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[Vaktathi]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Captian Cornhole wrote...

Dur it's called advertising, not promises, for a reason. That said you can't prove what they said was true or not. Clearly you and many other are taking things out of context deliberatly.

For example sparing the Rachni was a big help in the war assets department, someone else might think otherwise. You can't prove that the Rachni were or were'nt a big help in the courtroom, it's a matter of opinion.

Also early on they said there was going to be a trial, later it was cut. Where they breaking a promise there?

Also,I remember someone from BioWare once saying something like this: "everything you see or hear is a subject to change. Nothing is final until the game ships".

which is silly because the final build is sent weeks before the release date, it takes quite a while for them to print, box, and ship everything, and major changes were not going to happen in the weeks before even that. Everything was pretty much finished by the time many of these statements were given. 

[HenchxNarf]

Logan Cloud wrote...

You guys always complain about Bioware doing things "businessy," but then you defend your opinion by saying "they need to listen to us if they want repeated business."

So what is it? Should Bioware make good business decisions or not? I love how you change your words around to suit your case. Even when it obviously contradicts what you were saying before.

They don't know what they want, honestly.

[Captian Cornhole]

Taavo wrote...

Captian Cornhole wrote...

Taavo wrote...

Seboist wrote...

These entitled brats would cause a terrible precedent if they succeeded. This would lead to devs compromising the integrity of their stories or worse yet, deliberately scam their fanbase with "ending dlc".

Name calling? Immature post is immature.

Well it's the truth. Since when was telling the truth inmature?  Sandra Fluke is a ****, and their isn't a good reason Rush should say otherwise. And yes I just made that comparison.

Because it isn't the truth. It's a generalization to say that everyone who wants a new ending is an "entitled brat." Generalizing a bunch of people you don't know and being unable to argue in a civil manner is immature.

Point out where I said "everyone", please and thankyou.

[Ghost Warrior]

HenchxNarf wrote...

They don't know what they want, honestly.

Of course they don't. They want "better" ending. What if they find next one even worse? Impossible? Nothing is impossible.

[HenchxNarf]

Logan Cloud wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Logan Cloud wrote...

You guys always complain about Bioware doing things "businessy," but then you defend your opinion by saying "they need to listen to us if they want repeated business."

So what is it? Should Bioware make good business decisions or not? I love how you change your words around to suit your case. Even when it obviously contradicts what you were saying before.

They don't know what they want, honestly.

I beleive you're intelligent for saying so.

Thank you.

[HenchxNarf]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

They don't know what they want, honestly.

Of course they don't. They want "better" ending. What if they find next one even worse? Impossible? Nothing is impossible.

Even if they do get a new ending, which I'm pretty sure they won't. It won't be good enough and they'll demand more and more for everything BW puts out because they know they have sway. Which is why BW won't do anything. Because the fans will think they're entitled to anything they want if they complain loud enough.

[Deflagratio]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

They don't know what they want, honestly.

Of course they don't. They want "better" ending. What if they find next one even worse? Impossible? Nothing is impossible.

Better ending? In terms of quality and writing, absolutely. In terms of actual outcome? Not necessarily.

You are probably too dense to even take a moment to see the very consistent list of complaints being compiled on youtube and google, but the game's ending fundamentally violates the Mass Effect universe in so many ways, it had to be outsourced to a different team, or Mac Walters had a massive brain anurism while writing it.

[aberdash]

HenchxNarf wrote...

They don't know what they want, honestly.

Many ideas and theories have been posted around the internet. Saying they dont know what they want is no more true the 100th time than it was the first. It is also not our job to write biowares endings.

[Ghost Warrior]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Because the fans will think they're entitled to anything they want if they complain loud enough.

Exactly. I like you.

[Vaktathi]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

They don't know what they want, honestly.

Of course they don't. They want "better" ending. What if they find next one even worse? Impossible? Nothing is impossible.

