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[Cuddlezarro]

the black widow is wonderful as is the wraith (once I got the wraith on ym vanguard I never looked back)

[DemGeth]

The pistol is AMAZING, it's like a tiny portable sniper rifle if you set it up with a scope.

[Rath_01]

They are all great especially the pistol.

[mmmu]

Personally loved Wraith for my Vanguard. There are other great shotguns, but it seemed to suit me best. Also approved of the gold texture - shiny!

[DireCyphre]

They are definitely improvements on similar weapons, and more suitable to some classes versus others. I definitely found the Black Widow most useful as an Infiltrator; zoom in, take the shot, zoom out, rinse and repeat. 3 shots off in quick succession and super accuracy. It didn't really do that much less damage than the Widow near as I can tell, but I always use the extended barrel for the damage bonus.

The Wraith was nice if you weren't already using something that suited you better. I preferred the Graal, despite projectile speed. There are a lot of trade offs between the different shotguns, whether accuracy, damage, clip size, or weight. As a Vanguard, the Graal made the most sense, especially with the ability to charge up each shot. Disciple was just as fun and fast, but I came to find I liked the spread of the Graal's accuracy in the long run, especially lighting up targets with incendiary ammo.

[Jazharah]

So far I've only been using the Paladin on my Adept, and loving it. Scoped + armor penetration mod + armor penetrating ammo = no need for pull or shockwave since I can practically shoot through 1.5m of cover, not to mention it obliterates banshees and brutes.

[Bio D]

The Paladin is pretty sweet, but I had a very hard time letting go of the Scorpion.

[Ajirasan]

Black Widow is so sweet. No one is safe!

[TudorWolf]

Paladin is awesome. I got that with my Adept.

Really helps with the tougher enemy types like Banshees and Brutes and it barely weighs anything. Stick a scope on it and you're laughing

[I Tsunayoshi I]

I'm 2 for 3 right now on my current run through the game. I got the Paladin first so my Adept can have its backup "I win" button and just recently pulled the Black Widow + upgrades to level 5.

With me having 100+k with Thessia coming up, I think I could get the Wraith before I hit the end of the game.

[OniGanon]

For all the raving about the Black Widow, it's actually pretty pointless for an Infiltrator if you have access to the N7 Valiant pre-order weapon. The Valiant will kill the vast majority of enemies in the exact same number of shots, shoots faster, weighs less and you get it for free.

The Paladin could be interesting for classes that need a powerful, precise, long ranged weapon but cannot afford the weight of a Sniper Rifle. Not sure it's really worth such a heavy cost over the Carnifex though.

[Dusk1976]

OniGanon wrote...

For all the raving about the Black Widow, it's actually pretty pointless for an Infiltrator if you have access to the N7 Valiant pre-order weapon. The Valiant will kill the vast majority of enemies in the exact same number of shots, shoots faster, weighs less and you get it for free.

Except the Valiant wasn't a pre-order bonus, it was a Collector's Edition bonus. All the CEs just sold out in pre-order this time. Given the popularity this time, I'm surprised a second CE (or Limited Edition) wasn't offered.

While I loved my M-98 in ME2, the Black Widow is superior due to the three shot clip. With the Level 5 Concentration Mod, I can usually get off two shots before the time dilation wears off. Though I wish you could assign the M-13 Raptor as an Assault Rifle so both are available at the same time.

Modifié par Dusk1976, 20 mars 2012 - 01:46 .

[Atheist Peace]

The paladin is the best of them in my opinion, the other 2 are good but i wouldn't go out of my way to get them.

[EAadembroski]

CrazyCatDude wrote...

Not sure about the Black Widow, but the Paladin is definitely worth it if you use a pistol. It's easily the best pistol in the game. Head and Shoulders above the Carnifex. The Black Widow is heavy, but it plays like a Mantis with 3 shots. I can't tell you how it compares on the Battle Field, because I've just done Vanguard runs. No sniper rifles for me.

Is it better than the one with unlimited ammo that can kill the final boss in two shots?

[Athenau]

The Black Widow in the hands of an infiltrator who knows how to cloak/sprint/melee cancel the reload animation is the most OP weapon in the game.

