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[Ghost Warrior]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...
Still looking at videogames as vacuum cleaners,Farb? Still not seeing the artistic side.

Storytelling is art. Movies,literature,videogames - they are all about storytelling.

It's the artist's right to tell their story the way they want to.

And now we're going back to Mass Effect being a game of choices - but limited choices.

-And yet, somehow, Bioware has before retracted / revisited / copped to "inconsistencies" within a "story" they backed.

Deception.

So sure the artist can tell whatever story he likes. But if the publisher or the fans dont like it, it CAN get retracted or revisited. Bioware has its own example see? 

I thought I told you in other thread that it's not the same thing. That entire book was full of lore-breaking stuff. ME3 endings only expand on already established lore,they don't change it. Especially not in Deception's amount.

[hex23]

HenchxNarf wrote...

BSN is the minority, not the majority.

Uh champ....you may want to look around the internet if you think complaints about the end are localized at BSN. I beat the game a week ago and can't escape people talking about how sh*tty the last 10 minutes is, as much as I'd like to forget it.

I'd even go as far as to say, BSN is about the most polite board when it comes to expressing how they feel about the end. Most of the memes and jokes disrespecting Bioware and/or "ME3" didn't originate on this board.

Like I said, actually look around, even for 10-15 minutes, and it'll readily become obvious that the ending was not well received, in general.

[Butane9000]

Because they're now being faced with a legitimate false advertising lawsuit. However I feel about it you cannot deny the fact they went about pre-launch telling us one thing and giving us something completely different.

[HenchxNarf]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

Ghost Warrior wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

people (hipsters is what they are) go WHINING about how the change ruins the
artistic vision of the game and complains how it ruins the whole experience

No you silly thing,that's your role.

I wouldn't go whining "why did you give in bioware" and say it ruins my experience. But right now,before anything has happened,I fight for the right thing. For creators' rights.

Whining is your responsibility,I would never take that away from you.

They don't care about the creator's rights. All they care about is their own. CREATORS BE DAMNED!

Ridiculous.

Not sure if serious, paranoid, or a troll.

Sarcastic, actually.

Because Ghost Warrior is right. And no one cares about the creator's rights. They just care about what they think they deserve. Hell with the people who enjoy what they created.

[Ghost Warrior]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

Not sure if serious, paranoid, or a troll.

None. Just honest and exaggerating a little to make the point more obvious to people who refuse to see it.

Modifié par Ghost Warrior, 18 mars 2012 - 11:45 .

[AgitatedLemon]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

ME3 endings only expand on already established lore,they don't change it.

They don't change it, they make it null.

Genophage cure? Who cares. Krogan are stranded in the Sol system.

Quarian/Geth? Who cares. Both are stranded in the Sol system (or you can just kill all of the geth in the destroy ending).

Once the quarian flotilla finally runs out of resources for making dextro food (They're sustaining 2 populations now), they and the turians will go extinct. The burned shell of Earth can't sustain the remaining humans, asari, salarians, quarians, krogan, batarians, elcor, turians, geth, volus or all of the other species that are a part of the final army.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 18 mars 2012 - 11:49 .

[MissMaster_2]

Plot holes. And the fact they stand to lose millions.

[DiebytheSword]

Movies do it all the time, and they are "art".

One ME Book has already been changed.

The precedents are there, and while I wasn't enraged by the endings, I was far from happy with them. There was literally too much nonsense, it felt as if much of the ending was not explained to the viewer. Leaving the eventual fates of the collective races of the cycle to the imagination was not a bad thing, leaving the Fate of Shepard ambiguous was not a bad thing, leaving Joker's wild ride, amongst other spoilery things was.

I'm not for rewriting the ends, the damage is done. I am, however, all for explaining the last 5 minutes of the game in some fashion that actually makes sense.

[Farbautisonn]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

I thought I told you in other thread that it's not the same thing. That entire book was full of lore-breaking stuff. ME3 endings only expand on already established lore,they don't change it. Especially not in Deception's amount.

-Its precisely the same thing. An "artist" an author produced a book, a work of art, that he was forced to retract. The end.

[Ghost Warrior]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

They don't change it, they make it null.

Genophage cure? Who cares. Krogan are stranded in the Sol system.

Quarian/Geth? Who cares. Both are stranded in the Sol system (or you can just kill all of the geth in the destroy ending).

How did you think it would end with the threat as big as the Reapers? You expected happy end after everything you found out about them? After barely defeating one of them with a entire fleet,and now there are thousands?

[Ghost Warrior]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Butane9000 wrote...

Because they're now being faced with a legitimate false advertising lawsuit. However I feel about it you cannot deny the fact they went about pre-launch telling us one thing and giving us something completely different.

"Nothing is final untill the game is shipped."

/thread

[AgitatedLemon]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

They don't change it, they make it null.

Genophage cure? Who cares. Krogan are stranded in the Sol system.

Quarian/Geth? Who cares. Both are stranded in the Sol system (or you can just kill all of the geth in the destroy ending).

How did you think it would end with the threat as big as the Reapers? You expected happy end after everything you found out about them? After barely defeating one of them with a entire fleet,and now there are thousands?

How did I think it would end? Relatively the same as it does now. Extremely pyrrhic.

