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[spirosz]

Remington wrote...

It is unbelievable that these comments came from the same people that produced the ending. It does not make any sense. And I still do not believe that one person at Bioware actually likes this ending.

I know you must be having a hard time right now with all the outrage going on. Looking back on the whole series and all its perfection until the last 10 minutes of part three... no, you did not intend to end the series that way. I think you were just running out of time to create a proper one.

Might be true, some things do seem rushed - the photostock photos of Tali and the scene after credits, face import issue (how can that be overlooked), etc. I understand that the Developers worked hard and I remember that one quote from Jarrett (I think it was him) about putting in a lot of time/missing holidays, etc, but you can also view that as the game being rushed because of meeting that deadline. Imagine if they had 1 more year to work on this - ME2 characters less sidelined, no photostock uses (still lol'ing at that), less auto-dialogue (even though I think it flows better, but at the cost of uniqueness for individual Shepards), whatever other issue.

This is coming from someone who does like the ending, but I do wish there was a "happy" ending and that it wasn't just the journey that mattered because we can all agree that we each have different journeys, but the outcome will always be the same now, which is unfortunate.

[Ravennus]

BillsVengenace wrote...

Another good catch!

Actually, was there any difference? At all?  Other than the 10 extra Asset points for having the brain and potentially fighting throught the Cerberus base with a more intact human reaper?

(I'm honestly asking.... so far I've only done my paragon playthrough where I blew up the base... and since the ending I don't have any motivation left to complete ME3 on my other 3 characters )

[Super.Sid]

spiros9110 wrote...

Remington wrote...

It is unbelievable that these comments came from the same people that produced the ending. It does not make any sense. And I still do not believe that one person at Bioware actually likes this ending.

I know you must be having a hard time right now with all the outrage going on. Looking back on the whole series and all its perfection until the last 10 minutes of part three... no, you did not intend to end the series that way. I think you were just running out of time to create a proper one.

Might be true, some things do seem rushed - the photostock photos of Tali and the scene after credits, face import issue (how can that be overlooked), etc. I understand that the Developers worked hard and I remember that one quote from Jarrett (I think it was him) about putting in a lot of time/missing holidays, etc, but you can also view that as the game being rushed because of meeting that deadline. Imagine if they had 1 more year to work on this - ME2 characters less sidelined, no photostock uses (still lol'ing at that), less auto-dialogue (even though I think it flows better, but at the cost of uniqueness for individual Shepards), whatever other issue.

This is coming from someone who does like the ending, but I do wish there was a "happy" ending and that it wasn't just the journey that mattered because we can all agree that we each have different journeys, but the outcome will always be the same now, which is unfortunate.

Read the Final Hours app

They tried to go ahead with the indoctrination theory but complicated mechanics made them abandon the idea.At the end they made this ending so that it would be "OPEN TO SPECULATIONS"
I'm not quite sure what to make of this.

[dfstone]

Super.Sid wrote...
Read the Final Hours app

They tried to go ahead with the indoctrination theory but complicated mechanics made them abandon the idea.At the end they made this ending so that it would be "OPEN TO SPECULATIONS"
I'm not quite sure what to make of this.

That reads as "We ran out of time".

[Pinkflamingo22]

I agree its false advertising, Bioware did not deliver on the their promises. Other than the ending the game was great, but all of the fals promises have left a bitter taste in my mouth.

People don't care about how happy or sad the ending is but that it didn't deliver on previous promises. Why do none of the choices matter, why is it that the Reaper can't win? (unless its all indoctrination theory but that looks like its not the case)

I supported the ending, even with its plot holes until I discovered they were all the same, and my choices didn't matter. Our decisions don't impact the ending, and Bioware rushed the ending and used false advertising. Unless a free DLC or update is released I expect future DLC won't do as well.

[byzantine horse]

dfstone wrote...
That reads as "We ran out of time".

Which leads us to the next question: Whose fault is it that they ran out of time?

[Ronin1325]

spiros9110 wrote...

Remington wrote...

