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[Getorex]

Sonicsnak3 wrote...

Wow some people are really harsh, hawat333 do you not understand that there are many ways for individuals to escape reality? There are worse ways to get emotionally attached to things but playing video games and loving the story is NOT something to be ashamed of. Think about what your saying, because Mass Effect is DESIGNED to engage you and to involve you in the games plot. It isn't simply some fan boy COD game where you can sit in a corner and spray bullets. Its a friggin massive RPG storytelling experience, and it has more depth than most video games to date. I understand everyone's let down over the end because it made the previous time spent on your shepards story irrelevant. Its hard to get over practically having a door close on your face at the end of the game and making it a pointless waste of effort.

Stop making harsh statements
and be Nice to People

Well said.  Sure, this is just a game but it is a game that I invested years and dollars and imagination in experiencing.  I replayed 1 an 2 multiple times, enjoying every minute.  While I am not such a fan that I would buy N7 clothing or googaws (or get a tattoo like on guy did...wonder how he feels about that tat now?), I do want a different ending.  One that doesn't toss cold water on all that time, money, and imagination.  It is quite possible to end a beloved series without going all death and bleakness.  You can leave it "riding off into the sunset" so to speak where each player can imagine that the life in the galaxy, with all its peoples and environments and conflicts goes on and that, maybe, Shepard and his/her LI go on in some fashion.  You leave with a satisfied feeling rather than an empty one.  I don't want to be left sitting here thinking, "I blew $150 and some 200+ hours over the last handful of years for absolutely nothing? What have I done!?  I could have been outside!  I could have been reading.  I could have played something else!"  I'm now thinking of going back to Deus Ex: Human Revolution for another go.  Four DIFFERENT endings with only one of them killing you off.  

[Sonicsnak3]

Sonicsnak3 wrote...

Actually Getorex that's not the best thing to do, from a creative standpoint ( And a financial one ), BioWare have to correct the issue and please the community ( And they're attempting it right now ). If you want a better ending just wait it out and keep your voices heard on the forums/facebook/twitter. They're just taking in a lot of comments/constructive criticism and theories right now so they re working on the project. Dont sell your copies just yet, Don't lose complete faith.

Modifié par Sonicsnak3, 19 mars 2012 - 04:19 .

[Getorex]

Corbinus wrote...

Getorex wrote...

it wrecked the Normandy.  They were dangerous.  Also, ME2 DETERMINES that exploding relays is thus deadly.  Any attempt to go otherwise is a massive retcon. 

Here we go again...

1) Hitting Mass Relay with a huge rock is not the same that hitting it with Crucible energy. IMHO obvious.
2) Joker wasn't in normal space. He was either inside Relay or in FTL. I am not sure which is correct.
I think if he was in normal space nothing would happen to him. Of course he couldn't know that.
BTW did we see that ball of energy destroying anything if our EMS is not low? I don't think so.

No explosion in the universe can travel even close to the speed of light so traveling at FASTER than the speed of light to escape one is overkill. 

You assume a lot, by they way.  That is what happens when you get a crappy nonsense ending.  You try to make sense, ANY sense of it so you come up with all kinds of justification and retroactive logic to try to explain it.  In the end it comes down to...SPACE MAGIC!

[Overule]

Just keep holding the line guys. What happens to this franchise should be our call, not some sweaty overpaid guy at EA's.

[Getorex]

Sonicsnak3 wrote...

Sonicsnak3 wrote...

Actually Getorex that's not the best thing to do, from a creative standpoint ( And a financial one ), BioWare have to correct the issue and please the community ( And they're attempting it right now ). If you want a better ending just wait it out and keep your voices heard on the forums/facebook/twitter. They're just taking in a lot of comments/constructive criticism and theories right now so they re working on the project. Dont sell your copies just yet, Don't lose complete faith.

There's a balancing act in effect here.  If you wait too long to refund your ME3 or exchange it, you wont get it.  Bioware will count the sale, even if you resell it on ebay for $10, as a win! and, therefore, a vote FOR their crap ending.  It is well and good to hold on for a little while but don't be too long.  If you keep playing and keep holding it, you are screwed.

