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[Mitra]

It's useless to comment threads like this.
You like the "ending"? Okay, that's your right to like it. But then, I must ask you: do you even get what is ME all about? Oh yes, several hundred hours did their job..... poorly for you,OP. Or maybe you are a strange, strange person with low sights, weak emotions or you just like devastation endings, destroyed franchises or to play stupid in some cases, or sarcastic.
I hope you did get the ME story so far...
I hope you will not wake up tomorrow and see how "strange" the ending was, asking yourself "maybe I was wrong....."

Modifié par Mitra, 19 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[saracen16]

Conduit0 wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

I'm really laughing right now, its amazing how one post can completely destroy all the PR work the Retake ME3 movement has done. When your reaction to an opinion that differs from your own is to call them a troll, belittle, and insult them, it demostrates just how childish you really are.

You keep holding that line, as it drags you off the edge of the cliff.

I don't recall belittling or insulting anyone.

Even if you personally did not, it doesn't change the fact that this thread is largely 9 pages(and counting) of people accusing the OP of being a troll, telling the OP that their opinion is wrong, which is pretty darn insulting by its self might I add, or basicly telling the OP that he/she is too stupid to understand why the ending is bad.

...and that does not make for good debate.

[shurryy]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

[saracen16]

Mitra wrote...

It's useless to comment threads like this.
You like the "ending"? Okay, that's your right to like it. But then, I must ask you: do you even get what is ME all about? Oh yes, several hundred hours did their job..... poorly for you,OP. Or maybe you are a strange, strange person with low sights, weak emotions or you just like devastation endings, destroyed franchises or to play stupid in some cases, or sarcastic.
I hope you did get the ME story so far...
I hope you will not wake up tomorrow and see how "strange" the ending was, maybe I was wrong.....

You saw the ending in a different light than other people. So did I. So did the OP.

And don't assume that you and the "retake Mass Effect" crowd are the only people who love ME more than anyone because it is insulting to us who loved the franchise from start to finish, put a lot of thought into it, and loved every minute of your journey right up to the end.

[tenojitsu]

I think the OP just trolled himself without knowing it

[Mister Mida]

Good for you, OP.

[AlexXIV]

saracen16 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Tbh the 'you develop along the patterns we desire' is also BS. Pretty much history teaches us that picking up on advanced technologies from other cultures never had this kind of effect. More like, they will adopt it to their own culture and something new comes from it. The whole 'Reaper tech is dangerous' thing is made pointless by the ending anyway. Because the Crusible is Reaper tech and it is used to enable one of the 3 choices you get. Bad point is bad.

I disagree: the Prothean beacons were discovered when other species discovered spaceflight.

And where did you get the idea that Crucible is Reaper tech? I must have missed something, because it is a superweapon that has been developed by countless civilizations.

The race of the starchild planned it. It is their 'solution'. Yes, countless species worked on it. Countless species also used the Citadel and the mass relays. Crucible, catalyst, Citadel. It is all the plan of the AI or whatever that controls the Reapers. Do you think the species who worked on the Crucible did build something that could change creation itself? That could turn organics into cyborgs? I don't think so.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 19 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[AlexXIV]

saracen16 wrote...

Mitra wrote...

It's useless to comment threads like this.
You like the "ending"? Okay, that's your right to like it. But then, I must ask you: do you even get what is ME all about? Oh yes, several hundred hours did their job..... poorly for you,OP. Or maybe you are a strange, strange person with low sights, weak emotions or you just like devastation endings, destroyed franchises or to play stupid in some cases, or sarcastic.
I hope you did get the ME story so far...
I hope you will not wake up tomorrow and see how "strange" the ending was, maybe I was wrong.....

You saw the ending in a different light than other people. So did I. So did the OP.

And don't assume that you and the "retake Mass Effect" crowd are the only people who love ME more than anyone because it is insulting to us who loved the franchise from start to finish, put a lot of thought into it, and loved every minute of your journey right up to the end.

The point is that you have not put a lot of thought to it.

[Stegoceras]

If you had no problem with the ending it's best to move on, read nothing about the matter and erase it from your mind, I wish I could have done that, but with me the ramifications of the ending already started to creep up on me while the credits were rolling and I started pondering the meaning of it all. It really only gets worse when you start going down that path.

[crymzenassassin]

why do you "retake mass effect" people who claim to love the series so much..have to try and ruin it for others? the OP likes it..and all i see are comments like "he trolled himself" or "it must be sarcasm" its like you guys can't just let someone like it...you have to try and turn them away from liking it.

give it a rest..you don't like it fair enough, go along with your little mission but don't try and drag others who actualy like it down to your level please.

you can say "if you liked it just don't say anything or read anything and move on" well same goes for you guys who didn't like it..you can't have one rule for you and another for everyone else

Modifié par crymzenassassin, 19 mars 2012 - 09:58 .

[saracen16]

AlexXIV wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Mitra wrote...