It's not about it being "better" or not. It's about an ending that makes sense. The ending we have doesn't make sense. It's a literal copy-paste of the ending of a 12 year old game. The ending feels like it doesn't belong, like it was written by an entirely different team, because it *was*. 

It's the ending to DeusEx reskinned. Same exact choices. Exact. Same. Three. Choices. Same Red/Blue/Green color options. 


Most people don't care too much about the specifics of the ending. They want one that doesn't come out of nowhere in the last 5 minutes, that fits the game universe, and that actually brings some sort of closure to the story. The current ending doesn't do that.

Sure, it could be worse, that's always a possibility. Can't hurt to try however.

EDIT: holy crap that turned into a weird circle-jerk fast up there....

Modifié par Vaktathi, 18 mars 2012 - 11:18 .

[Taavo]

Captian Cornhole wrote...

Taavo wrote...

Captian Cornhole wrote...

Taavo wrote...

Seboist wrote...

These entitled brats would cause a terrible precedent if they succeeded. This would lead to devs compromising the integrity of their stories or worse yet, deliberately scam their fanbase with "ending dlc".

Name calling? Immature post is immature.

Well it's the truth. Since when was telling the truth inmature?  Sandra Fluke is a ****, and their isn't a good reason Rush should say otherwise. And yes I just made that comparison.

Because it isn't the truth. It's a generalization to say that everyone who wants a new ending is an "entitled brat." Generalizing a bunch of people you don't know and being unable to argue in a civil manner is immature.

Point out where I said "everyone", please and thankyou.

If you aren't talking about everyone then who are you talking about? Because the majority of the people I see who want a new ending are being very civil about it. There are very few people I've seen around here actually demanding a new ending. And name calling is immature regardless of the situation anyway. It's called being the bigger person.

[BatarianBob]

Captian Cornhole wrote...

Besides making moar money, gimme a reason why. A reason why besides saying it "sucked" cause that is a matter of preference, and preferences are not fact.

That it sucked is opinion.  That it was incoherent and made no sense is fact.

[Ghost Warrior]

Deflagratio wrote...

You are probably too dense to even take a moment to see the very consistent list of complaints being compiled on youtube and google, but the game's ending fundamentally violates the Mass Effect universe in so many ways

I watched several videos,saw every ending. I don't like them. Others are right to dislike them too. But does not give me or anyone else the right to demand alternate DLC like this,especially free one.

[HenchxNarf]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Deflagratio wrote...

You are probably too dense to even take a moment to see the very consistent list of complaints being compiled on youtube and google, but the game's ending fundamentally violates the Mass Effect universe in so many ways

I watched several videos,saw every ending. I don't like them. Others are right to dislike them too. But does not give me or anyone else the right to demand alternate DLC like this,especially free one.

Honestly, I hope they chage them out the wazoo if they do make it. It's ridiculous to demand it for free. It takes a lot of money and time to make dlc. I saw on a documentary that it takes on average two months to change ten seconds of animation in a video game.

[Deflagratio]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Deflagratio wrote...

You are probably too dense to even take a moment to see the very consistent list of complaints being compiled on youtube and google, but the game's ending fundamentally violates the Mass Effect universe in so many ways

I watched several videos,saw every ending. I don't like them. Others are right to dislike them too. But does not give me or anyone else the right to demand alternate DLC like this,especially free one.

But then, why would you agree with something as obviously ludicrous as "We don't know what we want". It's listed right there.

Yes, there are some outliers who feel entitled to have that perfect "Beach party paradise" ending, but there's also outliers on the other end who feel we are "Idiot brats who feel entitled to everything".

I think both of those are dead wrong.

HenchxNarf wrote...


Honestly, I hope they chage them out the wazoo if they do
make it. It's ridiculous to demand it for free. It takes a lot of money
and time to make dlc. I saw on a documentary that it takes on average
two months to change ten seconds of animation in a video game.

