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[Phydeaux314]

It's sort of moot, anyway - as a Spectre, you're outside the Alliance chain of command anyway.

[Zofiya]

InfiniteDemise wrote...

Are the ranks ever explicitly spelled out? They aren't in ME3.

From the codex in the first game:

OFFICERS
2nd Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
Staff Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Staff Commander
Captain/Major
Rear Admiral/General
Admiral
Fleet Admiral

Kaidan is part of the Alliance Marines, as is Ashley, hence he is Major Alenko, not Captain Alenko. The division between marine forces and naval personnel is small; marines constitute the Alliance Navy's ground forces, and ships carry marine details for ground operations.

If you talk to Kaidan after Eden Prime in ME1, he says, "We're marines, we stick together", indicating that Shepard is also a marine, but I don't think this is explicitly stated elsewhere.

[DrDetective]

There is no rank just called "Commander."

[thealgebraist]

The Navy rank of Commander is roughly equal to the Army rank of Lt Colonel. Major is an Army rank. A rank that is one whole step below Lt Colonel.

Shepard outranks Kaiden.

[Sefriol]

Shepard jokes a lot that Alenko is higher ranked ingame. Not directly though. Still Shepard is the commander of the ship so he has full authority towards anyone on board.

[DrDetective]

IT'S NOT THE UNITED STATES. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS? LOOK AT THE CODEX, OR ONE OF THE POSTS QUOTING IT.

[DrDetective]

Oh, and the marines are part of the navy. Their ranks are differentiated by the slash marks in the codex.

[thealgebraist]

DrDetective wrote...

There is no rank just called "Commander."

The rank is not always hyphenate, it does exist on it's own. But in navel terms it's appropriate for shepard because he becomes the commander of a frigate (one of three real classes of ship a commander would have.)

[Shanook]

According to the in-game Codex, yes, Major outranks Commander in the Systems Alliance. But Kaidan would listen to Shepard because a) it's Shepard's ship and he respects him/her.

[niamhdannan]

DrDetective wrote...

Wait, a fictional government from over a century in the future having its own ranking system for its officers is stupid?

No, a fictional goverment having a ranking system that is completely contrary to the standard ranking systems uses by most modern militaries (upon which you would logically expect any future pan-human military to be based for purposes of familiarity, continuity, and cooperation) is stupid.

The rankings systems make no sense when compared to the present-day military rankings from which you'd think they'd be derived. http://en.wikipedia...._military_ranks  Making up something that completely turns accepted ranks/hierarchies upside-down (ie an army/marine Major being equal in rank to a navy Captain) always struck me as sloppy and poorly thought-through. If only I'd known...

[Artking3]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Stupid Google Chrome. Fixing this.

In case it hasn't already been posted...

ENLISTED

Serviceman 3rd class/Private 2nd class
Serviceman 2nd class/Private 1st class
Serviceman 1st class/Corporal

NCOs

Service Chief
Gunnery Chief
Operations Chief

OFFICERS

2nd Lieutenant
1st Lieutenant
Staff Lieutenant
Lieutenant Commander
Staff Commander
Captain/Major
Rear Admiral/General
Admiral
Fleet Admiral

Strange that they left out Colonel, Sergeant, and a whole bunch of other ranks.  The ranks are a little messed up. 

[HairyMadDog1010]

He is a Spectre he out ranks everyone but the councle.

[DrDetective]

thealgebraist wrote...

DrDetective wrote...

There is no rank just called "Commander."

The rank is not always hyphenate, it does exist on it's own. But in navel terms it's appropriate for shepard because he becomes the commander of a frigate (one of three real classes of ship a commander would have.)

The only ranks with the word "commander" in them are Staff Commander and Lieutenent Commander.  This is not the United States military, as I've said multiple times.  Please consult the codex from the first game.  It has been quoted several times in this thread.

[Red Dust]

Some people think they can out-rank me..

...Maybe...Maybe..

..I have yet to meet one that can out rank a bullet..

MEET THE SHEPARD, TEAM FORTRESS 2

[Leafs43]

 Shepherd's equivalent army rank is colonel.

Colonel > major.

[I can Hackett]

Kaiden was never Lt Cmndr he was a 1st Lt or 2nd Lt I cant remember

[TheMerchantMan]

He's quite explicitly named CO of the Normandy by Anderson and Hackett. Before anything else that makes him the ranking officer on board. Kaiden would likely be the XO however.

[DrDetective]

niamhdannan wrote...

DrDetective wrote...

Wait, a fictional government from over a century in the future having its own ranking system for its officers is stupid?

No, a fictional goverment having a ranking system that is completely contrary to the standard ranking systems uses by most modern militaries (upon which you would logically expect any future pan-human military to be based for purposes of familiarity, continuity, and cooperation) is stupid.

The rankings systems make no sense when compared to the present-day military rankings from which you'd think they'd be derived. http://en.wikipedia...._military_ranks  Making up something that completely turns accepted ranks/hierarchies upside-down (ie an army/marine Major being equal in rank to a navy Captain) always struck me as sloppy and poorly thought-through. If only I'd known...

It doesn't matter what the current trends are.  The Systems Alliance won't exist for another century and a half, in a context we are completely unfamiliar with.  It's not stupid to assume that a completely independent organization from the distant future might not rely on modern militaries for their naming conventions.

[gmboy902]

Maybe he outranks him in rank, but he doesn't outrank him in hardcore badass.

[IntoTheDarkness]

does Shepard ever call Kaiden "sir"? what about the other way around?

[Nykara]

Spectre outranks everything but the council - and it's Shepards ship. Besides I just don't think that Kaidan would boss her around anyhow when they all know whats at stake. Hackett and Anderson issue her directions/give her intell but at the end of the day even they still follow what Shepard suggests because she knows more about the reapers then any of them.

[Nykara]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

does Shepard ever call Kaiden "sir"? what about the other way around?

My Shepard and Kaidan seemed to pretty well be on a first name basis in ME3!

[DrDetective]

To summarize: Officially, Kaiden is a higher rank than Shepard. Kaiden defers to Shepard out of respect and possibly, depending on how far you are on the Renegade scale, fear.

[jkflipflopDAO]

Kaiden may technically be higher rank according to the Alliance, but they're both Spectres. Spectre kind of overrides everything else. As mentioned before, Shep outranks Hackett.

Modifié par jkflipflopDAO, 19 mars 2012 - 01:05 .

[Insidiae]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Kaiden may technically be higher rank according to the Alliance, but they're both Spectres. Spectre kind of overrides everything else. As mentioned before, Shep outranks Hackett.

Thinking like that is quite illogical. Just because they are spectres does not mean they can tell the alliance militairy what to do. The spectres (and with it the council) and the alliance are two sepperate origanisations and therefore do not answer to each other in any way.

- I might add since shepard and kaiden are a "member" of both, they individually have to deal with both.

Modifié par Insidiae, 19 mars 2012 - 01:09 .