I just don't feel the need to set technology back several hundred centuries, or exterminate all synthetic life, or derp the Normandy's crew and strand them on Gilligan's Planet.

[Ghost Warrior]

Farbautisonn wrote...


-Its precisely the same thing. An "artist" an author produced a book, a work of art, that he was forced to retract. The end.

An artist produced a book based on someone elses universe,while directly breaking the foundations of that universe.

[hex23]

IGN recently hosted a poll about the "ME3" ending on their Facebook.

The results? 3.936 people said they didn't like it compared to 859 that said they did.

So there goes the whole "BSN's opinion is in the minority".

Now, you can disagree with asking for a new ending, but that's irrelevant. Yes it's their story, their artistic vision, but I seriously doubt a multi-million dollar business like Bioware, owned by a multi-billion dollar business like EA, is going to fall on the sword of artistic integrity.

[MissMaster_2]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

They don't change it, they make it null.

Genophage cure? Who cares. Krogan are stranded in the Sol system.

Quarian/Geth? Who cares. Both are stranded in the Sol system (or you can just kill all of the geth in the destroy ending).

How did you think it would end with the threat as big as the Reapers? You expected happy end after everything you found out about them? After barely defeating one of them with a entire fleet,and now there are thousands?

Ghost Warrior we get it you love the endings.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

They don't change it, they make it null.

Genophage cure? Who cares. Krogan are stranded in the Sol system.

Quarian/Geth? Who cares. Both are stranded in the Sol system (or you can just kill all of the geth in the destroy ending).

How did you think it would end with the threat as big as the Reapers? You expected happy end after everything you found out about them? After barely defeating one of them with a entire fleet,and now there are thousands?

I don't think anyone is looking for puppy dogs and rainbows, just for endings that don't invalidate every choice the player makes over the course of 3 games, and involve some semibalance of SENSE in the first place.

[Ghost Warrior]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

How did I think it would end? Relatively the same as it does now. Extremely pyrrhic.

I just don't feel the need to set technology back several hundred centuries, or exterminate all synthetic life, or derp the Normandy's crew and strand them on Gilligan's Planet.

Mass Relays were a part of the cycle just as much as the Reapers who considered the extermination of all synthetic life as one of the alternatives for the cycle of destruction. Normandy part...I didn't get it either,honestly.

But previous titles also had plotholes,and they weren't rewritten. Nor they should have been.

Modifié par Ghost Warrior, 18 mars 2012 - 11:56 .

[bleachorange]

Okay, I'm going to get in on this a little, because the way I see it is whether you are for or against the ending, there are people saying the opinions of others do not matter. Bioware doesn't see it this way. Now, here's where it gets dicey.

Bioware is a business. As a business it raises enough capital for them to work on their 'art'. In order to do this, they must sell a product that other want to purchase. So it only makes sense to listen to what the customer wants, and see if it can reasonably be incorporated. Simple.

On the other hand, some people will disagree with the fact that what they do is not art. That's untrue. When I think of the Mass Effect series (before the ME3 ending, but that's besides the point), the term that comes to mind is 'masterpiece'. That term is applied to art, not simply a product.

I believe quite simply that, yes, it is art, and yes, Bioware has creative license to do was they wish with it, most certainly. I also believe that as a business that exists to turn a profit, there are the needs of the customers to consider as well. How these two are handled is a difficult balancing act sometimes.

There are fears on both sides of the table. Fear that if Bioware caves and makes the DLC, they will repeat this tactic and extort more money from us in the future. Fear that if they don't cave and make the DLC, they will have screwed us over this time, and our money will have been wasted, as well as the time invested so far in the IP.

Fear in this situation is counterproductive, as it hurts any chance of realizing both sides have valid concerns. My recommendation is simply let people vote with their wallets as they will, whether Bioware makes a DLC to correct the ending of ME3 or not. After all, you wouldn't work for free would you? Volunteering doesn't pay the bills.

[MissMaster_2]

hex23 wrote...

IGN recently hosted a poll about the "ME3" ending on their Facebook.

The results? 3.936 people said they didn't like it compared to 859 that said they did.

So there goes the whole "BSN's opinion is in the minority".

Now, you can disagree with asking for a new ending, but that's irrelevant. Yes it's their story, their artistic vision, but I seriously doubt a multi-million dollar business like Bioware, owned by a multi-billion dollar business like EA, is going to fall on the sword of artistic integrity.

The won't. They see $$$$ in this. They will make a DLC make it cost 10-20 bucks we all will buy it. It will be over. If they don't then...they lose money.

[Ghost Warrior]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Ghost Warrior we get it you love the endings.

Actually I don't. But they are just not lore-breaking.

[MissMaster_2]

Ghost Warrior wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

How did I think it would end? Relatively the same as it does now. Extremely pyrrhic.

I just don't feel the need to set technology back several hundred centuries, or exterminate all synthetic life, or derp the Normandy's crew and strand them on Gilligan's Planet.

Mass Relays were a part of the cycle just as much as the Reapers who considered the extermination of all synthetic life as one of the alternatives for the cycle of destruction. Normandy part...I didn't get it either,honestly.

But previous titles also had plotholes,and they weren't rewritten. Nor they should have been.

Like what? No, go ahead explain please.

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 18 mars 2012 - 11:58 .