In any case, if you bought it from Amazon, why NOT get the refund?  It's not as if you can't turn around and, losing absolutely nothing, RE-purchase the game from Amazon again AFTER they fix it.  As it is, I will re-purchase the game if they, in fact, do fix it (a fix meaning an ending that invites replay, not merely sad musing over a dead series).  For me, it is an exchange so I will have to shell out an additional wad of cash on top of what I paid for ME3 originally (waste of money!).  I get a totally new game in exchange to play in the meantime while I wait and see if Bioware does the right thing.  If they don't, I'm happy, I took money and support away from them.  If they do, I come back and reward them for doing the right thing.  classical conditioning.

[Navywife64]

That sums it up for, thank you. I have been playing rpg's since d&d and you are right it is hard to find a game that a female can be the hero without being model perfect. BW showed in ME and DA that we can do it without running and tripping at the last minute to be picked up by a man. I would love a happy ending but it isn't neccessary but I would like an ending this not an ending it just opened up more questions. We are a gaming family even my grandkids are gamers. So thank you expressing the disappointment so nicely.

[Sonicsnak3]

I suppose so but Collectors Editions like mine I don't think Amazon will accept back. Because we used all the DLC content that's part of it and cannot be re-sold again at brand new. Pre-owned N7 Collectors Editions are pointless lol

[Corbinus]

Getorex wrote...
.You assume a lot, by they way.  That is what happens when you get a crappy nonsense ending.  You try to make sense, ANY sense of it so you come up with all kinds of justification and retroactive logic to try to explain it.  I

Well, isn't it what Bioware wanted? Lots of speculation:P

[Getorex]

Sonicsnak3 wrote...

I suppose so but Collectors Editions like mine I don't think Amazon will accept back. Because we used all the DLC content that's part of it and cannot be re-sold again at brand new. Pre-owned N7 Collectors Editions are pointless lol

As I understand it, people HAVE returned the CE version to Amazon.  

Why would buying a pre-owned CE be pointless?  You open the box, pull out its guts, install it, use it...it doesn't remain pristine and unopened even if you buy it brand-spanking-new.  Of course, maybe someday, to SOME collector the CE will be worth a little bit if Bioware fixes their borked product...IF it is the original CE with crap ending unfixed.  A flawed copy, so to speak.  

[starscreamerx31]

Corbinus wrote...

Getorex wrote...
.You assume a lot, by they way.  That is what happens when you get a crappy nonsense ending.  You try to make sense, ANY sense of it so you come up with all kinds of justification and retroactive logic to try to explain it.  I

Well, isn't it what Bioware wanted? Lots of speculation:P

haaaaa thats exactly what they wanted but i dont think it was quite like this. I do agree that people are trying hard to make sence of the ending hence the indoctrination theory. 

[Otaku Hanzo]

string3r wrote...

So, Bioware have officially ruined Dragon Age and Mass Effect.

I'm guessing KOTOR's next right? Oh wait....

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite post on the forum.

[Getorex]

starscreamerx31 wrote...

Corbinus wrote...

Getorex wrote...
.You assume a lot, by they way.  That is what happens when you get a crappy nonsense ending.  You try to make sense, ANY sense of it so you come up with all kinds of justification and retroactive logic to try to explain it.  I

Well, isn't it what Bioware wanted? Lots of speculation:P

haaaaa thats exactly what they wanted but i dont think it was quite like this. I do agree that people are trying hard to make sence of the ending hence the indoctrination theory. 

yep, but the released developer notes pretty much eliminated that theory as a possibility.  The developer notes indicate that the ending is as it is and intended to be taken at face value.  They actually thought the ending, as it is and unchanged and unexpanded, was a good idea.  Group think will wreck you every time and Bioware succumbed to group think.

Seriously, I finished the game in 4 days and stopped JUST shy of the ending because I heard/read rumblings, looked into it, found that there was NO WAY I was going to actually put myself through such an ending.  I then held onto the game because the speculation about indoctrination and suggestions that they would release a REAL ending soon.  But then the developer notes were released.  All the air left my sail.  I held out a bit more and then read the ridiculous releases and statements by Hudson.  I lost all hope and respect and now...I've exchanged ME3 for something else.

Modifié par Getorex, 19 mars 2012 - 04:38 .

[Michale_Jackson]

guys don't hold your breath on a DLC fixed ending. Bioware hasn't even fixed the broken import.

I think it's a done deal ME3 is a bust. I beat it for the 2nd time last night this time with over 5000+ EMR from having to run through hours of multiplayer only to find the ending to be practically the same as my first play through. A train wreck ending.

Modifié par Michale_Jackson, 19 mars 2012 - 04:39 .