I never said it should be free. I know just how difficult game development is, especially the AAA market. I've never been an "EA is evil" person, I've always given the benefit of the doubt, because the market evolves. I'd glady pay for DLC that "Patches" The ending. It's not like Mass Effect 3 is a terrible game, it's worth expanding on. But as long as I feel that it doesn't matter, I won't bother playing/paying for it.

My best defense for "It should be free DLC" is the whole Javik fiasco. When they outright lied that From Ashes wasn't already on the disc (Code hacks from PC prove this), it was... disappointing. But that's another matter entirely, and I really don't even care.

Modifié par Deflagratio, 18 mars 2012 - 11:26 .

[Farbautisonn]

Ghost Warrior wrote...
I watched several videos,saw every ending. I don't like them. Others are right to dislike them too. But does not give me or anyone else the right to demand alternate DLC like this,especially free one.

-Sure it does. You have a right to demand as much as you want. If someone wants to supply, then happy happy. "Supply demand" ring a bell? 

They can demand as much as they want, and its up to Bioware to decide if they want to supply said demand. If bioware then does not want to supply, these people are free to take their business elsewhere. Whats the big deal? 

[HenchxNarf]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Taranatar9 wrote...

Captian Cornhole wrote...

Besides making moar money, gimme a reason why. A reason why besides saying it "sucked" cause that is a matter of preference, and preferences are not fact.

That it sucked is opinion.  That it was incoherent and made no sense is fact.

Still an opininon. I thought the ending left enough unanswered to give it a sense of mystery and wonder. I also think that the ending was very poetic. Since I have a different view than yours, and there's no way to prove your claim, it is (in fact) an opinion.

I LIKE YOU! <3

[Captian Cornhole]

Taavo wrote...

Captian Cornhole wrote...

Taavo wrote...

Captian Cornhole wrote...

Taavo wrote...

Seboist wrote...

These entitled brats would cause a terrible precedent if they succeeded. This would lead to devs compromising the integrity of their stories or worse yet, deliberately scam their fanbase with "ending dlc".

Name calling? Immature post is immature.

Well it's the truth. Since when was telling the truth inmature?  Sandra Fluke is a ****, and their isn't a good reason Rush should say otherwise. And yes I just made that comparison.

Because it isn't the truth. It's a generalization to say that everyone who wants a new ending is an "entitled brat." Generalizing a bunch of people you don't know and being unable to argue in a civil manner is immature.

Point out where I said "everyone", please and thankyou.

If you aren't talking about everyone then who are you talking about? Because the majority of the people I see who want a new ending are being very civil about it. There are very few people I've seen around here actually demanding a new ending. And name calling is immature regardless of the situation anyway. It's called being the bigger person.

That's what she said. Also take off the beer goggles.

Modifié par Captian Cornhole, 18 mars 2012 - 11:25 .

[Vaktathi]

HenchxNarf wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

Deflagratio wrote...

You are probably too dense to even take a moment to see the very consistent list of complaints being compiled on youtube and google, but the game's ending fundamentally violates the Mass Effect universe in so many ways

I watched several videos,saw every ending. I don't like them. Others are right to dislike them too. But does not give me or anyone else the right to demand alternate DLC like this,especially free one.

Honestly, I hope they chage them out the wazoo if they do make it. It's ridiculous to demand it for free. It takes a lot of money and time to make dlc. I saw on a documentary that it takes on average two months to change ten seconds of animation in a video game.

They failed to deliver. We already paid, and can't get our money back. It's up to them to live up to their end of the bargain. 

Same thing at my job. If I get paid upfront for something and it doesn't meet expectations, I get to go back and work on it until it does even if I start losing money on it. It's my fault at that point. Just as this is on Bioware. 

Most people will pay for a new ending DLC if it comes to that. It'll just be the last thing a lot of them pay for from Bioware is all. 

Modifié par Vaktathi, 18 mars 2012 - 11:25 .