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[SilverTheEye]

Dear developers why you haven't removed discussion but only have closed it? Pretend to be good? You become good when will correct that horror which occurs to a game ending.
http://social.biowar...6005/1#10257315

[Michael_Patty]

Wow... People are really emotional about this issue. Personally, I'm of a mind that the endings could have used more options, or at least a clearer reflection of your character's actions to-date. Also, leaving plot elements unresolved (romance or otherwise) is something I cannot stand in a TV or Movie series, so I have to hold games to the same standard now that they are an "artistic" medium.

That said. It is just a game. Whether we disagree with the creators of the game or not, I think we owe them the respect of A) trying to understand their side of things, and not getting into p*ssing matches with them over it. I think Ceira made an impassioned commentary on the ending, some of which hit pretty close to home, and other parts of which might have been a bit over the top. But she didn't engage in name calling or outright hate-posting as many of the following posts did. Why don't we all keep it civil as she did?

As for additional endings for DLC? I'm certainly game (call me an idiot, but I'm a sucker for a happy ending). But DEMANDING it? I think that's overstepping ourselves a bit. Try asking nicely (as many here have -- well done, guys). The BioWare crew are some of the greatest guys and gals in the industry. Trust me, they'll take notice. What they're likely to dismiss are the ranters, screamers and self-entitled demands.

Michael

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[Vincent Rosevalliant]

Ceira wrote...
I'm coming away from this series heart-broken and depressed. I've tried doing a few multiplayer matches since finishing the main plot, but my taste for that has turned to bitter ash, as well. It's just... over. I'll probably uninstall it and go back to playing 'safe' things now, never again returning to RPGs. I don't want to run the risk of getting burned like this again.

OP: You are not the only one that feels like this way and the size of your thread is proof enough of that. Your feelings were expressed beautifully and you should ignore the people that try to diminish them in any way. (in real life too btw)

Personally I have not touched the game since "ending" it almost a week ago. It was just too horrible.
Fortunately our pain will pass eventually, and hopefully by then some of the smarter community members have made a mod that fixes this abomination. If Bioware won't help us then we will make up our own ending.

I sincerely hope that you do not give up on all RPG's just because of this badly written monstrosity. Might I suggest Jade Empire.

[Alithinos]

Ceira wrote...

 I know there's been a million threads on this game's ending, but I have to vent my own frustrations as a way of reaching some form of catharsis.

I'm in love with this series. The characters, the setting, the story at large. All of it is so well thought-out and perfect. There really has never been anything like this. I remember picking up a copy of the first Mass Effect at the suggestion of a friend while still in high school. I was skeptical at first, not being much of a scifi fan and also wary of RPGs in general. I'm more what you would call a 'casual gamer'. Nevertheless, after those first few hours I absolutely hooked. I could not break myself away, I just needed more and more. When the second Mass Effect game came out, I threw money on the counter with the fury of a thousand suns. I was more than eager to continue the adventures of Commander Shepard. That title did not disappoint, either.

Fast forward to today. I've recently graduated college. I have a good job, but I'm constantly working, constantly under tons of stress adjusting to everyday adult life. I knew Mass Effect 3 was just on the horizon however, and I could not wait to purchase it and give myself something to do. Have a little escapism, if you will. It took me about a week to beat it since I can only really play at night. The journey was interesting I guess. It was really short, but it had its fair share of highs and lows. It wasn't nearly as impressive as its predecessors, though that is a forgivable sin. But that ending... That... freaking ending... The ending was so jaw-droppingly horrible that I felt like someone had snatched the heart out of my chest and squeezed the blood from the tissue right in front of me. I don't mean to be graphic, but that's pretty much what it was like. I felt awful, about as badly as I did when my cat died last year. 

So I sat in my chair for about 30 minutes sipping from a cup of tea trying to rationalize all of what I had just seen. What did I just play? Did any of that make sense? What happened? Did I really spend $200 on this series just to see it go out like that? There were no answers to be had. No closure. No ending. The game just abruptly stopped.


I am a female gamer.

I know people's eyes gloss over when they see someone say that, and they probably think to themselves "Oh boy, here we go..." But I bring this up to make a point. Games in general do not typically have positive depictions of women. Heroines usually have really huge boobs, no personality, and spend the entire course of the game pining for men. That's great and all, but that's also why I am a casual gamer. I don't really want to spend my time and money on a video game only to have the worst aspects of my gender thrown back in my face. If I wanted that, I'd just watch Jersey Shore or the Kardashians. 