[Getorex]

Michale_Jackson wrote...

guys don't hold your breath on a DLC fixed ending. Bioware hasn't even fixed the broken import.

I think it's a done deal ME3 is a bust. I beat it for the 2nd time last night this time with over 5000+ EMR from having to run through hours of multiplayer only to find the ending to be practically the same as my first play through. A train wreck ending.

You can exchange the game for a new one of equal value if you got it via Origin/EA Games.  If you bought it from Amazon you can get a full refund.

I am downloading my exchange as I type.  My sister and father have quit playing ME3 but I don't know yet if they will refund/exchange.

[Mojenator12345]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

I want that Segway.

Cerberus see me rollin'

THEY HATIN'!

LOL.  There should be an option to mop up Cerberus holdouts while riding the Segway.  Bioware, get on it!

[oishii]

It would be interesting if they did a full or partial series reboot. i enjoyed the game, was disappointed in the ending but one thing's for sure: the game could have used more time in the oven.

[Ceira]

First of all, wow. I had not anticipated this thread becoming as large as it has. There's a lot of interesting discussions taking place, and I'm rather relieved to find that other people have shared similar thoughts and experiences.

Goroxx wrote...

This is something I was explaining to my wife and she agreed - you CANNOT give the option for a romantic suplot that the player's choose and then NOT give the option for a happy ending. That is knowingly offering up something that many female gamers would like but then rip it to shreds at the end.

Way to go, BioWare, you just broke the hearts of the majority of your female fans.

You and your wife are correct. This was one of the major faults with the ending and a source of ceaseless frustration for myself and others. Regardless of the choices you have made throughout the series, you receive an A, B, or C ending with no closure given to any of the overarcing subplots that have existed throughout the story. One of the endings even directly contradicts the game's overall philosophy, which is the desire for peace and tolerance. Because of this lack of finality, players like myself are left feeling hollow and generally miffed over having to guess what comes next. This holds especially true for the romance subplots. 

In my playthrough, I chose to have my Shepard engage in a relationship with Liara T'Soni. I did this not because I'm a lesbian, but because it "felt right". I can appreciate a relationship between two women in a fictional setting so long as it's crafted corretly and not forced. In the Mass Effect series, that criteria was fulfilled. That relationship was handed with such dilligence and care that it was no longer just a social commentary on today's taboo subjects, but rather an expose on a love shared between two people who overcame barriers of gender and even species. 

So, yes. A good part of me wanted to have some form of closure granted to this subplot. I don't necessarily mean the two of them get married and have "lots of blue babies." Finality could have been granted during the last struggle. Liara or even Shepard could have been critically injured, and then they spent the last few minutes of their time together comforting one another. That would give closure. It would be sad, but it would be final. And that's all I was really hoping for. So, again, imagine my surprise when this subplot is unceremoniously terminated by the writers with no lasting payoff, positive or negative. 

Imagine picking up a romance novel. You read most of the way through it. You're getting involved with the characters and generally hope that, somehow, things work out between them. Then the last 50 pages of the book are ripped out. That's essentially how Mass Effect 3 resolved its romance plots, in a nutshell.

[Goroxx]

Ceira wrote...

Imagine picking up a romance novel. You read most of the way through it. You're getting involved with the characters and generally hope that, somehow, things work out between them. Then the last 50 pages of the book are ripped out. That's essentially how Mass Effect 3 resolved its romance plots, in a nutshell.

^^This.

There's a reason that the romantic novel industry is a multi-billion dollar industry; the reason that romantic comedy movies collectively rake in billions each year, and its not us guys who drive that.  

The stereotypical view of the "gamer" as a sweaty neckbeard in his mom's basement is fairly null and void here in 2012, but BioWare's actions here in writing the abominable ending to ME3 makes me wonder if the company knows that.  More and more women choose gaming as their hobby.  Zynga Facebook games anyone?  The enormous Sims franchise?  

Its just a plain fact of life that plots involving romance are attractive to women gamers (and women book reader, women movie viewers,etc.)  For BioWare to so completely crush the hopes of anyone who was invested in the romantic subplots is so utterly criminal, and runs counter to all sense of business and marketing logic.  I don't think BioWare could have found a better way to discourage female gamers in this market (sci fi games) if they tried.  

Way to set the clock back there, Mac & Casey.  Women vote with their pocketbooks, too.

