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[Linus108]

Pelle6666 wrote...

WTF!? We're trying to make Bioware change the endings, not pressing some legal issues! What did he/she think they would accomplish with this?

Get them to change the ending... 

[ThePrestige10]

Yeah. Let him complain. Why not?

[Somath Cegem]

Okay somebody is gonna have to explain this to the Non-Americans cause for all I can tell the guy just wants all his money back not just the partial he'll get from a trade in.

[Spectre 117]

WhiteVV1ings wrote...

Yep, his FTC effort won't go through. I wouldn't worry about it tainting our movement to seriously.

Actually take a look at this :/! 
http://www.gamepur.c...t-3-ending.html 

[wulf3n]

2 things:

1) why do all of you care SO much about what other people think?

2) Why can't someone who feels a product they've bought doesn't meet what was advertised raise the issue with the FTC? are you that worried that it may make you look bad that you would try to deny someone their right?

[Joy Sauce]

He's using the tools available to him to protect himself as a consumer. That's not "uncivil," corporate entities must be held accountable for their actions, and it can be argued that pre-release statements made about what to expect from the ending were misleading (i.e. lies). He's not throwing eggs at the corporate headquarters or making personal attacks against individuals in the company. The FTC complaint probably won't go anywhere, but it draws attention to the movement and may cause future game developers to be more careful about potentially falsely advertising their products. BioWare isn't a sensitive artist whose feelings we have to worry about. They're a corporation, and if we don't protect ourselves as consumers of their products, no one will.

Modifié par Joy Sauce, 18 mars 2012 - 10:29 .

[longtimecoming00]

People act surprised that a consumer is filing a complaint with the FTC. This is not some singular momentous occurrence. Consumers, of which gamers are a subgroup, have been filing complaints with the department since its inception. There's nothing special or noteworthy about this event.

[WhiteVV1ings]

Eterna5 wrote...

WhiteVV1ings wrote...

Yep, his FTC effort won't go through. I wouldn't worry about it tainting our movement to seriously.

Your movement is already beyond tainted, I don't see the problem. 

That is your opinion and I assume you are among the ones who liked the ending. Either way, I'm not here to argue with you. 

[Spectre 117]

Linus108 wrote...

Pelle6666 wrote...

WTF!? We're trying to make Bioware change the endings, not pressing some legal issues! What did he/she think they would accomplish with this?

Get them to change the ending... 

This just makes the relationship between customers and developer worse than what it already is. I don't see how this can help.

[RedMike512]

Why do people have such a problem with this? More power to him, I say. As long as its legal and non-violent, I say go for it.

[iamthedave3]

Eterna5 wrote...

WhiteVV1ings wrote...

Yep, his FTC effort won't go through. I wouldn't worry about it tainting our movement to seriously.

Your movement is already beyond tainted, I don't see the problem. 

Oh yes, donating to charity. Spawn of satan we are.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Guys please just ignore this. It's one man and it is not going anywhere it has no effect on anything. The only reason the gaming press running with this is because they think it will either split the movement or we waste our time going after this guy because we are worried about what the media will say. The fact it the media needs EA's money so they are not going to say anything good about us. We can't let that side track us,if this movement stands for anything it's that the truth speaks louder then any lies or spin. Please just let this die.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Grasich]

The Angry One wrote...

A consumer made an FTC complaint, and the FTC will decide if it's valid or not.
Whatever comes of it, it has little to do with the rest of us.

While this is true, the opponents of the Retake movement will use this as ammo to make us look bad. They'll say "Hey look at these people, they're absolutely crazy trolls!" and of course anyone who isn't really paying attention to the movement will likely believe them.

This kind of behavior is unacceptable, and makes the rest of us look bad by association.

[sAxMoNkI]

In my eyes a complaint like this before bioware has made ANY commital statement positive or negative is premature and fairly irresponsible. Even if Bioware come out and say "No the endings are exactly what we promised" then its still a stretch to file a formal complaint. People need to hold the line until Bioware state their position, we have to allow them to defend/ explain all of this.

[WhiteVV1ings]

Spectre 117 wrote...

WhiteVV1ings wrote...

Yep, his FTC effort won't go through. I wouldn't worry about it tainting our movement to seriously.

