switch and bang reapers problem is gone.

3 choices again. 9 x 3 =27 . then add the hanar etc outomes to this.

Then these are the 'multiple endings' they told us about.

Don't bite my head off i am not justifying this. The fans were still mislead but unfortunately even in the worst case scenierio it may not be grounds for an FTC complaint.:s

Fingers crossed we are wrong and some crazy-ass free dlc follow up to the indoc theoryis already in place.

[Ronin1325]

dbal wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

dbal wrote...

mebtru wrote...

So dbal do not own any ME game why he is defending them so much, or maybe he just pirated the game and he didn't really invest anything in the games, or maybe he is just trolling.

BaronFel124 is another example.

I don't know why people are against or in favor of a game they don't own.

Steam ^-^ no i havent played the first except the very beginning but i played me2 all the way through

Actually dbal, ME1 is 'comparatively' old-school RPG. If you like that, you'd probably enjoy ME1. I'm biased though, freely admitted. I'm pretty good at action games, but it would be nice to have strategy-based RPG's back like NWN or KOTOR. I can eat dinner and play them.  Sigh... ah well...

one of my first games, when i finally got into gaming, was baulders gate. lets see..oh we can thank bioware for that one =p I know old school rpg

Oh, then in another small bit of thread-derailment, you might appreciate this-  http://www.baldursgate.com/  Dunno if I should cringe or not, but it *could* be interesting and I guess in light of this ME3 situation, Ironic if it's good.

[dbal]

Drake-Shepard wrote...

Tim_H wrote...

I think the FTC has nothing to act on. A video game not achieving its "grand vision" isn't a violation of communication laws. But, maybe the fact that people are pissed enough to take it to the FTC will at least jar Bioware into something....

I am debating this to myself as well. Gamers may of been mislead by most of the statements but BW can just say they interpreted it differently.

BW may be refering to the  2nd half of ME3 as the ending. You resolve the issue's between geth-quarians, turian-krogan-salarians, and mini issues with hanar etc. There are about 3 different outcomes for these 2 big decisions. 3 x 3 = 9 outcomes/variations of the state of the galaxy based on 2 sets of decisions.

Lets assume there is no indoc theory and no planned dlc ending....then we actually activate the end reaper switch and bang reapers problem is gone.

3 choices again. 9 x 3 =27 . then add the hanar etc outomes to this.

Then these are the 'multiple endings' they told us about.

Don't bite my head off i am not justifying this. The fans were still mislead but unfortunately even in the worst case scenierio it may not be grounds for an FTC complaint.:s

Fingers crossed we are wrong and some crazy-ass free dlc follow up to the indoc theoryis already in place.

this is actually how i veiwed it. People are complaining about your choices not deteremining the ending but they dont think about the decisions enough. The geth-quarian one is a hard decision and it effects the galaxy tremenously. Same for the turian-krogan.

[Navasha]

Armass81 wrote...

And you seriously believed them? You gullible people, ofc they overhyped and lied. Am I one of the few realists here who knew they couldnt possibly follow through with all of what they said? After ME2 all who saw the signs should have seen this coming.

This is essentially the problem.   People don't seem to be able to tell what is hype and overexaggeration and what is reality.    When McDonalds shows that big juicy burger on your TV screen, do you believe that?   Have you EVER opened up a Big Mac case and received anything that looks like what was in the commercial?

That doesn't qualify as false advertising, and neither does this.

[P47 ace]

Back to the satitics argument, nations polls done by the Gov and private corperation number only in the few thousands, 10,000 is the largest sample size I have seen

So when 50,000+ people vote and 86+% say that the game ending sucks, that calls for a little more than pause. That is a huge sample, sure their are some that don't vote but those are mainly casual gamers and not hardcore, or devoted gamers like most people on this forum.

With that the consensious is pretty odvious
Sure you can dissaggre and say that you do but that dose not change the fact that more people do not feel the same as you. that is no reason to say the whole movement is unjustified because you don't feel the same.

You can still voice your opinion, but don't troll it.

[dbal]

Ronin1325 wrote...

dbal wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

dbal wrote...

mebtru wrote...

So dbal do not own any ME game why he is defending them so much, or maybe he just pirated the game and he didn't really invest anything in the games, or maybe he is just trolling.

BaronFel124 is another example.

I don't know why people are against or in favor of a game they don't own.

Steam ^-^ no i havent played the first except the very beginning but i played me2 all the way through

Actually dbal, ME1 is 'comparatively' old-school RPG. If you like that, you'd probably enjoy ME1. I'm biased though, freely admitted. I'm pretty good at action games, but it would be nice to have strategy-based RPG's back like NWN or KOTOR. I can eat dinner and play them.  Sigh... ah well...

one of my first games, when i finally got into gaming, was baulders gate. lets see..oh we can thank bioware for that one =p I know old school rpg

Oh, then in another small bit of thread-derailment, you might appreciate this-  http://www.baldursgate.com/  Dunno if I should cringe or not, but it *could* be interesting and I guess in light of this ME3 situation, Ironic if it's good.

wow thanks for the link....i will be following this =D

[Greendagger9900]

thunderhawk862002 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

i should file a sute against the fans because you all give me a headache and making me suffer from stress

seriously just stop

I am seriously interested in your thoughts on the topic.  I will give them great thought.  Can you tell me what you did like about the fans who are giving you problems?

