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[MissMaster_2]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

The fact that he actually cares about winning and being right is funny.

You guys...come on.

[Belevorn]

 Not that it means too much with so many opinions, but I think ME3's endings were not bad at all. Everyone, of course, has a different opinion about how the trilogy should have finished (even me, though as I said I don't dislike the endings), but to the OP... if people want a different ending for them and Bioware has enough people to create a DLC with a different ending and gain profit from it, why not?

I just feel sad considering that Mass Effect 3 will be the end of the franchise. There was so much detail in the setting that is a shame that Bioware won't keep working on new Mass Effect titles. If I have to "hold the line" for something, I will for keeping this franchise alive, not for different endings. 

Just my 2 cents :innocent:

[AgitatedLemon]

Belevorn wrote...

 Not that it means too much with so many opinions, but I think ME3's endings were not bad at all. Everyone, of course, has a different opinion about how the trilogy should have finished (even me, though as I said I don't dislike the endings), but to the OP... if people want a different ending for them and Bioware has enough people to create a DLC with a different ending and gain profit from it, why not?

I just feel sad considering that Mass Effect 3 will be the end of the franchise. There was so much detail in the setting that is a shame that Bioware won't keep working on new Mass Effect titles. If I have to "hold the line" for something, I will for keeping this franchise alive, not for different endings. 

Just my 2 cents :innocent:

There are a number of objective flaws in the endings. All 3 of them.

[FatalX7.0]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

The fact that he actually cares about winning and being right is funny.

You guys...come on.

What? I think it's funny.

[Siegdrifa]

Captian Cornhole wrote...

Besides making moar money, gimme a reason why. A reason why besides saying it "sucked" cause that is a matter of preference, and preferences are not fact.

Company and corporation have 1 and ONLY 1 goal :   make money.
It's an economical definition.
If they stop making profite, they can't do what they please (even for art sake), unless they are willing to work for free on make their games ... or look for alternative money income to produce the project.

Because in the end, it is their franchise and they can do what they want with it. The haters aren't entitled to anything, nor should they recieve one based off the childish ways they are acting. It is sad to see a group of people so butthurt over a videogame. Seriously what ever happened to getting a job and moving out of mother's basement.

Read what "those people" post, lot of them already have job, are married, and can express their opinion with valid point (that you don't have to agree with by the way) rather then a cliché "it's bad because i don't like and i don't like because it's bad   uuuurrrgh!".

Of course I speak in broad generalizations, but that said Bioware owes you nothing.

Speaking about generalisation when you get the wrong idea from some isolated personne who rage rather then talk is hardly of a good perspective.

Bioware are legit to not change the ending (like it is clearly stated on the petition and the outcome), but Bioware are able to achive their own project because they know they have numerous fans willing to support their great work; if they take the risk to loose a part of it, it's mean it is potentialy less supporter customer for the next product (less preorder would be a firt sign), no company wouldn't care about what is at stake, they will either test it with future dlc and check if the loss is true or big enough but if it turn to be true, it would be too late to mitigate the potential market lost.
Or they will try to mitigate sooner in order to assure the succes of the coming dlc and keep most of the fan.

Fact is, part of their fan (lets not state they are a majority or minority) in a noticable amount will be more cautious when investing money on the next Bioware product as they don't want to get burned twice.

May be you care only about "art", but Bioware have to care about paying the salary of their staff. It's a human reality, even for a "butthurt" videogame.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 19 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[Belevorn]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

There are a number of objective flaws in the endings. All 3 of them.

Agreed, and I agree also with those who ask for a new ending, though I keep saying that the actual ones are not "bad" ones. They're... strange, let you wondering what the hell is going to happen next, but they're not bad ones. I liked them, actually 

[MissMaster_2]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

The fact that he actually cares about winning and being right is funny.

You guys...come on.

What? I think it's funny.

The fact that you all are having a hard time debating like adults is sad.

[Farbautisonn]

Siegdrifa wrote.../snip

-Brava. Da capo. ! :happy:

[AgitatedLemon]

Belevorn wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

There are a number of objective flaws in the endings. All 3 of them.

Agreed, and I agree also with those who ask for a new ending, though I keep saying that the actual ones are not "bad" ones. They're... strange, let you wondering what the hell is going to happen next, but they're not bad ones. I liked them, actually 

When is an objective flaw in a story-based medium (IE plothole) not bad?

Did Shepard exterminate 4/5 the galaxy by blowing up the relays? Did Joker just WHOOSH! and pick up your crew (Even though you see him and the Normandy fighting)? What was he doing next to the Charon relay? Did he just run away from the fight?

[nikola8]

Xilizhra wrote...

Um, why? Why are you even participating in this? If you like the ending, you have every reason to not buy whatever fixing of it they do. You have no stake in this whatsoever, unless you're a plant trying to divide and conquer.

Any "fixing" is taking time away from them developing other DLC.  An ending "fix" won't be easy, cheap, or quick.  It would eat up the studio's time and leave little time for other DLC.  So we all have a stake in this.  Additionally, it is their creative work, they can end it how they want.  It is not fact that they didn't live up to their promises- it is opinion.

There are about 70,000 fans that are very upset about the ending to the point of calling for change.  The game has sold over a million copies.  Most of the people who bought the game may or may not have liked the ending, but they don't care as much as the minority who is turning activist, hitting the web and even filing complaints with the FTC and BBB.  Regular mission DLC would sell quite well considering, if you take away the activists on both sides of the debate, you still have 8-900,000 people who really aren't losing sleep over this, regardless of their thoughts on the ending.  For this mainstream group, regular mission DLC would sell much more successfully.

