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[Tritium315]

You know what they say, go big or go home.

[wulf3n]

Lankist wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

General User wrote...
He did not buy a carton of milk and he did not find a maggot.  He bought a video game and did not like the plot.

 

No, he bought a carton of chocolate milk, that contained regular milk? is that not grounds for a complaint?

No.

really? you don't think people are entitled to what the payed for?

[KingDan97]

wulf3n wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...
You're a war negotiation with the leader a neighboring country, it doesn't do you any favors for your guards to begin brandishing their weapons as soon as the other leader starts giving way.

What this person is doing isn't agressive in any way! in fact it's what mature people do to resolve thier issues with big comapny. 

KingDan97 wrote... 
This one person could possibly spin Bioware from considering us to be concerned fans to those who are entirely impossible to please.

 

You think that little of bioware that 1 person filing a complaint with the ftc will change their mind about you, compared to the 1000's of people verbally abusing them via facebook and twitter?

KingDan97 wrote... 
He's basically just put a deadline on this whole movement if Bioware thinks this is a widespread idea because he just claimed that in 30 days it won't matter what they do because he(and if we don't renounce him we) will just get rid of the game.

That's how it detracts from the respectable image.

again you think that little of bioware?

I think that little of EA, who in case you haven't noticed own Bioware and control their budgets in a very specific sense. He took it upon himself to try and penalize EA because of less than 5 minutes of a game that arguably could last over 40 hours. This will never be looked at seriously by the FTC and will only serve to tarnish the opinions surrounding the movement(as it quite clearly has considering even news sources that previously offered a positive spin on us are now putting the entire thing off as unjustified. 

He has already damaged the movement in the eyes of the public, which may have well been the only reason Bioware even cared in the first place, regardless of intentions he's hurt the cause and therefore shouldn't be welcomed as part of it.

[Sevorast]

General User wrote...

ek5000 wrote...

BioWare is guilty of false advertising, there are numerous examples of this, there is an entire thread about those "broken promises" on these forums.

As a paying customer, the guy has every right to voice his complains, and is going through the proper channels to do so.

If he had bought a carton of milk and found a maggot inside, no one, press included, would call him an idiot for complaining about it.

Game companies just haven't been tested by the consumers yet, they keep getting away with a lot of shady stunts.

He did not buy a carton of milk and he did not find a maggot.  He bought a video game and did not like the plot.

And he is most certainly not going through the proper channels.  He is wasting the time of an agency meant to protect consumers from fraud.

Finding a maggot in your milk is not fraud it is a health department issue, a sanitation issue or something to be investigated by the FDA or other food policing agency.

What happened here is more like seeing a comercial for milk, going and buying said carton of milk based on the comercial, and then returning home to find the carton contains orange juice.

[dyeowart]

He's actually got a point - a lot of the linked quotes are provably untrue.  This is pretty much the definition of false advertising and the FTC is the appopriate body here - what's with the flamefest?

[Lankist]

wulf3n wrote...

Lankist wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

General User wrote...
He did not buy a carton of milk and he did not find a maggot.  He bought a video game and did not like the plot.

 

No, he bought a carton of chocolate milk, that contained regular milk? is that not grounds for a complaint?

No.

really? you don't think people are entitled to what the payed for?

I think you aren't exactly aware of what the Federal Trade Commission does with its time.

They prevent monopolies and anti-competitive business practices, and they typically spend their time overseeing mergers and acquisitions of large corporate entities (for instance, they most assuredly oversaw the acquisition of Bioware by Electronic Arts).

They are not the national suggestion box.

Also Bioware Edmonton is in Canada.

Modifié par Lankist, 19 mars 2012 - 12:27 .

[forthary]

I will laugh so hard if anything comes out of this.

"Oh look, I got 3 cents from the lawsuit that the FTC filed against Bioware for Mass Effect 3! Woo-hoo!"

[General User]

wulf3n wrote...
the lead director saying the endings will not be just A, B or C, is not an off-hand comment, it is a direct statement about the content of the game.

And technically the endings aren't restricted to A, B, or C.  Not only that , but since so much of the ending is simply left
unexplained, one could argue that there are as many endings as their are
player.  If the distinctions between the three primary catagories are not distinct enough for someone's taste then that is grounds for no longer purchasing EA/Bioware products or possibly a BBB complaint, not the FTC.

wulf3n wrote...
what we're arguing is not subjective.  wether or not you like the ending is not the argument, the fact that the ending boils down to a trinary choice is the problem.