This is PRECISELY why I loved the Mass Effect series, however. Here you have a woman in her mid-30s. She's strong, sassy, intelligent and capable. Attractive, but not a super model. She obtained her position through dedication, hard work and loyalty, not T&A. She's everything a gamer like myself look to as an example of a proper female character, or even as a role model. Throughout my time playing the series, I kept thinking in my head "God, dude, I wish I could have that kind of confidence." When you have people in real life relating to fictional characters you have created out of thin air, that is ABSOLUTELY a mark of success as far as creativity goes.

So imagine my surprise and the hurt that I felt when all that tension and emotional investment I built up for the characters over the years, especially for Shepard, gets suddenly and unceremoniously tossed out the window in the matter of five minutes, full-stop. The game is just over. Thanks for the $60 bux. Buy our DLC. 

That is not how you close out an epic series. That is not how out reward dedicated fans who have spent their time and hard-earned cash supporting your company. It's a lazy slap in the face. The ending was something you would expect an intern to turn in to make a deadline rather than a seasoned professional with years of writing expertise. I haven't been this disappointed with a product in a long time. Now the series is over. It's done. Gone. I'll never get to see Shepard in action again, or Liara, or Garrus, or any of the others. The universe they exist in cannot be resurrected due to the decisions made by the writers. And that's what hurts the most.

It's not that the series is over that bothers me. All stories must inevitably come to an end. What bothers me is that it was ended in such a way that it is impossible to even begin to hope for another. All positive feelings and whispy dreams of life in such a future world have been mercilessly crushed. 

I'm coming away from this series heart-broken and depressed. I've tried doing a few multiplayer matches since finishing the main plot, but my taste for that has turned to bitter ash, as well. It's just... over. I'll probably uninstall it and go back to playing 'safe' things now, never again returning to RPGs. I don't want to run the risk of getting burned like this again.

I am a male gamer.
Me too works and only played late at night.
And I agree with everything you said about how this game made you feel. 
At the ending cutscene I remembered how I felt when a real relative person of mine died.After that day I remembered that that way I also felt when I was watching Lion King at the scene where Simba is over Mufasa's dead body,at year of maybe less than 10 old.
I know how it feels.
But don't get your hopes down. There are other more rpgs with more gratifying endings that are not sad,like Skyrim.

Anyway,let's all have a moment of silence for Shepard. 

Modifié par Alithinos, 19 mars 2012 - 07:40 .

[bobhampt]

It looks like I am one of the few playing through a second time. Up until the crappy last 10 minutes, I thought the game was amazing. But......now playing as FemShep, without all my past connections with the previous games, the game seems hollow. No Jack, Thane, or Wrex. It's just not the same experience.

[Kanon777]

Faust1979 wrote...

if you're this hurt over a games ending you seriously need a life to let something bother you this much

[kbct]

Ceira wrote...

And maybe it's different for men, but I do get emotionally involved with the characters in any media I consume. It's like sitting down and reading a good book series; I'm going to care what happens to the characters as they grow and develop. If I didn't, why would I bother reading it? People are supposed to be affected by their entertainment. Fiction exists as a genre for the sole purpose of presenting an audience with a situation that does not exist, and then making them care about it. Why is it so many people pretend that games don't count in this respect? It's okay for a book or a movie to draw an emotional response, but if a game does it, then you need Prozac? Really?

I only cared about this series because Shepard broke with the industry mold and presented me with a character that I could not only relate to, but that I could look up to. Everyone needs heroes, real or not. So, with all due respect, pardon me if I get a little upset about the fact that her story was entirely ruined.

This game provoked emotions, all right. The bad ones. 

Yeah, look at the number of posts in the Character & Romance forum. There are about as many replies in that forum as there are this forum. It's obvious to me that many members care about the characters and love interests. It shows in the reviews too.

You are definitely not alone.

[Kanon777]

The PLC wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

if you're this hurt over a games ending you seriously need a life to let something bother you this much

Yeah! People have only spent the last 5 years with these characters!

...

None of this was real, you didnt "spent 5 years" with anyone but your imagination, this is getting really wierd. Go read some fanfic or see some fanart and the character will be back for you, no need to be depressed, learn to diferentiate between reality and fantasy

[LuPoM]

Ceira wrote...

 I know there's been a million threads on this game's ending, but I have to vent my own frustrations as a way of reaching some form of catharsis.