[AgitatedLemon]

nikola8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Um, why? Why are you even participating in this? If you like the ending, you have every reason to not buy whatever fixing of it they do. You have no stake in this whatsoever, unless you're a plant trying to divide and conquer.

Any "fixing" is taking time away from them developing other DLC.  An ending "fix" won't be easy, cheap, or quick.  It would eat up the studio's time and leave little time for other DLC.  So we all have a stake in this.  Additionally, it is their creative work, they can end it how they want.  It is not fact that they didn't live up to their promises- it is opinion.

People seem to have this odd delusion that creating something as simple as a text epilogue or animating a cutscene takes hundreds of millions of dollars in resources and years of production time.

[Farbautisonn]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

People seem to have this odd delusion that creating something as simple as a text epilogue or animating a cutscene takes hundreds of millions of dollars in resources and years of production time.

-It does! And... and... then the devs eat more doughnuts... and.. then they get diabetes two! and then... then they run over a dog! And its ALL YOUR FAULT for wanting a new ending!

[nikola8]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

nikola8 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Um, why? Why are you even participating in this? If you like the ending, you have every reason to not buy whatever fixing of it they do. You have no stake in this whatsoever, unless you're a plant trying to divide and conquer.

Any "fixing" is taking time away from them developing other DLC.  An ending "fix" won't be easy, cheap, or quick.  It would eat up the studio's time and leave little time for other DLC.  So we all have a stake in this.  Additionally, it is their creative work, they can end it how they want.  It is not fact that they didn't live up to their promises- it is opinion.

People seem to have this odd delusion that creating something as simple as a text epilogue or animating a cutscene takes hundreds of millions of dollars in resources and years of production time.

As a standalone cutscene no, it doesn't take time.  But integrating it into the existing game when you didn't plan on adding new endings can introduce a plethora of bugs, which would then all have to be worked out before it was released.  Not to mention all of the coding to create an ending that factors in everyone's decisions that isn't hated like this ending.  No, people have this "odd delusion" that DLC like they are requesting is like the simple wave of a magic wand, when in reality it would take a lot of time.  If Bioware caved and decided to "fix" the endings, it would take at least a year of development time, and probably closer to two years.

[_Mr vas normandy]

Farbautisonn wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

People seem to have this odd delusion that creating something as simple as a text epilogue or animating a cutscene takes hundreds of millions of dollars in resources and years of production time.

-It does! And... and... then the devs eat more doughnuts... and.. then they get diabetes two! and then... then they run over a dog! And its ALL YOUR FAULT for wanting a new ending!

Sounds like you know the process very well...too well...

[Farbautisonn]

Mr vas normandy wrote...
Sounds like you know the process very well...too well...

-Got a couple of mates working on "Hitman: Absolution" at the moment. Long hours, lots of smokes and coffee and crap  food. But decent salery for doing what they love to do and a product that hasnt bummed out yet with the fans. 

And oh. You have to run over a dog to become a lead programmer here.

[AgitatedLemon]

nikola8 wrote...

If Bioware caved and decided to "fix" the endings, it would take at least a year of development time, and probably closer to two years.

And I almost began to take you seriously.

Fixing the endings (Which don't have any impact on anything done prior) wouldn't take 2 years (Which is how long it took to make the entirety of the game + From Ashes)

Development requires time and energy and resources, but you aren't breaking your legs and working 95 hours a week busting your back to satisfy people.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 19 mars 2012 - 01:36 .

[Tirigon]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...
The majority of there loyal fans are on this site, and the majority of them want change

BSN is the minority, not the majority.

The minority of the buyers, but the majority of the fans.

Minority of the fans as well. Not everyone comes here, you know.

As a matter of fact, no. I dont think you qualify as fan if you cant be bothered to even visit the official forum at least when a new game is being discussed.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Why?
-Parangon Bioware: the more choices the merrier the players.
-Renegade Bioware: Lots of money to do on ending DLC. The better way would be to give one more ending per DLC instead of an ending only DLC, so people will buy even the DLC they don't care about. $$$

Modifié par Kakita Tatsumaru, 19 mars 2012 - 02:29 .

[WastelanderTim]

Why shouldn't they? If the demand for new alt endings is there they will make new ending via dlc, will it be canon? probably not but i don't think people who want new endings will care.

[Mercedes-Benz]

Because if they don't, a lot of people won't buy their games anymore.

[haze26]

Because its a good business decision and would give them back a lot of fan support.

[thunderhawk862002]

Erroneous topic title. Bioware has no choice in the matter. EA decides what Bioware does/doesn't do. Even if Bioware would want to it's EA's decision on the matter. It's the price you pay when you give up independence for greater cash reserves.

[gmboy902]

If I buy an apple from a farm and it has a nasty piece of rot near the core, has the farmer not ripped me off? This "artistic freedom" garbage is bull. BioWare is equal to us, because we paid them money and they gave us a product - with a bad, bad flaw.

So, here's your reasons

1) Money - I will pay for an ending DLC

2) Money - People will lose faith in BioWare if they don't fix this issue. Many already have. Most are already wary of Dragon Age 3 given how the second one was so disappointing, they're effectively closing the coffin lid on that if they don't fix the ending.

3) Money - Who is going to buy single player DLC unless the ending is good? Why should I worry about retaking Omega if it ends up abandoned with all of its shady mercs stranded on Earth anyways?