It is unbelievable that these comments came from the same people that produced the ending. It does not make any sense. And I still do not believe that one person at Bioware actually likes this ending.

I know you must be having a hard time right now with all the outrage going on. Looking back on the whole series and all its perfection until the last 10 minutes of part three... no, you did not intend to end the series that way. I think you were just running out of time to create a proper one.

Might be true, some things do seem rushed - the photostock photos of Tali and the scene after credits, face import issue (how can that be overlooked), etc. I understand that the Developers worked hard and I remember that one quote from Jarrett (I think it was him) about putting in a lot of time/missing holidays, etc, but you can also view that as the game being rushed because of meeting that deadline. Imagine if they had 1 more year to work on this - ME2 characters less sidelined, no photostock uses (still lol'ing at that), less auto-dialogue (even though I think it flows better, but at the cost of uniqueness for individual Shepards), whatever other issue.

This is coming from someone who does like the ending, but I do wish there was a "happy" ending and that it wasn't just the journey that mattered because we can all agree that we each have different journeys, but the outcome will always be the same now, which is unfortunate.

See now, spiros9110, I would agree with most of what you say, except that I was *sure* I had read an article that stated they had finished the game months before the March 6th release date. Now if that's true (I haven't been able to find the article yet. )  then they weren't rushed at all, and some other factors must have been at work.

[spirosz]

byzantine horse wrote...

dfstone wrote...
That reads as "We ran out of time".

Which leads us to the next question: Whose fault is it that they ran out of time?

Ours and EA's, lol.  People keep pushing here and same with EA.   Though, I'm assuming most of us would of waited if they were to release the game in 1 more year, I would of at least. 

[spirosz]

Ronin1325 wrote...

See now, spiros9110, I would agree with most of what you say, except that I was *sure* I had read an article that stated they had finished the game months before the March 6th release date. Now if that's true (I haven't been able to find the article yet. )  then they weren't rushed at all, and some other factors must have been at work.

Woah, really?  I didn't know this.  That makes it worse IMO!

[DaJe]

LeBurns wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Almost 2 millions copies were sold, though.

Curious as to how many were pre-orders.  I recall the pre-orders of DA2 bringing that games numbers way up ... before reality hit the fan.

It would be very nice to see sales over time. For example the sales of DA2 pretty much fell of a cliff after it was released while DA:O had more stable numbers over a larger time span, even rising again at some point. This shows that one game sold because of marketing and hype and the other because of actual quality and word of mouth.

I would like to see such comparison with ME1, 2 and 3.

Pretty much anything that happened before and on the first few days of release says little to nothing about the actualy quality and popularity of the game.

[Ronin1325]

spiros9110 wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

See now, spiros9110, I would agree with most of what you say, except that I was *sure* I had read an article that stated they had finished the game months before the March 6th release date. Now if that's true (I haven't been able to find the article yet. )  then they weren't rushed at all, and some other factors must have been at work.

Woah, really?  I didn't know this.  That makes it worse IMO!

I know, and it annoys me I can't find it. Usually I'm very anal about those kinds of things.

[laststarfighter]

Kub666 wrote...

Hah, this is good.

My favorite, from Casey:

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

Nice. They really did troll us all.

We'll I guess technically they didn't lie. It's not A, B, or C....It's Red, Blue or Green.

Modifié par laststarfighter, 19 mars 2012 - 04:10 .

[Super.Sid]

byzantine horse wrote...

dfstone wrote...
That reads as "We ran out of time".

Which leads us to the next question: Whose fault is it that they ran out of time?

Hackers that leaked the script and ultimately it becomes a question of security as to how they could let their assets get leaked.

[Ronin1325]

Super.Sid wrote...

byzantine horse wrote...

dfstone wrote...
That reads as "We ran out of time".

Which leads us to the next question: Whose fault is it that they ran out of time?

Hackers that leaked the script and ultimately it becomes a question of security as to how they could let their assets get leaked.

I haven't read the hacked script. If it was noticeably better than what actually came out, wouldn't it have just been preferable to release it rather than push something out there that wasn't as well thought out? 

