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Why should Bioware make a ending DLC?
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:26
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Because their Reputation and because the Amount of "Loyal" fans they have depend on it.
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That's what she said. Also take off the beer goggles.
oh, i saw what you did there, anyway troll you should stop being such a baby about it
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:28
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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Because their Reputation and because the Amount of "Loyal" fans they have depend on it.
They have plenty of loyal fans, they don't need to change this, and they won't because it will give the entitled more reason to demand more stuff they don't deserve.
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Besides making moar money, gimme a reason why. A reason why besides saying it "sucked" cause that is a matter of preference, and preferences are not fact.
That it sucked is opinion. That it was incoherent and made no sense is fact.
Still an opininon. I thought the ending left enough unanswered to give it a sense of mystery and wonder. I also think that the ending was very poetic. Since I have a different view than yours, and there's no way to prove your claim, it is (in fact) an opinion.
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MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Because their Reputation and because the Amount of "Loyal" fans they have depend on it.
They have plenty of loyal fans, they don't need to change this, and they won't because it will give the entitled more reason to demand more stuff they don't deserve.
The majority of there loyal fans are on this site, and the majority of them want change
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:30
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I'd rather they redo the entire game using the dark-energy plot.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:30
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Still looking at videogames as vacuum cleaners,Farb? Still not seeing the artistic side.Farbautisonn wrote...
-Sure it does. You have a right to demand as much as you want. If someone wants to supply, then happy happy. "Supply demand" ring a bell?
They can demand as much as they want, and its up to Bioware to decide if they want to supply said demand. If bioware then does not want to supply, these people are free to take their business elsewhere. Whats the big deal?
Storytelling is art. Movies,literature,videogames - they are all about storytelling.
It's the artist's right to tell their story the way they want to.
And now we're going back to Mass Effect being a game of choices - but limited choices.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:31
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slyguy200 wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Because their Reputation and because the Amount of "Loyal" fans they have depend on it.
They have plenty of loyal fans, they don't need to change this, and they won't because it will give the entitled more reason to demand more stuff they don't deserve.
The majority of there loyal fans are on this site, and the majority of them want change
BSN is the minority, not the majority.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:31
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HenchxNarf wrote...
MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Because their Reputation and because the Amount of "Loyal" fans they have depend on it.
They have plenty of loyal fans, they don't need to change this, and they won't because it will give the entitled more reason to demand more stuff they don't deserve.
I kind of agree. I only want them to change the ending if they feel they should as creators. If they have any respect for the Mass Effect Series, I'm almost positive, somehwere, they feel that ending is unsatisfactory.
I don't want it to come off as an ultimatum, but if they don't change it, I just won't invest myself in Bioware stories again, because it shows just how badly they can become disconnected with their own creation.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:32
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They have plenty of loyal fans, they don't need to change this, and they won't because it will give the entitled more reason to demand more stuff they don't deserve.
-Very good. Then Bioware doesnt need the business and you wont mind us not buying DLC, turning in our ME3 products, discontinuing our TOR subscriptions and then not buying anymore Bioware products? They have your business right? That should be ample.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:32
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Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/
“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience
and outcome.”
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/
“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/
“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/
“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/
“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry
“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."
“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”
“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx
“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/
“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”
“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”
Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2
Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”
“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”
EDIT: Couple more interesting quotes I found, enjoy......or not.
Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html
Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever
before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle
for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike
Gamble.
In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's
plot, including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes".
Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html
"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"
Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/
“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”
Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2
“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And
even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to
some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending
where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things
- it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who
plays it.”
Hold The Line
http://masseffect.com/about/story/
“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience
and outcome.”
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/
“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.fina...-all-audiences/
“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/
“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/
“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry
“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."
“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”
“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx
“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/
“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”
“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”
Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2
Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”
“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”
EDIT: Couple more interesting quotes I found, enjoy......or not.
Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....in_bioware.html
Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever
before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle
for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike
Gamble.
In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's
plot, including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he said, "Yes".
Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html
"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"
Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst...active-stories/
“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”
Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computera...ly-good/?page=2
“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And
even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to
some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending
where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things
- it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who
plays it.”
Hold The Line
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#113
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:34
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Captian Cornhole wrote...
Taavo wrote...
Captian Cornhole wrote...
Taavo wrote...
Captian Cornhole wrote...
Taavo wrote...
Seboist wrote...
These entitled brats would cause a terrible precedent if they succeeded. This would lead to devs compromising the integrity of their stories or worse yet, deliberately scam their fanbase with "ending dlc".
Name calling? Immature post is immature.
Well it's the truth. Since when was telling the truth inmature? Sandra Fluke is a ****, and their isn't a good reason Rush should say otherwise. And yes I just made that comparison.
Because it isn't the truth. It's a generalization to say that everyone who wants a new ending is an "entitled brat." Generalizing a bunch of people you don't know and being unable to argue in a civil manner is immature.
Point out where I said "everyone", please and thankyou.
If you aren't talking about everyone then who are you talking about? Because the majority of the people I see who want a new ending are being very civil about it. There are very few people I've seen around here actually demanding a new ending. And name calling is immature regardless of the situation anyway. It's called being the bigger person.
That's what she said. Also take off the beer goggles.
And with that, I leave this thread.
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:35
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Still looking at videogames as vacuum cleaners,Farb? Still not seeing the artistic side.Farbautisonn wrote...
-Sure it does. You have a right to demand as much as you want. If someone wants to supply, then happy happy. "Supply demand" ring a bell?