I'm in love with this series. The characters, the setting, the story at large. All of it is so well thought-out and perfect. There really has never been anything like this. I remember picking up a copy of the first Mass Effect at the suggestion of a friend while still in high school. I was skeptical at first, not being much of a scifi fan and also wary of RPGs in general. I'm more what you would call a 'casual gamer'. Nevertheless, after those first few hours I absolutely hooked. I could not break myself away, I just needed more and more. When the second Mass Effect game came out, I threw money on the counter with the fury of a thousand suns. I was more than eager to continue the adventures of Commander Shepard. That title did not disappoint, either.

Fast forward to today. I've recently graduated college. I have a good job, but I'm constantly working, constantly under tons of stress adjusting to everyday adult life. I knew Mass Effect 3 was just on the horizon however, and I could not wait to purchase it and give myself something to do. Have a little escapism, if you will. It took me about a week to beat it since I can only really play at night. The journey was interesting I guess. It was really short, but it had its fair share of highs and lows. It wasn't nearly as impressive as its predecessors, though that is a forgivable sin. But that ending... That... freaking ending... The ending was so jaw-droppingly horrible that I felt like someone had snatched the heart out of my chest and squeezed the blood from the tissue right in front of me. I don't mean to be graphic, but that's pretty much what it was like. I felt awful, about as badly as I did when my cat died last year. 

So I sat in my chair for about 30 minutes sipping from a cup of tea trying to rationalize all of what I had just seen. What did I just play? Did any of that make sense? What happened? Did I really spend $200 on this series just to see it go out like that? There were no answers to be had. No closure. No ending. The game just abruptly stopped.


I am a female gamer.

I know people's eyes gloss over when they see someone say that, and they probably think to themselves "Oh boy, here we go..." But I bring this up to make a point. Games in general do not typically have positive depictions of women. Heroines usually have really huge boobs, no personality, and spend the entire course of the game pining for men. That's great and all, but that's also why I am a casual gamer. I don't really want to spend my time and money on a video game only to have the worst aspects of my gender thrown back in my face. If I wanted that, I'd just watch Jersey Shore or the Kardashians. 

This is PRECISELY why I loved the Mass Effect series, however. Here you have a woman in her mid-30s. She's strong, sassy, intelligent and capable. Attractive, but not a super model. She obtained her position through dedication, hard work and loyalty, not T&A. She's everything a gamer like myself look to as an example of a proper female character, or even as a role model. Throughout my time playing the series, I kept thinking in my head "God, dude, I wish I could have that kind of confidence." When you have people in real life relating to fictional characters you have created out of thin air, that is ABSOLUTELY a mark of success as far as creativity goes.

So imagine my surprise and the hurt that I felt when all that tension and emotional investment I built up for the characters over the years, especially for Shepard, gets suddenly and unceremoniously tossed out the window in the matter of five minutes, full-stop. The game is just over. Thanks for the $60 bux. Buy our DLC. 

That is not how you close out an epic series. That is not how out reward dedicated fans who have spent their time and hard-earned cash supporting your company. It's a lazy slap in the face. The ending was something you would expect an intern to turn in to make a deadline rather than a seasoned professional with years of writing expertise. I haven't been this disappointed with a product in a long time. Now the series is over. It's done. Gone. I'll never get to see Shepard in action again, or Liara, or Garrus, or any of the others. The universe they exist in cannot be resurrected due to the decisions made by the writers. And that's what hurts the most.

It's not that the series is over that bothers me. All stories must inevitably come to an end. What bothers me is that it was ended in such a way that it is impossible to even begin to hope for another. All positive feelings and whispy dreams of life in such a future world have been mercilessly crushed. 

I'm coming away from this series heart-broken and depressed. I've tried doing a few multiplayer matches since finishing the main plot, but my taste for that has turned to bitter ash, as well. It's just... over. I'll probably uninstall it and go back to playing 'safe' things now, never again returning to RPGs. I don't want to run the risk of getting burned like this again.

I am in your same situation, really EXACTLY like you, besides the fact that I'm a male.

That's how I felt in the end and how I feel now about the ending.. I could come to understand it, but it's so rushed and out of the context that it hurted.

Miracles can't be done, unless BioWare admits "okay, sorry, we ****ed up!" like they did before once.

I so wished that Drew wasn't moved to SWTOR.