[Cadence of the Planes]

Its just a plain fact of life that plots involving romance are attractive to women gamers (and women book reader, women movie viewers,etc.)  For BioWare to so completely crush the hopes of anyone who was invested in the romantic subplots is so utterly criminal, and runs counter to all sense of business and marketing logic.  I don't think BioWare could have found a better way to discourage female gamers in this market (sci fi games) if they tried.  

Way to set the clock back there, Mac & Casey.  Women vote with their pocketbooks, too.

I'm super confused. You're accusing the game makers of setting back the clock, while making sweeping, stereotypical generalizations about romance plots involving female gamers?? I am a male, and I like romance plots - I really enjoyed the numerous romance options one had in this game. Likewise, I'm sure many female gamers prefer the action/ storytelling over the romantic plots. My personal view is that bringing in romance directly towards the end of the game is unecessary ( it hasn't happened in any of the previous ME games - the culmination of the romantic subplot was always BEFORE the final mission, as it is in ME3). As a fan of the romance in the ME games, I think it was a job well done. 

Many of the ...ehm... "men" were also disillusioned by the game. What about them? This may sound outrageous, but I don't think the game makers had it out for women, specifically. 

Nitpicking every single thing about the game and framing it in the worst possible light hardly helps further an argument - it just makes things silly.

Modifié par Cadence of the Planes, 19 mars 2012 - 05:45 .

[LiquidLovin]

Ceira wrote...

Imagine picking up a romance novel. You read most of the way through it. You're getting involved with the characters and generally hope that, somehow, things work out between them. Then the last 50 pages of the book are ripped out. That's essentially how Mass Effect 3 resolved its romance plots, in a nutshell.

Exactly. I enjoy romance in entertainment, as long as its not terribly sappy or contrived. In other words, I like romance to be as human as possible. ME certainly offered that; woo a prospective lover only to drive them away with a few words. To not really know what happened to the crew, MY crew, is like tearing away the author's foreward - not really necessary information but certainly good to have.

[abaris]

Ceira wrote...

So, yes. A good part of me wanted to have some form of closure granted to this subplot. I don't necessarily mean the two of them get married and have "lots of blue babies." Finality could have been granted during the last struggle. Liara or even Shepard could have been critically injured, and then they spent the last few minutes of their time together comforting one another. That would give closure. It would be sad, but it would be final. And that's all I was really hoping for. So, again, imagine my surprise when this subplot is unceremoniously terminated by the writers with no lasting payoff, positive or negative. 

I'm male, but I must say I'm also touched by what you've envisioned.

Might be because I'm one of those tuning the combat difficulty down to its lowest because the story and the interaction with NPCs is the only part interesting me in these kinds of games.

[berguina]

Goroxx wrote...


The stereotypical view of the "gamer" as a sweaty neckbeard in his mom's basement is fairly null and void here in 2012, but BioWare's actions here in writing the abominable ending to ME3 makes me wonder if the company knows that.  More and more women choose gaming as their hobby.  Zynga Facebook games anyone?  The enormous Sims franchise?  

Its just a plain fact of life that plots involving romance are attractive to women gamers (and women book reader, women movie viewers,etc.)  For BioWare to so completely crush the hopes of anyone who was invested in the romantic subplots is so utterly criminal, and runs counter to all sense of business and marketing logic.  I don't think BioWare could have found a better way to discourage female gamers in this market (sci fi games) if they tried.  

Way to set the clock back there, Mac & Casey.  Women vote with their pocketbooks, too.

Being a female gamer, who actually has no problem with the ending, I feel a little insulted from what you wrote. 
What I like of ME3 is that is not a soap opera and that heros sentiments are deeper than usually in games. 

[RocketManSR2]

The "wave of friendship" seemed to be taking out/shutting down anything that had Reaper tech in it. The alien fleet and Alliance would be safe, but the Normandy has a piece of Reaper tech in the engine. A little scene where Shepard warned Joker to get the hell out of the way or something would've helped that make more sense.

[Theodoro]

I agree with everything you've said, Ceira. Once I experienced the ending I felt hollow inside, as if it was all for nothing. Why the emotional build-up with Liara's romance, for example, if it was going to end like this? Had there been a proper sacrifice ending and not a nonsensical one, we would have seen a proper result of that sacrifice: a better galaxy without the Reapers, maybe; a lot of people saved even with all the casualties; but most importantly, Shepard's squadmates and friends should have at least acknowledged his/her death in some way, not to mention his/her love interest.

[ShadowReeper85]

Modifié par ShadowReeper85, 19 mars 2012 - 06:53 .