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[cotheer]

*omgosh it is the end of the world, ruuun*
Hold your pants drama queens.

It was his given right to do it, and personally i don't mind.

Modifié par cotheer, 18 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[ArcanistLibram]

People call 911 over McNuggets. That's stupid.

Investigating the validity of false advertisement complaints is part of the FTC's job. I'm not seeing a problem here.

[wesr]

Athro wrote...

The thing that a lot people seem to be overlooking is that the gaming industry has had it easy in the arena of consumer challenges. We, as a consumer base, tend to put up with a lot of poor business practice from gaming corps.

So it's probably good to have such a challenge raised, if only to remind those in the industry that they need to stop assuming that they can continue with bad business practice on the assumption that gamers will just put up with it.

Personally, I don't think there is a strong enough case to say Bioware falsely advertised their product. I think they delivered what they said they would in a very technical sense, but failed to deliver on the spirit of what was promised. That is to say that they did the bare minimum to meet their obligation rather than genuinely provided what was promised.

But the guy was well within his rights to raise the complaint, and I do think that it needs to go through that challenge process - not just for Bioware but to send a clear message to all game developers that they need to make sure that they are following good business practices.

I agree the entire gaming industry needs a few shots across the bow to get them to realize we're not the mindless meatpuppets they think we are.

[Linus108]

SaladinDheonqar wrote...

Bioware lies about their product, and a customer files a complaint. Why the uproar? It makes us look bad? Let's be honest, those using this to attack us would've found other ways if not this. They're already in Bioware/EA's back pocket. I actually admire the guy for thinking for himself and taking action. It's not like he filed the complaint in the movement's name or anything. Just calm down people.

Agreed.

It only makes us look bad, because the Mainstream Media is spinning it that way. But let's be real, they have been doing this anyways. Regardless of what we do, they find a way to make us look awful. So I don't get why people are rolling over and agreeing with them. Siding and distancing themselves....just because they are making this guys actions look ridiculous. 

God, I hate this industry in its current state. 

Modifié par Linus108, 18 mars 2012 - 11:00 .

[mupp3tz]

What's frustrating is that it only takes 1 person to act completely overboard to paint RetakeME3 in bad light, yet again. If anything illustrates the importance of remaining civil, it's this. Do not forget that your voice will count more when you act with manners and grace.

[XanderCz]

Calm down, everyone, this man is well within his rights to file a complaint to whatever organization that protects consumers.

I can't believe so many consumers here on this forum would gladly get treated badly than to be a responsible consumer. If you don't like the product you bought, you file a complaint. What's so difficult to understand? It's not like he drove outside BioWare HQ in Edmonton and started shooting people.

And these gaming sites are just trying to slander us, no matter what we do.

[Legendaryred]

I filed an FTC complaint last week about my broom, mmhmm.

[kegNeggs]

now is the time to stand together (sound familiar?) ... but maybe this is not the means to achieve our goal. marks the whole group as extremists and so on

[wulf3n]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...
What's frustrating is that it only takes 1 person to act completely overboard to paint RetakeME3 in bad light, yet again. If anything illustrates the importance of remaining civil, it's this. Do not forget that your voice will count more when you act with manners and grace.

RetakeME3 has done a lot of things to paint themselves in a bad light. This is not one of them.

[MzAdventure]

Folks, learn about the what the FTC does before getting all in up arms about a citizen exercising an avenue open to any consumer who feels they've been a victim of fraudulent business practices.

He made an interesting and logical presentation for his approach. I personally do not feel the statements/advertising by Bioware pre-release rise to the level of fraud as this extremely difficult to prove for a product that is subjective in nature, therefore I will not lodge a complaint.

But I applaud the fellow who did for following his heart.

I have removed my Retake banner as the responses to this fellow's exercising a civic option open to him have been at the best, uncivil and at the worse, rude.

Amazing how many who are so quick to decry their lack of choices in the ending to the game (universally reviled) are eager to limit the choices of others in expressing themselves.

Can't you just say "I choose not to" and leave it at that?

I'm ashamed to be afflilated, this after 8 days and multiple donations to the kids, etc.

congrats, though, you may have helped me past my ME3 induced malaise and given me the push I need to get off these boards.

Modifié par victoriakm, 18 mars 2012 - 11:03 .

[Linus108]

Legendaryred wrote...

I filed an FTC complaint last week about my broom, mmhmm.

If the broom advertised a laser beam, and you bought it under the belief it would have a laser as advertised, you would be well within your rights if it didn't have a damn laser.

Modifié par Linus108, 18 mars 2012 - 11:05 .

[pharsti]

Seriously, this again, stop making the guy look like a madman, he bought a product, hes unhappy with it, its his right to file a complaint.

You dont agree, dont file one, but just look at what he did, there is logic there, which is more than can be said with the ending btw >_>

[joopark]

Athro wrote...

Linus108 wrote...

I feel like people don't really understand the arguments being made here, or don't even know what they themselves are arguing:

Are you arguing that BioWare as a company promised you something in their product, and didn't deliver? If so...why is this guy an imbecile for using the proper channels as a consumer to file his complaint.

Or are some you making the argument that you just didn't like the ending, and so you want them to change it to satisfy you.