[Mashleylol]

The size of the uproar over the ending is really a testament to the quality of the series as a whole. Other games had similarly awful endings (DXHR I'm looking at you) but there was never such an outrage over those because people were not so attatched to the games, and their stories and characters. No one seems to want to discuss how utterly fantastic ever moment of ME3 was except for the last 5... the ending just left such a bad taste in people's mouthes.

[LuPoM]

kbct wrote...

Ceira wrote...

And maybe it's different for men, but I do get emotionally involved with the characters in any media I consume. It's like sitting down and reading a good book series; I'm going to care what happens to the characters as they grow and develop. If I didn't, why would I bother reading it? People are supposed to be affected by their entertainment. Fiction exists as a genre for the sole purpose of presenting an audience with a situation that does not exist, and then making them care about it. Why is it so many people pretend that games don't count in this respect? It's okay for a book or a movie to draw an emotional response, but if a game does it, then you need Prozac? Really?

I only cared about this series because Shepard broke with the industry mold and presented me with a character that I could not only relate to, but that I could look up to. Everyone needs heroes, real or not. So, with all due respect, pardon me if I get a little upset about the fact that her story was entirely ruined.

This game provoked emotions, all right. The bad ones. 

Yeah, look at the number of posts in the Character & Romance forum. There are about as many replies in that forum as there are this forum. It's obvious to me that many members care about the characters and love interests. It shows in the reviews too.

You are definitely not alone.

I agree with you both, getting involved emotionally is something that happens to me while reading books, I often get like "living" them..
Same thing happened with this trilogy.

[bobhampt]

Mashleylol wrote...

The size of the uproar over the ending is really a testament to the quality of the series as a whole. Other games had similarly awful endings (DXHR I'm looking at you) .

I think I can stomach that ending only because ther will be more future Deus Ex games with either Alex or JC.

[Rogue1982]

Modifié par Rogue1982, 19 mars 2012 - 11:17 .

[ShadowReeper85]

[DC111]

Faust1979 wrote...

if you're this hurt over a games ending you seriously need a life to let something bother you this much

Please be easy. The context should be taken from a gaming perspective.

And truth be told... I was/am very hurt as well. Empty may be more appropriate; primarily because of the very poor writing/universe breaking final 10 minutes of closure.


..so each Mass Relay exploded leaving 100s of thousands of Aliens on planet Earth (and destroying multiple solar systems ... including earth) in every option?!?!

In short, Bioware took the Mass Effect universe that I touted as the best sci-fi creation in the 21 century and distorted it on several levels.

[Kathleen321]

DC111 wrote...

Faust1979 wrote...

if you're this hurt over a games ending you seriously need a life to let something bother you this much

Please be easy. The context should be taken from a gaming perspective.

And truth be told... I was/am very hurt as well. Empty may be more appropriate; primarily because of the very poor writing/universe breaking final 10 minutes of closure.


..so each Mass Relay exploded leaving 100s of thousands of Aliens on planet Earth (and destroying multiple solar systems ... including earth) in every option?!?!

In short, Bioware took the Mass Effect universe that I touted as the best sci-fi creation in the 21 century and distorted it on several levels.

yep until the end it was the best sci-fi ever in my opinion.

[Rogue1982]

Alithinos wrote...

Ceira wrote...

 I know there's been a million threads on this game's ending, but I have to vent my own frustrations as a way of reaching some form of catharsis.

I'm in love with this series. The characters, the setting, the story at large. All of it is so well thought-out and perfect. There really has never been anything like this. I remember picking up a copy of the first Mass Effect at the suggestion of a friend while still in high school. I was skeptical at first, not being much of a scifi fan and also wary of RPGs in general. I'm more what you would call a 'casual gamer'. Nevertheless, after those first few hours I absolutely hooked. I could not break myself away, I just needed more and more. When the second Mass Effect game came out, I threw money on the counter with the fury of a thousand suns. I was more than eager to continue the adventures of Commander Shepard. That title did not disappoint, either.

Fast forward to today. I've recently graduated college. I have a good job, but I'm constantly working, constantly under tons of stress adjusting to everyday adult life. I knew Mass Effect 3 was just on the horizon however, and I could not wait to purchase it and give myself something to do. Have a little escapism, if you will. It took me about a week to beat it since I can only really play at night. The journey was interesting I guess. It was really short, but it had its fair share of highs and lows. It wasn't nearly as impressive as its predecessors, though that is a forgivable sin. But that ending... That... freaking ending... The ending was so jaw-droppingly horrible that I felt like someone had snatched the heart out of my chest and squeezed the blood from the tissue right in front of me. I don't mean to be graphic, but that's pretty much what it was like. I felt awful, about as badly as I did when my cat died last year. 