On the contray the dgree to wich ME3 fulfilled expectaions is entirely subjective.

[FoxShadowblade]

Not entirely sure why he would file it at the FTC.. But oh well.

And those of you critisizing the media over publishing this, quit it. The article isn't even biased in the slightest, and it makes us look like the rabid fans people vlaim us to be

[Erethrian]

Yeah, this guy went too far. We need to keep calm. I know, the endings are not what ME deserve, but doing this... we won't get the right ones.

[wulf3n]

KingDan97 wrote...
He has already damaged the movement in the eyes of the public, which may have well been the only reason Bioware even cared in the first place, regardless of intentions he's hurt the cause and therefore shouldn't be welcomed as part of it.

The movement was already damaged in the eyes of the public you only seem to care about, by attacking someones "rights" your damaging the movement in the eyes of the public who originally agreed with you! 

[KingDan97]

loungeshep wrote...

Every movement has it's radical extremists, even in the gaming world.

And as in the real world the extremists are the ones who taint the view for everyone else. Think about how many people were afraid of muslims or people of visual arab descent after 9/11. Now everytime they see someone defending the cause of changing the ending they will immediately connect it to this.

[Chuloos]

Spectre 117 wrote...

 Seriously as if we didn't needed more backlash and hatred from the gaming community, someone has filed a complaint with the FTC due to ME3's ending. While I have been very vocal with my discontent of the game's ending, I have to say that is going a little overboard.

For days, I been trying to clean our group's image back in Gameinformer but now this is has put the nail in our coffin. Even I have to admit that going with the FTC is overreacting. Here check the link and see for youself how everyone is bashing everyone because of one person's actions. 

http://www.gameinfor...to-the-ftc.aspx 

Seriously, hold the line but don't go that far !

Humm.. well.. I personally applaud the guy for having the balls to do that..  and I personally feel the guy was an idiot for not thinking it through..  

Whether we like what he did or not.. it does show Bioware/EA that what they did was pretty serious.   If you haven't read these yet.. read them..

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10056886/1#10056886

As a result of that compilation of statements, implied contract with the comsumer, etc. and what they actually delivered.. Bioware/EA could actually be in some deep doo doo.  Someone, somewhere, will file suit.. I am willing to bet on it.  That, of course, won't get us what we want... but it certainly will make all game developers sit up and think twice before they screw consumers again.

On the other hand... it could actually force Bioware/EA to live up to those statments.. and implement the diversity and richness they so wholeheartedly promised.

I don't  know.. but either way... I am still holding the line.

No ME3 for me till they fix it.

[ek5000]

General User wrote...

He did not buy a carton of milk and he did not find a maggot.  He bought a video game and did not like the plot.

And he is most certainly not going through the proper channels.  He is wasting the time of an agency meant to protect consumers from fraud.

He bought a video game and found the content completely opposite of what was advertised - he is a paying customer and has the right to express his complaints if he feels he has been wronged.

My analogy fits.

Modifié par ek5000, 19 mars 2012 - 12:29 .

[Spectre 117]

FoxShadowblade wrote...

Not entirely sure why he would file it at the FTC.. But oh well.

And those of you critisizing the media over publishing this, quit it. The article isn't even biased in the slightest, and it makes us look like the rabid fans people vlaim us to be

The original source is definetly biased, take a look at this. 
http://www.gamepur.c...t-3-ending.html 

[wulf3n]

General User wrote...

wulf3n wrote...
the lead director saying the endings will not be just A, B or C, is not an off-hand comment, it is a direct statement about the content of the game.

And technically the endings aren't restricted to A, B, or C.  Not only that , but since so much of the ending is simply left
unexplained, one could argue that there are as many endings as their are
player.  If the distinctions between the three primary catagories are not distinct enough for someone's taste then that is grounds for no longer purchasing EA/Bioware products or possibly a BBB complaint, not the FTC.

wulf3n wrote...
what we're arguing is not subjective.  wether or not you like the ending is not the argument, the fact that the ending boils down to a trinary choice is the problem.

On the contray the dgree to wich ME3 fulfilled expectaions is entirely subjective.

Are we playing the same game?

was the ending not a result of a trinary choice?

were we not told by the Lead Director that the ending would not be a result of a trinary choice?

Modifié par wulf3n, 19 mars 2012 - 12:31 .

[Ashilana]

Lankist wrote...
I don't think you understand what the FTC does.

They advertised on television and made false claims about their product.  They shipped the product across state lines after making false claims about their product.  Both are within the realm of the FTC.