I thought 99% of the movement was in the first party, that felt like BioWare didn't deliver on their promises, therefore feel they have valid reason to be upset, and have BioWare do what is needed to fix it. I think we need people need to figure out where exactly they stand on this. 

From what I can see is that it's a bit of column a and a bit of column b.

The problem with ME3's ending is that it makes so many mistakes in so many areas, that the reasons for people being dissatisfied with any of the options are multiple and varied. The only thing that really links all these people is that they are all unhappy with how the game ended.

Some are unhappy because it didn't deliver the multiple and varied endings promised.
Some are unhappy because they didn't get a happy ending.
Some are unhappy because the ending provided is full of plot holes.
Some are unhappy because the ending lacked any closure.
Some are unhappy because of all of the above.

I'm sure there are other reasons too.

So for some of these people, I imagine it's a case of "if we take legal action, then Bioware will turtle up and go on the defensive."

I'm all for more ME3. I want to see something done about the ending. I don't want to dictate to Bioware precisely what because I want to be surprised. (Hopefully pleasantly.) But I feel that if Bioware wants to be seen as a professional company, then they will allow this complaint to follow through it's process and keep it separate from their dealings with the feedback.

I agree. It's a bit of both. I think a) and go hand in hand. If we were given actual multiple endings I'm pretty sure most people could live with them. BioWare really hyped themselves up waaaaay too much and underestimated the fanbase's negative reaction to it. I was seriously displeased. I wasn't raging, but I just sat in my chair and was like "Uh.....". The cutscenes in the end only furthered my "Uh...." reaction. 

I really liked ME1 and ME2. I liked the second game so much that when my harddrive failed and died. Luckily, I had my ME1 save file backed up, but I replayed the second one just so I could get MY Shepard back and ready for the third one. However, I will never be playing the third one again because they ruined a great story.

[rebo_tfc]

This guy did nothing wrong, bioware LIED about their product therefore he takes it up with consumer protection.

A company cannot just lie and deceive their customers and get away with it.

[Linus108]

pharsti wrote...

Seriously, this again, stop making the guy look like a madman, he bought a product, hes unhappy with it, its his right to file a complaint.

You dont agree, dont file one, but just look at what he did, there is logic there, which is more than can be said with the ending btw >_>

I actually think the reaction fans have towards this guy, shows a larger problem with the game industry. People (consumers) are willing to accept anything from these game companies. Regardless if they back out on promises or what they advertised, they (consumers) just take it. And they keep buying products without standing up for themselves.

Then they wonder why these companies keep lying again and again. When the consumer is no longer responsible, the companies will keep walking over them.

You guys do know that YOU pay them. They only exist because you fund them. You aren't mindless drones that have to accept bad business. 

Modifié par Linus108, 18 mars 2012 - 11:07 .

[ThePrestige10]

pharsti wrote...

Seriously, this again, stop making the guy look like a madman, he bought a product, hes unhappy with it, its his right to file a complaint.

You dont agree, dont file one, but just look at what he did, there is logic there, which is more than can be said with the ending btw >_>

This.

[Legendaryred]

Linus108 wrote...

Legendaryred wrote...

I filed an FTC complaint last week about my broom, mmhmm.

If the broom advertised a laser beam, and you bought it under the belief it would have a laser as advertised, you would be well within your rights if it didn't have a damn laser.

[sirstikay69]

At least non of us got caught masturbating in public right?

[Rain Bringer6]

You know, that guy could have been claiming he made a FTC complaint, when in reality it wasn't something he did, or they cared to accept. This is terrible journalism on GameInformer's part. There's no source other than this forum. I wouldn't say that's rock solid.

[sirstikay69]

Rain Bringer6 wrote...

You know, that guy could have been claiming he made a FTC complaint, when in reality it wasn't something he did, or they cared to accept. This is terrible journalism on GameInformer's part. There's no source other than this forum. I wouldn't say that's rock solid.

He did, he posted a thread talking about him doing it.

[TheSpaceHamster]

 Someone posted this earlier...but here it is again, for impact:

About the Federal Trade Commission Our Mission "To prevent business practices that are anticompetitive or deceptive or unfair to consumers; to enhance informed consumer choice and public understanding of the competitive process; and to accomplish this without unduly burdening legitimate business activity."


That's it - the sole reason for existing.

Whomever filed a complaint with them, is doing right by their taxpayer dollars - making use.  The Gaming industry is huge in the CONUS, you think this is the first time FTC has been potentially involved in a video game?

Modifié par TheSpaceHamster, 18 mars 2012 - 11:13 .

[General User]

The complaints about ME3 simply do not rise to the level of being worthy of notice by Federal authorities. Filing this type of complaint is unnecessary and completely irresponsible.

[longtimecoming00]

Breaking news: consumer files complaint with FTC

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[Rain Bringer6]

sirstikay69 wrote...

Rain Bringer6 wrote...

You know, that guy could have been claiming he made a FTC complaint, when in reality it wasn't something he did, or they cared to accept. This is terrible journalism on GameInformer's part. There's no source other than this forum. I wouldn't say that's rock solid.

He did, he posted a thread talking about him doing it.

I read it. The guy couldn't even spell "something" right in his opening post.