[Ice Cold J]

I WAS able to get all three, but I didn't uise the shotgun (being an adept, that'd weigh me down too much).
Black Widow is definitely worth it. The extended clip alone makes it a HUGE upgrade.
Paladin vs. Hand cannon? Too close to call. Very similar. But i got the Paladin in MP and it seems a BIT better.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Chiming in to say I managed to buy all three in a single playthrough. Paladin first for being cheaper and useful for my Adept as a replacement for the Eagle. Black Widow to make Garrus and Ashley beastly on sniper duty. Just got the Wraith just because even though my usual shotgun users get 0 time due to not having the same utility as setting up multiple combos in seconds or defense stripping as well as my usual go to squadmates.

Either way, Any credits I get now will be devoted to picking up the preset armors to finish off my entire collection of stuff to get.

[Mourne748]

I feel the Black Widow IS worth it. Once you get that sucker leveled up with attachments and whatnot, and you practice your aim/good already, then a bunch of your headshots will kill instantaneously. I used it in hardcore and by the end, I was killing Marauders in one hit, harvesters in about 5 or 6 (aiming for the head), and Banshees... Still tough as ever.

It's really nice if you'd like to deal a LOT of damage real quick with a bit of stopping power. For me, it's tied with the Javelin.

EDIT: And fights have the tendency to end quicker. 

Modifié par Mourne748, 21 mars 2012 - 03:30 .

[BigBad]

Black Widow is alright if you want more than one shot per clip, but honestly, the Widow and the Javelin are better, especially for squadmates, who have infinite ammo.

I bought the Black Widow, but I've never actually used it. Garrus has an upgraded Widow (and infinite ammo), I've got an upgraded Javelin (with free scope mod effect), and I've never felt an absolute need to fire more than once per reload as long as I stick to headshots.

[bennyjammin79]

Wraith. Is. Boss.

[Gold Dragon]

DemGeth wrote...

The pistol is AMAZING, it's like a tiny portable sniper rifle if you set it up with a scope.

I earned the Hijacker Achievement (Steal An Atlas in battle) with the Paladin & Scope (Extended mag, too)

[Athenau]

BigBad wrote...

Black Widow is alright if you want more than one shot per clip, but honestly, the Widow and the Javelin are better, especially for squadmates, who have infinite ammo.

I bought the Black Widow, but I've never actually used it. Garrus has an upgraded Widow (and infinite ammo), I've got an upgraded Javelin (with free scope mod effect), and I've never felt an absolute need to fire more than once per reload as long as I stick to headshots.

What?  The black widow destroys the widow and the javelin.  On insanity the fact that damage doesn't bleed through defenses makes the extra damage from the widow and javelin useless (since you'll always need at least two shots to kill).  Meanwhile, standard enemies without protection get one shotted either way, so 3 shots from the BW means 3 dead enemies vs 1.  Vs single hard targets (brutes, banshees, Atlas) the black widow has much higher dps since you don't have to reload after every shot.

There's literally not a single scenario where the Widow/Javelin are better than BW.  It's not even close.

[SuperMedbh]

Black Widow was the awesomesauce for my infiltrator. Tough guys, you need the extra shots, and it's rapid enough that you can get them off. And if I was faced with a swarm cannibals or what not, I could pick off three at a time-- exactly the situation where with my ME2 Widow I'd be switching to my SMG or pistol to deal with the numbers.

Since ammo is everywhere in ME3, if I do an infiltrator again, I may just go with just the BW, no sidearm. It's that good.

[Mourne748]

SuperMedbh wrote...

Since ammo is everywhere in ME3, if I do an infiltrator again, I may just go with just the BW, no sidearm. It's that good.

I dunno, I can recall a few times where my sidearm definately came in handy. 

And a tip when using the BW, if you shoot, scope out, then scope back in, that can bypass the time that you have to wait for the next shot.

For the sake of the thread... I recommend trying it out, at least.

[SuperMedbh]

Mourne748 wrote...
And a tip when using the BW, if you shoot, scope out, then scope back in, that can bypass the time that you have to wait for the next shot.

For the sake of the thread... I recommend trying it out, at least.

Thanks!