I happen to agree with you Trazzmision, it is really rather sad how all of this is getting out of control.  It is just a game, a good game that I happily paid for.  While I myself have problems with the game (still unable to use my DLC), all games have problems, there is no perfect game, if there was a perfect game there would be no game industry, there would be no new games and nothing to look forward to from the gaming world.  To those who bash and flame...bystanders and people who also express their own opinions, they are just being rude and doing a disservice to everyone on the network.  

I also feel though that if the choices we make are not really going to have that much of an impact EA should be honest with the gamers.   Honesty about the limitations that there will be would get a far better response I think.  Then again at the stages comments were made the designers and everyone working on the project could have thought that they would be able to delver what they were promising.  Maybe techonlogy let them down and they couldn't live up to the fans expectations.  

Modifié par Greendagger9900, 19 mars 2012 - 02:14 .

[Drake-Shepard]

dbal wrote...

Drake-Shepard wrote...

Tim_H wrote...

I think the FTC has nothing to act on. A video game not achieving its "grand vision" isn't a violation of communication laws. But, maybe the fact that people are pissed enough to take it to the FTC will at least jar Bioware into something....

I am debating this to myself as well. Gamers may of been mislead by most of the statements but BW can just say they interpreted it differently.

BW may be refering to the  2nd half of ME3 as the ending. You resolve the issue's between geth-quarians, turian-krogan-salarians, and mini issues with hanar etc. There are about 3 different outcomes for these 2 big decisions. 3 x 3 = 9 outcomes/variations of the state of the galaxy based on 2 sets of decisions.

Lets assume there is no indoc theory and no planned dlc ending....then we actually activate the end reaper switch and bang reapers problem is gone.

3 choices again. 9 x 3 =27 . then add the hanar etc outomes to this.

Then these are the 'multiple endings' they told us about.

Don't bite my head off i am not justifying this. The fans were still mislead but unfortunately even in the worst case scenierio it may not be grounds for an FTC complaint.:s

Fingers crossed we are wrong and some crazy-ass free dlc follow up to the indoc theoryis already in place.

this is actually how i veiwed it. People are complaining about your choices not deteremining the ending but they dont think about the decisions enough. The geth-quarian one is a hard decision and it effects the galaxy tremenously. Same for the turian-krogan.

assuming no indoc theory again....

you can't sue for a plot hole filled ending, or an ending that makes no sense unfortunately.

example. Twilight makes no f%£$n sense

[Guldhun2]

Remember the reviews? You know the ones, those that gave it a 10/10 and proclaiming it the "best game ever made".



Yeah, nothing odd there.

[frostajulie]

dbal wrote...

Fans believe their choices didnt matter, but they did. Everyone seems to be so upset at the ending that they hardly notices the impact they had on the rest of the galaxy during the game.

From what i read from those quotes they all basically say the same thing....


Bioware took feedback from the previous games. Thats how they all phrase it basically. None of the fans are part of their writing team or production team so there is no way for anyone of us to truly help create the story. Everyone says they are entitled to something better. As a quote from Udina, "They are a bunch of self concerned jackasses!" The fans are entitled to purchase biowares game, not threaten them with an FTC lawsuit. >.>

Since you quoted it notice its you and your side doing the name calling here.

We are entitled to get what we were promised which is a huge part of what guided us to make an informed purchase.  We were specifically told we would not get the same ending and WE DID we were told it would not be a choice between door AB and C and that is exactly what it was so we ARE entitled to get what they promised us in exchange for our $80

[dbal]

P47 ace wrote...

Back to the satitics argument, nations polls done by the Gov and private corperation number only in the few thousands, 10,000 is the largest sample size I have seen

So when 50,000+ people vote and 86+% say that the game ending sucks, that calls for a little more than pause. That is a huge sample, sure their are some that don't vote but those are mainly casual gamers and not hardcore, or devoted gamers like most people on this forum.

With that the consensious is pretty odvious
Sure you can dissaggre and say that you do but that dose not change the fact that more people do not feel the same as you. that is no reason to say the whole movement is unjustified because you don't feel the same.

You can still voice your opinion, but don't troll it.

50k....out of how many that actually purchased the game?

[Elhanan]

You forgot the cake; it's supposedly a lie, too. But since so much bias is clouding the corneas of some, it may be easy to miss....

Would that be imported or domestic whine?

[inblack]

Stop it already  growing tired of all the Buuhuuuu im so pissed sad threads