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[hawat333]

Hahahahahah.
Ok, that was fun.

[wulf3n]

KingDan97 wrote... I care that he came here and made a spectacle of himself, which got back to news sources and made the movement look worse.

Just for reference, where is this thread where the person in question bragged?

I remember a thread about someone asking if there were grounds for a complaint, and a few threads pointing out external sites discussing it, but not the thread itself.

does anyone have a link?

[Kersca]

The uproar on here about this makes the retake movement look as irrational as those negative outside media sources portray them to be.

Consumers making FTC complaints are so common, nothing to look down on, and in no way extreme. I'm willing to bet EA has quite a few FTC former employees on the payroll.

[Flashflame58]

Ahh yes, "sixteen endings." We have dismissed those claims.

[ek5000]

Spectre 117 wrote...

Actually in most demos and videos there is a claim that says the final product may be different from what is being shown.

Yes, and to some extend, it is always atleast implied that even things said and "promises" made during interviews may not apply to the end product.

It would be incredibly naive to think any formal complaints would come to anything - but still, a customer has the right to complain.

Game companies, due to the nature of their products, are only really regulated by their customers - their wallets to be exact.

BioWare made a lot of "promises" that are completely opposite of what they actually delivered - http://social.biowar.../index/10056886 

They never mentioned that what was advertised about the way the story would end, had been changed.

The ME movement isn't about some bat**** legal action, it's about asking BioWare to do right by the fans.

[CavScout]

wulf3n wrote...

Grasich wrote...

Bullseye_Sally wrote...

This isn't good. We are a community and when one of us fails we all fail, when one of us succeeds we all succeed. It would be good for us to remember that. I'm very disappointed with whoever filed that complaint.

This. We need to show a united Consensus. Random people doing over-the-top things makes US look bad.

Hold the line.

How is someone utilizing their right as a consumer over the top?

it's not this that's making you look bad, attacking it is.

Abusing a system beause you don't like a video game ending is over-the-top in so many ways.

[Antigone2283]

YES YES THEY WERE. Immediately after doing it he came here and bragged about it, he addressed it to Bioware, regardless of whether there's a chance of it hurting them or not you do not take a swing at someone three times your size.

"You do not take a swing at someone three times your size"? Sad. Isn't that kind of the spirit of the whole Mass Effect franchise? Taking a swing against impossible odds? If the little guy never stands up for himself, nothing ever changes and the big guy maintains the status quo in his favor.

From the FTC website, "Bureau of Consumer Protection's mandate is to protect consumers against unfair, deceptive, or fraudulent practices." Isn't that what the movement is about? Protesting what we feel is an unfair ending, deceptive in what was originally promised us? Frankly, I admire that more than all the people willing to roll over and take whatever Bioware feeds us, in the name of artistic license.
Edited for formatting fail...

Modifié par Antigone2283, 19 mars 2012 - 01:24 .

[wulf3n]

CavScout wrote...
Abusing a system beause you don't like a video game ending is over-the-top in so many ways.

How is using the system in the way it was intended "abuse" 

A person feels they were told lies about a product and they have a right to raise the issue, wether or not their complaint is valid is up to the FTC itself to decide.

[Verit]

You need to realize that infighting is the easiest way for this movement to fail to achieve its goal. Certain media are using it against us, sure, but there's no reason for us to start arguing over this as well.

[CavScout]

Walrusninja wrote...

In every group, every class, every movement, every team, there's someone who takes things too far. Let it go, not worth getting up in arms about it.

He is getting plenty of support in this thread, and in others. He is not some lone fringe, he is broadly supported by members of the "movement".

[CasbynessPC]

Odd that people are surprised. He started a thread to discuss what he was doing on Thursday and at least three others replied agreeing with him and doing the same thing.

[CavScout]

Flashflame58 wrote...

Ahh yes, "sixteen endings." We have dismissed those claims.

Dismissing unfortunately is not the same as disproving. Just like not liking what was delivered is not the same as it not being delivered.

[wulf3n]

CasbynessPC wrote...
Odd that people are surprised. He started a thread to discuss what he was doing on Thursday and at least three others replied agreeing with him and doing the same thing.

link?

