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Ghost Warrior wrote...

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How did I think it would end? Relatively the same as it does now. Extremely pyrrhic.

I just don't feel the need to set technology back several hundred centuries, or exterminate all synthetic life, or derp the Normandy's crew and strand them on Gilligan's Planet.

Mass Relays were a part of the cycle just as much as the Reapers who considered the extermination of all synthetic life as one of the alternatives for the cycle of destruction. Normandy part...I didn't get it either,honestly.

But previous titles also had plotholes,and they weren't rewritten. Nor they should have been.


The same cycle of destruction that the Catalyst contradicts, by his very existence. I'll take him seriously the next time he doesn't completely invalidate himself. In the words of Xzibit-

"Yo dawg, I heard u didn't want to get killed by synthetics, so I made an armada of synthetics to kill you so you don't get killed by synthetics."

... And your point about the relays is?

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

Ghost Warrior we get it you love the endings. 

MissMaster_2 we get it you hate the endings.

And so on, so on so on.

And, just to point it out, Ghost Warrior was right to ask this question.

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There isnt a secret ending when you get ALL the war assets or get the Galactic Rediness level to 100% and then choose the "Red" Option at the end or anything, because it definietly doesn't make ME3 5 times better either, which will, of course, not stop everyone's crying or other wish-wash.

*cough cough*

I've said too much.

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CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

I don't think anyone is looking for puppy dogs and rainbows, just for endings that don't invalidate every choice the player makes over the course of 3 games, and involve some semibalance of SENSE in the first place.

It doesn't invalidate. The scene with Normandy is not the same if Garrus died in SM (for example). At the end of ME3,quarians might have their homeworld back,depending on your actions. The krogan may or may not rise again. Should I go on?

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Ghost Warrior wrote...

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Ghost Warrior we get it you love the endings.

Actually I don't. But they are just not lore-breaking.


They're flipping the bird to the established lore.

May as well be taking all of the lore, putting it into a trash bag, and burning it in a bonfire. Quite literally everything you did over the course of the first 2 games (And the first 90% of ME3) is rendered moot.

Galactic civilization is still in shambles, billions are still dead (Probably more are killed by the relays exploding), Shepard is still dead, Normandy's crew is still stranded. It boils down to "Pick your favorite color explosion".

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Ghost Warrior wrote...

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Ghost Warrior we get it you love the endings.

Actually I don't. But they are just not lore-breaking.


Listen.

BW alreay said they slapped these endings together because they ran out of time. That, number one is a slap in the face for fans. "Opps, sorry fools. lol."

Number two: It is an RPG about choice that has pretty much 1 ending that is full of lazy ass plot holes- again is a slap in the fact to fans. Shepard would not be like "Yeah, okay Godchild you are so right!" Shepard would have said "I won't do it." or "%$^* you, little brat." They said we would have closer, all ends out be tied, everything would make sense. Don't sit her and say that this 'ish dose because it is horrible. I hope they did this all to make more money because that would have been a smart ass move if not then. Wow.

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 19 mars 2012 - 12:04 .


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Entitlement is a word thrown around a lot, seemingly without consideration for the fact that entitlement covers everything from demanding something for the hell of it, to paying for a service and being entitled to receive it. If I legally purchase a film and the last 15 minutes has some other completely irrelevant film tacked on instead of the actual end, then yes I am in fact entitled to the actual ending.

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Captian Cornhole wrote...

Besides making moar money, gimme a reason why. A reason why besides saying it "sucked" cause that is a matter of preference, and preferences are not fact.

Because in the end, it is their franchise and they can do what they want with it. The haters aren't entitled to anything, nor should they recieve one based off the childish ways they are acting. It is sad to see a group of people so butthurt over a videogame. Seriously what ever happened to getting a job and moving out of mother's basement.

Of course I speak in broad generalizations, but that said Bioware owes you nothing.

Really, there is no reason other than money, except for perhaps because somone (or a great many someones) at BioWare also think that the endings need to be changed.

But by not changing it, they are pissing off a lot of people, and those people will tell their friends, and those people and their friends will not buy BioWare products, or buy them only at discounted prices, and BioWare will lose money.  And, considering that it's a business, losing money is not something that they would want to happen.

You speak of "haters" acting "entitled" and "childish."  Yet, from what I've seen in the many "ending-hate" threads, most (I wouldn't presume to say all, because I know that's not true) people like pretty much all of the game, and most people are very civil about their complaints.  Obviously some people are more volatile and abrasive than others, but I have seen people quickly advise their foul-mouthed peers to tone it down and not be insulting.  In fact, the thread that I have been following recently (http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1) is much more civil than this one, tinfoil hats and all.

When you say we feel "entitiled," what I'm understanding is that you think that we think we deserve something, in this case endings that are not what we got (correct me if I'm wrong).  Now, there are some people here that have found quotes from BioWare specifically stating that the endings would not be what we got.  Something about "it will not be A, B, or C."  You'll forgive me for not looking them up, but they are there, possibly somewhere in this very thread.  Now, to have a company say that they will do some thing, and then not do that thing, is very shady practice.  Yes, they also said (as most companies say) that "nothing is set in stone."  However, you cannot deny that deliberately stating something and then not delivering on it is an acceptable business practice.  Whether or not you agree with the reaction to this decision and the "demands" for a better ending, this is still a pretty shady move.