They can demand as much as they want, and its up to Bioware to decide if they want to supply said demand. If bioware then does not want to supply, these people are free to take their business elsewhere. Whats the big deal?
Storytelling is art. Movies,literature,videogames - they are all about storytelling.
It's the artist's right to tell their story the way they want to.
And now we're going back to Mass Effect being a game of choices - but limited choices.
Art should be irrelevant but ok
either way the idea of video games as being unchangeable art is invalid because other games get
dlc to in order to please fans and you know what comes with that DLC, That terrible little thing called change...
but wait people like that change so people just go on and enjoy it, very little
people (hipsters is what they are) go WHINING about how the change ruins the
artistic vision of the game and complains how it ruins the whole experience and
how they "caved" to there fans. And WE are the artists of ME all BW did was give us the tools to make our art with.
#115
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:36
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Ghost Warrior wrote...
Still looking at videogames as vacuum cleaners,Farb? Still not seeing the artistic side.
Storytelling is art. Movies,literature,videogames - they are all about storytelling.
It's the artist's right to tell their story the way they want to.
And now we're going back to Mass Effect being a game of choices - but limited choices.
-And yet, somehow, Bioware has before retracted / revisited / copped to "inconsistencies" within a "story" they backed.
Deception.
So sure the artist can tell whatever story he likes. But if the publisher or the fans dont like it, it CAN get retracted or revisited. Bioware has its own example see?
Videogames are a commedety. So is art. Or perhaps you think that Michaelangelo and da Vinci worked for free? Or that the Medici's commissioned art and then had zero influence on how it looked?
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:37
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Farbautisonn wrote...
-And yet, somehow, Bioware has before retracted / revisited / copped to "inconsistencies" within a "story" they backed.
Deception.
So sure the artist can tell whatever story he likes. But if the publisher or the fans dont like it, it CAN get retracted or revisited. Bioware has its own example see?
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Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:39
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HenchxNarf wrote...
BSN is the minority, not the majority.slyguy200 wrote...
The majority of there loyal fans are on this site, and the majority of them want change
The minority of the buyers, but the majority of the fans.
#118
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:39
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No you silly thing,that's your role.slyguy200 wrote...
people (hipsters is what they are) go WHINING about how the change ruins the
artistic vision of the game and complains how it ruins the whole experience
I wouldn't go whining "why did you give in bioware" and say it ruins my experience. But right now,before anything has happened,I fight for the right thing. For creators' rights.
Whining is your responsibility,I would never take that away from you.
#119
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:39
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Because it's their only hope, frankly. =/
#120
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:40
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Tirigon wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
BSN is the minority, not the majority.slyguy200 wrote...
The majority of there loyal fans are on this site, and the majority of them want change
The minority of the buyers, but the majority of the fans.
Minority of the fans as well. Not everyone comes here, you know.
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True but you can learn a lot from this selection of loyal fans like what the non-loyal ones will do or what the rest will doHenchxNarf wrote...
slyguy200 wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...
Because their Reputation and because the Amount of "Loyal" fans they have depend on it.
They have plenty of loyal fans, they don't need to change this, and they won't because it will give the entitled more reason to demand more stuff they don't deserve.
The majority of there loyal fans are on this site, and the majority of them want change
BSN is the minority, not the majority.
BSN has the the fans that are MOST loyal not the most of them. and rest assured that the full scale majority does/will want the ending(s) changed, or have you forgotten what i said before.
#122
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:40
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Ghost Warrior wrote...
No you silly thing,that's your role.slyguy200 wrote...
people (hipsters is what they are) go WHINING about how the change ruins the
artistic vision of the game and complains how it ruins the whole experience
I wouldn't go whining "why did you give in bioware" and say it ruins my experience. But right now,before anything has happened,I fight for the right thing. For creators' rights.
Whining is your responsibility,I would never take that away from you.
They don't care about the creator's rights. All they care about is their own. CREATORS BE DAMNED!
Ridiculous.
#123
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:41
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HenchxNarf wrote...
Tirigon wrote...
HenchxNarf wrote...
BSN is the minority, not the majority.slyguy200 wrote...
The majority of there loyal fans are on this site, and the majority of them want change
The minority of the buyers, but the majority of the fans.
Minority of the fans as well. Not everyone comes here, you know.
You have no proof of that. For all you know, the majority of the voiceless hate the ending as much as the most passionate fans voicing their concern here.
Considering how ubiquitous internet access is nowadays, I think that your assumption is the most singularly idiotic thing in this entire thread, not that it couldn't be right, but seriously? Lack of proof as proof? Herpderp.
Modifié par Deflagratio, 18 mars 2012 - 11:43 .
#124
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:41
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we are the consumers. bioware owes us everything.
they lied about their product. thus, they have the obligation to fix it and make things right
they lied about their product. thus, they have the obligation to fix it and make things right
#125
Posté 18 mars 2012 - 11:42
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HenchxNarf wrote...
Ghost Warrior wrote...
No you silly thing,that's your role.slyguy200 wrote...
people (hipsters is what they are) go WHINING about how the change ruins the
artistic vision of the game and complains how it ruins the whole experience
I wouldn't go whining "why did you give in bioware" and say it ruins my experience. But right now,before anything has happened,I fight for the right thing. For creators' rights.
Whining is your responsibility,I would never take that away from you.
They don't care about the creator's rights. All they care about is their own. CREATORS BE DAMNED!
Ridiculous.
Not sure if serious, paranoid, or a troll.