I'm being srs as well, i'm interested in seeing where/how this all started.

[Leafs43]

FTC complaint is just holding Bioware/EA accountable.

Why the hell would anyone be against that?

[Heretic19]

It's stupid because we hold them accountable by holding the line. Not being little ****es

[CavScout]

wulf3n wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Abusing a system beause you don't like a video game ending is over-the-top in so many ways.

How is using the system in the way it was intended "abuse" 

A person feels they were told lies about a product and they have a right to raise the issue, wether or not their complaint is valid is up to the FTC itself to decide.

What kind of cop-out is that? "It doesn't matter if it is valid or not; let the FTC decide!"

[CavScout]

Leafs43 wrote...

FTC complaint is just holding Bioware/EA accountable.

Why the hell would anyone be against that?

Simple: Not liking a video game's ending is not grounds for filing an FTC complaint. And let's not pretend otherwise, this is about liking or not liking a video game's ending.

[ScooterPie88]

I think this is an excellent idea. You want to create a giant ****storm file a formal complaint with a federal agency. Sure it is possible we look like the biggest tools on seven planets but if you want EA to start posting some info this is the best way to do it. File the complaint, let the lawyers sort it out.

[Silveralen]

Heretic19 wrote...

It's stupid because we hold them accountable by holding the line. Not being little ****es

Yep, taking action against a company through approved channels set up by the goverment for this very purpose is alot stupider than pestering the company on their forum.

Do you even hear yourself right now?

CavScout wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

FTC complaint is just holding Bioware/EA accountable.

Why the hell would anyone be against that?

Simple:
Not liking a video game's ending is not grounds for filing an FTC
complaint. And let's not pretend otherwise, this is about liking or not
liking a video game's ending.

The developers lied to us about the content. THat is why many of us are upset. More than likely, that is why he was upset. They lied. That is what it is about. They mislead us, I want what I was promised.

Modifié par Silveralen, 19 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[wulf3n]

CavScout wrote...
What kind of cop-out is that? "It doesn't matter if it is valid or not; let the FTC decide!"

How is that a cop-out? That's their job!

CavScout wrote...
And let's not pretend otherwise, this is about liking or not liking a video game's ending.

 

If that's what you have to tell yourself then so be it.

Modifié par wulf3n, 19 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[DnVill]

good idea... give more pressure to fix this nightmare

[KlownSnypr]

I like this guy, about time some one stood up against these corporations who give us half assed and incomplete games(not talking specifically about EA/BW).

I'm sure you guys have noticed but didn't think anything of it but don't you think it odd that the replay value is limited to the amount of DLC a game has rather than what is included? A decade or so ago gaming companies wouldn't have dared to do crap like this. Thus they created quality games with tons of replay value but now it is all about putting the game out as fast as possible with or without game breaking glitches that can be fixed later, Test Drive Unlimited 2 for example.

The more docile we remain and give into these business practices the more these corporations will take advantage and give us less content for more money. However, it we are assertive and even boycott gaming companies they will eventually have to give into our demands.

We hold the power people, not these Corporations.

[Kersca]

Heretic19 wrote...

It's stupid because we hold them accountable by holding the line. Not being little ****es

Hold them accountable by letting them charge you for a new ending and as a conseqeunce giving every other developer the idea that it is ok to mini-transaction the hell out of every game?    At least the ending got changed!!! Now when can i swipe my credit card to get Thane cured?  

[KlownSnypr]

Kersca wrote...

Heretic19 wrote...

It's stupid because we hold them accountable by holding the line. Not being little ****es

Hold them accountable by letting them charge you for a new ending and as a conseqeunce giving every other developer the idea that it is ok to mini-transaction the hell out of every game?    At least the ending got changed!!! Now when can i swipe my credit card to get Thane cured?  

800 M$ for Thane Cure

1200 M$ for Quarians out of their suits

4000 M$ for a 5 second view of Tali's face without her mask on

8000 M$ for totally nude and totally explicit sex scenes that are fully controllable, oh wait we had that in ME1 already.

[krogstor]

Ahh jeez, now the reapers have us fighting each other instead of them.