So I sat in my chair for about 30 minutes sipping from a cup of tea trying to rationalize all of what I had just seen. What did I just play? Did any of that make sense? What happened? Did I really spend $200 on this series just to see it go out like that? There were no answers to be had. No closure. No ending. The game just abruptly stopped.


I am a female gamer.

I know people's eyes gloss over when they see someone say that, and they probably think to themselves "Oh boy, here we go..." But I bring this up to make a point. Games in general do not typically have positive depictions of women. Heroines usually have really huge boobs, no personality, and spend the entire course of the game pining for men. That's great and all, but that's also why I am a casual gamer. I don't really want to spend my time and money on a video game only to have the worst aspects of my gender thrown back in my face. If I wanted that, I'd just watch Jersey Shore or the Kardashians. 

This is PRECISELY why I loved the Mass Effect series, however. Here you have a woman in her mid-30s. She's strong, sassy, intelligent and capable. Attractive, but not a super model. She obtained her position through dedication, hard work and loyalty, not T&A. She's everything a gamer like myself look to as an example of a proper female character, or even as a role model. Throughout my time playing the series, I kept thinking in my head "God, dude, I wish I could have that kind of confidence." When you have people in real life relating to fictional characters you have created out of thin air, that is ABSOLUTELY a mark of success as far as creativity goes.

So imagine my surprise and the hurt that I felt when all that tension and emotional investment I built up for the characters over the years, especially for Shepard, gets suddenly and unceremoniously tossed out the window in the matter of five minutes, full-stop. The game is just over. Thanks for the $60 bux. Buy our DLC. 

That is not how you close out an epic series. That is not how out reward dedicated fans who have spent their time and hard-earned cash supporting your company. It's a lazy slap in the face. The ending was something you would expect an intern to turn in to make a deadline rather than a seasoned professional with years of writing expertise. I haven't been this disappointed with a product in a long time. Now the series is over. It's done. Gone. I'll never get to see Shepard in action again, or Liara, or Garrus, or any of the others. The universe they exist in cannot be resurrected due to the decisions made by the writers. And that's what hurts the most.

It's not that the series is over that bothers me. All stories must inevitably come to an end. What bothers me is that it was ended in such a way that it is impossible to even begin to hope for another. All positive feelings and whispy dreams of life in such a future world have been mercilessly crushed. 

I'm coming away from this series heart-broken and depressed. I've tried doing a few multiplayer matches since finishing the main plot, but my taste for that has turned to bitter ash, as well. It's just... over. I'll probably uninstall it and go back to playing 'safe' things now, never again returning to RPGs. I don't want to run the risk of getting burned like this again.

I am a male gamer.
Me too works and only played late at night.
And I agree with everything you said about how this game made you feel. 
At the ending cutscene I remembered how I felt when a real relative person of mine died.After that day I remembered that that way I also felt when I was watching Lion King at the scene where Simba is over Mufasa's dead body,at year of maybe less than 10 old.
I know how it feels.
But don't get your hopes down. There are other more rpgs with more gratifying endings that are not sad,like Skyrim.

Anyway,let's all have a moment of silence for Shepard. 

I'm not so sure you understood the OP's intentions. And sorry for your loss.

Modifié par Rogue1982, 20 mars 2012 - 04:40 .

[FubarCFSnafu]

 That is why the final boss Marauder Shields was there, he was trying to stop you from seeing the ending, instead, Cmdr Shepard shot his head off. He couldn't communicate with you normally (strange electronic noises come out instead) and tried to disarm you in warning.

Modifié par FubarCFSnafu, 20 mars 2012 - 05:01 .

[Thatguyky]

I think this feeling is pretty universal, sadly

[foo man chew]

Hurt to watch because their bad.

[Ghost of a Messiah]

Don't worry guys it gets better. I'm almost half way through the first game... I'm almost fully recovered from the utter depression I've been feeling. just keep in mind that playing the good parts of the games is its own reward. I have hope that 3's end will be fixed. Until it is I will hold the line. I will hold the line for the trilogy, I will hold the line for Bioware. I will hold the line for Shepard and I will hold the line for you! I hold the line because I must! I must because It's what Shepard would do!

WWSD! Hold the Line! Hold the Line Because you must! And on the day that Shepard returns to us let it because we did not fail him! Let it be we have faith! Let it be because we HELD THE LINE!