[Remington]

Ronin1325 wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Remington wrote...

It is unbelievable that these comments came from the same people that produced the ending. It does not make any sense. And I still do not believe that one person at Bioware actually likes this ending.

I know you must be having a hard time right now with all the outrage going on. Looking back on the whole series and all its perfection until the last 10 minutes of part three... no, you did not intend to end the series that way. I think you were just running out of time to create a proper one.

Might be true, some things do seem rushed - the photostock photos of Tali and the scene after credits, face import issue (how can that be overlooked), etc. I understand that the Developers worked hard and I remember that one quote from Jarrett (I think it was him) about putting in a lot of time/missing holidays, etc, but you can also view that as the game being rushed because of meeting that deadline. Imagine if they had 1 more year to work on this - ME2 characters less sidelined, no photostock uses (still lol'ing at that), less auto-dialogue (even though I think it flows better, but at the cost of uniqueness for individual Shepards), whatever other issue.

This is coming from someone who does like the ending, but I do wish there was a "happy" ending and that it wasn't just the journey that mattered because we can all agree that we each have different journeys, but the outcome will always be the same now, which is unfortunate.

See now, spiros9110, I would agree with most of what you say, except that I was *sure* I had read an article that stated they had finished the game months before the March 6th release date. Now if that's true (I haven't been able to find the article yet. )  then they weren't rushed at all, and some other factors must have been at work.

Yes, I read the same news a couple of months before: Game's finished. But this still does not make sense to me. It is impossible that everyone at Bioware working on the ending overlooked those massive plotholes. I am not even complaining about whether it is a good or bad ending (though I definitely wished a brighter one). I am complaining that it just does not even make any sense in the first place. After creating such a brilliant Trilogy (this was in fact the greates gaming experience I have ever had. There were some plotholes, nothing major)... my only explanation for this ending is that Bioware ran out of time. Maybe they got some last minute ideas they decided to implement into the game, but then realised that they could not properly install it in time.... resulting in this mess nobody truly understands. 

I am sorry to say that. Maybe I am just dumb.... but I just don't get it!  

[streamlock]

I know reading all that it seems like we were puposely and blantently lied to.  Considering how many of us got so invested in this series, even I have a hard time not feeling that. (Not everybody, there are a minority of people that don't care, and and even lesser minority that really dig it-and they are entitled to that)

I think the sad sad truth after reading all that is that Hudson et. al. lied to themselves.  They continued to hang on these false beliefs right up to the bitter end, and during the final crunch, pulled this out last minute and said to themselves, and I quote "Yeah, we nailed it".

I think there were a vocal component within Bioware/EA that saw how unfullfilling, and if they ever played other video games, almost a carbon copy off another game/s.  You can't claim artistic license on something that was already done verbatim a few years before.  They lied to themselves again and dismissed those people as well.

And I think, even dispite the majority (I know there are you out there that think it's the best thing since L.Ron.Hubberd-or whatever your into-more power to ya) of not just fans, but the entire consumer base telling them otherwise-they are continuing to lie to themselves.  

So there.  I don't think there was ever any evil conspiricy to decieve you.  They decieved themselves, and in doing so let the majority of us down.

We can only hope the brass's egos are not so inflated as to see their own failings and correct them.

[WaterWar]

This list is one of the main reasons behind why I feel cheated. We were promised so much, but ended up with so little compared to the promises/quotes you've found.
This is only regarding the ending, as I found the rest of the game close to perfect.

[dark_melancholy]

Dreez wrote...

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"

Oh really? Because here I thought I would have to buy another product (Xbox LIVE Gold) in order to fully enjoy your game. Or maybe I just have to buy and play enough DLCs... <_<

[Artemis_Entrari]

I really need the willpower to stay out of threads like this.  Because every time I read the numerous quotes and promises from the developers that never came to fruition, the angrier I get about the ending.  The quotes that really bug me the most are when Hudson and Walters make it sound like the endings will be determined by what the player does over the course of the series, when in reality it DOESN'T MATTER ONE BIT.