A sidenote on "demands": most people are just asking.  Some are asking more loudly and more forcefully than others, but it is, ultimately asking.  We cannot force BioWare to do anything, so we are asking loudly and instantly (again, some are being real jerks about it, but I can guarantee you that they annoy all of the level-headed people on the forums, whichever side of the argument they are on), because it is all that we can do.

And to all of you people that are tired of the whining: you don't have to read the various "end-hate" threads, no more than BioWare has to adjust the ending.  If we're bothering you, ignore us.  It's not like we're at your house, waving our hands in your face.

And OP: what's up with the comparison of not liking the ending with living in one's mother's basement, or not having a job?  That was very rude of you; just because someone cares a lot about a story doesn't mean that they are unemployed, or are reliant on their parents for shelter.

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AgitatedLemon wrote...
It boils down to "Pick your favorite color explosion".

Yeah,you are right. You just decide the fate of entire galaxy,lives of millions of geth,maybe choose to turn everyone into hybrids...no choice at all. (sarcasm)

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Again, Ghost Warrior (We have done this already and I made a post you could not respond to).

Brother, you just don't get it, or you don't want to just to be contrary. To say the ending doesn't go against the lore is kind of... well, a bit silly.

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Ghost Warrior wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
It boils down to "Pick your favorite color explosion".

Yeah,you are right. You just decide the fate of entire galaxy,lives of millions of geth,maybe choose to turn everyone into hybrids...no choice at all. (sarcasm)


-Thanks for copping to that. Nice of you to do so. Welcome to the dark side.

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Logan Cloud wrote...

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You guys always complain about Bioware doing things "businessy," but then you defend your opinion by saying "they need to listen to us if they want repeated business."

So what is it? Should Bioware make good business decisions or not? I love how you change your words around to suit your case. Even when it obviously contradicts what you were saying before.


They don't know what they want, honestly.


I beleive you're intelligent for saying so.


This makes you sound stupid. Most likely because you are.

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MissMaster_2 wrote...

Shepard would not be like "Yeah, okay Godchild you are so right!" Shepard would have said "I won't do it."

And then Reapers destroy everything and everyone. Ingenious,I gotta admit.

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The end of the Line people are worse than the Hold the Line people.


They like the ending, so anyone who has invested time, emotions and money into the series over the past 5 years is entitled, brats, ****es or kids.

Incredible, absolutely incredible.

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Farbautisonn wrote...

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I thought I told you in other thread that it's not the same thing. That entire book was full of lore-breaking stuff. ME3 endings only expand on already established lore,they don't change it. Especially not in Deception's amount.


-Its precisely the same thing. An "artist" an author produced a book, a work of art, that he was forced to retract. The end.


He only 'artistically embellished' when waxing eloquent about the hills of Omega....

I couldn't resist, sorry. Why can't the two of you agree to disagree? *sigh*<_<

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Because the current endings are just insulting.

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Ghost Warrior wrote...

Yeah,you are right. You just decide the fate of entire galaxy,lives of millions of geth,maybe choose to turn everyone into hybrids...no choice at all. (sarcasm)

Regardless of which ending you pick all races are stranded on earth. Their deaths are virtually assured.

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Darkeus wrote...

Again, Ghost Warrior (We have done this already and I made a post you could not respond to).

Brother, you just don't get it, or you don't want to just to be contrary. To say the ending doesn't go against the lore is kind of... well, a bit silly.

Or a kind of...well,accurate.

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Ghost Warrior wrote...
An artist produced a book based on someone elses universe,while directly breaking the foundations of that universe.


-A book that got the go-ahead from bioware and was praised by Bioware devs. So year. It still stands. :). It got retracted. It was bioware who stood behind it, and you havent got a foot to stand on. Thanks for trying though.

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Ghost Warrior wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...
It boils down to "Pick your favorite color explosion".

Yeah,you are right. You just decide the fate of entire galaxy,lives of millions of geth,maybe choose to turn everyone into hybrids...no choice at all. (sarcasm)


Not sure if serious, or just really, really, really dense...

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bleachorange wrote...
He only 'artistically embellished' when waxing eloquent about the hills of Omega....
I couldn't resist, sorry. Why can't the two of you agree to disagree? *sigh*<_<

-Because:

a) He doesnt really seem to be in the mood for a compromise.

B) I am enjoying myself.

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The end of the Line people are worse than the Hold the Line people.


They like the ending, so anyone who has invested time, emotions and money into the series over the past 5 years is entitled, brats, ****es or kids.

Incredible, absolutely incredible.

It must be nice,not reading posts and jumping to conclusions.

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Ghost Warrior wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Shepard would not be like "Yeah, okay Godchild you are so right!" Shepard would have said "I won't do it."

And then Reapers destroy everything and everyone. Ingenious,I gotta admit.


Do you even know that?

100%? Did you see it in a vision? Are you an all-knowing deity? Are you Vent Boy? Space Magic? RGB?


Mass Effect 2 could have ended horribly, or with a little extra work, it could have ended fantastically.

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So we buy future games.

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Ghost Warrior wrote...

FatalX7.0 wrote...

The end of the Line people are worse than the Hold the Line people.


They like the ending, so anyone who has invested time, emotions and money into the series over the past 5 years is entitled, brats, ****es or kids.

Incredible, absolutely incredible.

It must be nice,not reading posts and jumping to conclusions.


I got to the second page of this thread.


And I've been reading articles and threads over multiple forums about the endings and have been seeing the same attitudes from both sides.


Assuming is nice, isn't it?