[General User]

wulf3n wrote...

Lankist wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

General User wrote...
He did not buy a carton of milk and he did not find a maggot.  He bought a video game and did not like the plot.

 

No, he bought a carton of chocolate milk, that contained regular milk? is that not grounds for a complaint?

No.

really? you don't think people are entitled to what the payed for?

It's grounds for going back to the store and getting a refund.  Nothing more.  Nothing less. 

Well... maybe just store credit or an exchange but you know what I mean; not a federal complaint.

[KingDan97]

wulf3n wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...
He has already damaged the movement in the eyes of the public, which may have well been the only reason Bioware even cared in the first place, regardless of intentions he's hurt the cause and therefore shouldn't be welcomed as part of it.

The movement was already damaged in the eyes of the public you only seem to care about, by attacking someones "rights" your damaging the movement in the eyes of the public who originally agreed with you! 

The movement as it was actually held pity from those who had completed the game by and large. The only people who actively opposed the idea were the press and those who didn't like the ending of a TV show. Now even those who've completed the game will believe that we're either going to get our ending or see Bioware destroyed for not.

[Lankist]

wulf3n wrote...

General User wrote...

wulf3n wrote...
the lead director saying the endings will not be just A, B or C, is not an off-hand comment, it is a direct statement about the content of the game.

And technically the endings aren't restricted to A, B, or C.  Not only that , but since so much of the ending is simply left
unexplained, one could argue that there are as many endings as their are
player.  If the distinctions between the three primary catagories are not distinct enough for someone's taste then that is grounds for no longer purchasing EA/Bioware products or possibly a BBB complaint, not the FTC.

wulf3n wrote...
what we're arguing is not subjective.  wether or not you like the ending is not the argument, the fact that the ending boils down to a trinary choice is the problem.

On the contray the dgree to wich ME3 fulfilled expectaions is entirely subjective.

Are we playing the same game?

was the ending not a result of a trinary choice?

were we not told by the Lead Director that the ending would be a result of a trinary choice?

Interviews taken during a point in which a product is still being developed and is subject to change are not subject to rigid truth-in-advertising regulations.

[xeNNN]

to be honest its not as much of a big deal as some people or some media people think.... yeah it was over the top but the thing is millions of people file FTC claims every year.... and for a lot less as well, the only reason the media jumped on it is because hes "part of our movement" so yeah actions of one damage many. lol

doesn't mean i agreed with what he did though........ though not a big deal... hes just given the rest of the media and other people a reason to bash us which is retarded to be honest.

[Lankist]

Ashilana wrote...

Lankist wrote...
I don't think you understand what the FTC does.

They advertised on television and made false claims about their product.  They shipped the product across state lines after making false claims about their product.  Both are within the realm of the FTC.

The claims are not directly false. They meet all of the critera advertised, albeit poorly. The FTC does not field those sorts of complaints.

Truth-in-advertising laws are meant to stop snake-oil salesmen, not hyperbolic advertisers.


I'm telling you guys, you do NOT want to go in a litigious direction. You want Bioware to be opening its doors and listening. If you threaten legal action, they are going to be locking and barring those doors under the advisement of their legal department and you will be quite out of luck.

Taking this road will be the death-knell for any hope of getting some sort of altered product, and it will be for absolutely nothing, because there is no legitimate legal basis. Do not do this.

Modifié par Lankist, 19 mars 2012 - 12:34 .

[DemGeth]

lol this again.


You guys do yourselves a disservice.

[wulf3n]

General User wrote...
It's grounds for going back to the store and getting a refund.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.  

Well... maybe just store credit or an exchange but you know what I mean; not a federal complaint.

Agreed, but I think things get a little bit more fussy when you include time spent etc. which is why I don't disagree with taking it to the FTC in pirinciple as that's the only way things like this will become law instead of speculation

[General User]

ek5000 wrote...

General User wrote...

He did not buy a carton of milk and he did not find a maggot.  He bought a video game and did not like the plot.

And he is most certainly not going through the proper channels.  He is wasting the time of an agency meant to protect consumers from fraud.

He bought a video game and found the content completely opposite of what was advertised - he is a paying customer and has the right to express his complaints if he feels he has been wronged.

My analogy fits.

No it doesn't.  Unsanitary food is objectively verifiable, not a subjective matter of opinion or taste (no pun intended).

Also your analogy likens the ending of ME3 to a maggot.   A gross insult to maggots everywhere.

Modifié par General User, 19 mars 2012 - 12:36 .