Note to BioWare: for future games, if you are unable to implement certain features (whether it be due to time constraints or simply an inability due to technical reasons), DON'T PROMISE THAT THEY WILL BE IN THE GAME.

Modifié par Artemis_Entrari, 19 mars 2012 - 05:30 .

[RocketManSR2]

RamirezWolfen wrote...

Holy crap. I've been off for a while, and look at what the forums have become.

Sad, isn't it? I firmly believe BioWare had big plans for the ending of ME3, but as time passed during development they realized how much time it was going to take. They would have missed that March date by several months so they focused on a "short and sweet" ending. We all know how that turned out. Hell, DLC might allow BioWare to add in the endings that they wanted to do, too. You never know.

[RocketManSR2]

Ronin1325 wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

See now, spiros9110, I would agree with most of what you say, except that I was *sure* I had read an article that stated they had finished the game months before the March 6th release date. Now if that's true (I haven't been able to find the article yet. )  then they weren't rushed at all, and some other factors must have been at work.

Woah, really?  I didn't know this.  That makes it worse IMO!

I know, and it annoys me I can't find it. Usually I'm very anal about those kinds of things.

Uh, no. ME3 went gold a month or so before release.

[Getorex]

People, you are not stuck with this and you have a very big stick with which to beat the crap out of Bioware with to force them to give satisfaction. Amazon.com is giving refunds for returns of ME3. Yesterday I initiated a complaint with EA Games customer support about the false advertising, false promises made about ME3, what I thought I was buying and what I actually received. I indicated that the only way to discover the problem was to actually play through to the end where the problem exists. After that...

A few more emails exchanged led to them offering to replace my Mass Effect 3 game with any other game of my choice of the same price. I have deleted ME3 and am currently downloading the replacement. I also told them that if Bioware corrects the ending so that it actually matches with what was advertised, no longer destroys the replayability of all the other games in the series, and makes replays of ME3 worthwhile and logical, then I would be happy to re-purchase ME 3 again in the future.

So, refund or exchange. You can make your voice be heard with the weight of an anvil by taking your money elsewhere.

[brfritos]

Tazzmission wrote...

yea sure ill tell you

in me1 we had basicly only a a and b  decision wich led to the same outcome persidiam in ruins and shepard alive

me2 again a and b  decisions involving keeping or destroying the collector base and yet same outcome

me3. we get a a,b,c option and frankly i think the endings are the way they are because this is the end of shepards trilogy not mass effect as a whole but shepards story alone including the people of the time he knew and loved

Except in ME3 Shepard destroys the entire galaxy, the selfish bastard/bi*ch.
Who needs Reapers when you have Shepard... 

[Gatt9]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

See now, spiros9110, I would agree with most of what you say, except that I was *sure* I had read an article that stated they had finished the game months before the March 6th release date. Now if that's true (I haven't been able to find the article yet. )  then they weren't rushed at all, and some other factors must have been at work.

Woah, really?  I didn't know this.  That makes it worse IMO!

I know, and it annoys me I can't find it. Usually I'm very anal about those kinds of things.

Uh, no. ME3 went gold a month or so before release.

Actually,  they're right.  It was complete and submitting to MS for approval in January.  Going gold only means going to reproduction,  it's different than being finished.

[Ronin1325]

Gatt9 wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

spiros9110 wrote...

Ronin1325 wrote...

See now, spiros9110, I would agree with most of what you say, except that I was *sure* I had read an article that stated they had finished the game months before the March 6th release date. Now if that's true (I haven't been able to find the article yet. )  then they weren't rushed at all, and some other factors must have been at work.

Woah, really?  I didn't know this.  That makes it worse IMO!

I know, and it annoys me I can't find it. Usually I'm very anal about those kinds of things.

Uh, no. ME3 went gold a month or so before release.

Actually,  they're right.  It was complete and submitting to MS for approval in January.  Going gold only means going to reproduction,  it's different than being finished.

Okay, if that's confirmed then I gladly stand corrected. It makes things... slightly less puzzling.