Actually take a look at this :/! 
http://www.gamepur.c...t-3-ending.html 

Well, I would be lying to say it wouldn't effect us at all in some degree. But again, this fiasco won't take a serious damage against us. Call me optimistic but that is how I see it. 

Modifié par WhiteVV1ings, 18 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[Su13perfitz]

Linus108 wrote...

People care way too much about this guy. Who cares what he did. To say that ONE guy = an entire fan base is ridiculous. Truth is, the Mainstream Media (who is in the pocket of BioWare) was going to slander us regardless.

Kind of ironic that BioWare continues to support them, and then turn around and try to tell the fans they respect us, and think our concerns are valid. Love it.

Anyways, people are overreacting to what this guy did. If the guy (as a consumer) truly feels he was promised something, and they advertised a feature, and didn't deliver it, filing an FTC complaint is legally how a consumer would go about doing it.

Why people are saying this is a deadly sin or going too far is ridiculous. If you wouldn't do it, then you wouldn't. That's cool.

Agreed people think this guy did something wrong. He believes BW engaged in false advertising and there is at least some public evidence to sugest it. If someone does that you file a complaint with the FTC. Do I think there is a enough evidence that I would personally file a complaint, no I do not. Also it is not like this person flew off the rocker and started burning down buildings. A lawsuit is a letter writing campaign with some teeth on it.

HOLD THE LINE!!!!!

Modifié par Su13perfitz, 18 mars 2012 - 10:33 .

[Eterna]

iamthedave3 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

WhiteVV1ings wrote...

Yep, his FTC effort won't go through. I wouldn't worry about it tainting our movement to seriously.

Your movement is already beyond tainted, I don't see the problem. 

Oh yes, donating to charity. Spawn of satan we are.

I agree with your charity. It's the other crap you guys do. 

[Linus108]

Spectre 117 wrote...

Linus108 wrote...

Pelle6666 wrote...

WTF!? We're trying to make Bioware change the endings, not pressing some legal issues! What did he/she think they would accomplish with this?

Get them to change the ending... 

This just makes the relationship between customers and developer worse than what it already is. I don't see how this can help.

You act as if he hadn't done this, EA/BioWare would have viewed fans differently for being upset. They are corporation, and will not care about what you say until it seriously could affect their ability to make money.

Stop overreacting. 

Modifié par Linus108, 18 mars 2012 - 10:32 .

[wulf3n]

Grasich wrote...
This kind of behavior is unacceptable.

Someone using their rights as a consumer is unacceptable?

[Spectre 117]

Grasich wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

A consumer made an FTC complaint, and the FTC will decide if it's valid or not.
Whatever comes of it, it has little to do with the rest of us.

While this is true, the opponents of the Retake movement will use this as ammo to make us look bad. They'll say "Hey look at these people, they're absolutely crazy trolls!" and of course anyone who isn't really paying attention to the movement will likely believe them.

This kind of behavior is unacceptable, and makes the rest of us look bad by association.

Exactly my point! Heck gamepur.com stated that it was a movement rather than one man's actions. "
Mass Effect 3 fans are taking their fight against Bioware and EA on the issue of game's ending to EXTREME level. Gamers are now filing FTC complaints against EA and Bioware for "FALSE ADVERTISING" after the ending of Mass Effect 3."

[Lietuvis]

It was posted yesterday so yeah... too late buddy.

[Spectre-00N7]

The person who did this has every right to do so. I however do not want to go legally with this issue.

[effortname]

It's a funny way to get free publicity. No one actually cares about this because no one can possibly take it seriously.

[suusuuu]

nitefyre410 wrote...

The FTC is a legit consumer tool that he used and anyone can use to file any complaint. Just like the Better Business Bureau. This just shows how much these so called "Gaming Journalist" really know... which is not a lot. SMH

[BrotherFluffy]

Yeah, this is spreading around certain sites, like Game Informer and Kotaku, but notice the media giants like CNN and Forbes are sitting on this one. Not even FOX News is commenting on it. Why? Because it's only ONE GUY. It's not representative of the whole movement, and anyone who does their research will see that. These other sites that are siding with BioWare are simply trying to discredit the movement. And seriously, in the long run, which news organizations do you think BioWare's investors read/watch more-Forbes or Kotaku?