It's useless to comment threads like this.
You like the "ending"? Okay, that's your right to like it. But then, I must ask you: do you even get what is ME all about? Oh yes, several hundred hours did their job..... poorly for you,OP. Or maybe you are a strange, strange person with low sights, weak emotions or you just like devastation endings, destroyed franchises or to play stupid in some cases, or sarcastic.
I hope you did get the ME story so far...
I hope you will not wake up tomorrow and see how "strange" the ending was, maybe I was wrong.....

You saw the ending in a different light than other people. So did I. So did the OP.

And don't assume that you and the "retake Mass Effect" crowd are the only people who love ME more than anyone because it is insulting to us who loved the franchise from start to finish, put a lot of thought into it, and loved every minute of your journey right up to the end.

The point is that you have not put a lot of thought to it.

Actually, I did.

[Torrible]

crymzenassassin wrote...

why do you "retake mass effect" people who claim to love the series so much..have to try and ruin it for others? the OP likes it..and all i see are comments like "he trolled himself" or "it must be sarcasm" its like you guys can't just let someone like it...you have to try and turn them away from liking it.

give it a rest..you don't like it fair enough, go along with your little mission but don't try and drag others who actualy like it down to your level please

This. Misery loves company.

[saracen16]

AlexXIV wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Tbh the 'you develop along the patterns we desire' is also BS. Pretty much history teaches us that picking up on advanced technologies from other cultures never had this kind of effect. More like, they will adopt it to their own culture and something new comes from it. The whole 'Reaper tech is dangerous' thing is made pointless by the ending anyway. Because the Crusible is Reaper tech and it is used to enable one of the 3 choices you get. Bad point is bad.

I disagree: the Prothean beacons were discovered when other species discovered spaceflight.

And where did you get the idea that Crucible is Reaper tech? I must have missed something, because it is a superweapon that has been developed by countless civilizations.

The race of the starchild planned it. It is their 'solution'. Yes, countless species worked on it. Countless species also used the Citadel and the mass relays. Crucible, catalyst, Citadel. It is all the plan of the AI or whatever that controls the Reapers. Do you think the species who worked on the Crucible did build something that could change creation itself? That could turn organics into cyborgs? I don't think so.

Where does it say that Starchild planned the Crucible? The Crucible was in blueprints by the beginning of the game but was completed by the end of ME3. And why the hell not? Prothean technology and that of the races who designed the Crucible was never completely understood since ME1, and it's clear that no one understood the tech of the Crucible either because it was advanced. They just followed the blueprints and built it. So yeah, I do think that the Crucible can change organics into organo-synthetics. Of course, I think that within the confines of the story.

[AlexXIV]

saracen16 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Mitra wrote...

It's useless to comment threads like this.
You like the "ending"? Okay, that's your right to like it. But then, I must ask you: do you even get what is ME all about? Oh yes, several hundred hours did their job..... poorly for you,OP. Or maybe you are a strange, strange person with low sights, weak emotions or you just like devastation endings, destroyed franchises or to play stupid in some cases, or sarcastic.
I hope you did get the ME story so far...
I hope you will not wake up tomorrow and see how "strange" the ending was, maybe I was wrong.....

You saw the ending in a different light than other people. So did I. So did the OP.

And don't assume that you and the "retake Mass Effect" crowd are the only people who love ME more than anyone because it is insulting to us who loved the franchise from start to finish, put a lot of thought into it, and loved every minute of your journey right up to the end.

The point is that you have not put a lot of thought to it.

Actually, I did.

I guess that's why you have all the answers for the questions people have about the ending, huh? Oh I know. USE YOUR IMAGINATION. Trust me, same as DA2, devs will at some point admit that the game was rushed and the ending is that bad because they were running out of time. Just not today or tomorrow, because that would harm the sales. But in a couple of month if you still dare to stick your head out for Bioware it will be Bioware themselves who chop it off. I have read enough threads in the past week here to be fully convinced that this ending is not even what Bioware wanted.

[crymzenassassin]

saracen16 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Tbh the 'you develop along the patterns we desire' is also BS. Pretty much history teaches us that picking up on advanced technologies from other cultures never had this kind of effect. More like, they will adopt it to their own culture and something new comes from it. The whole 'Reaper tech is dangerous' thing is made pointless by the ending anyway. Because the Crusible is Reaper tech and it is used to enable one of the 3 choices you get. Bad point is bad.

I disagree: the Prothean beacons were discovered when other species discovered spaceflight.

And where did you get the idea that Crucible is Reaper tech? I must have missed something, because it is a superweapon that has been developed by countless civilizations.

The race of the starchild planned it. It is their 'solution'. Yes, countless species worked on it. Countless species also used the Citadel and the mass relays. Crucible, catalyst, Citadel. It is all the plan of the AI or whatever that controls the Reapers. Do you think the species who worked on the Crucible did build something that could change creation itself? That could turn organics into cyborgs? I don't think so.

Where does it say that Starchild planned the Crucible? The Crucible was in blueprints by the beginning of the game but was completed by the end of ME3. And why the hell not? Prothean technology and that of the races who designed the Crucible was never completely understood since ME1, and it's clear that no one understood the tech of the Crucible either because it was advanced. They just followed the blueprints and built it. So yeah, I do think that the Crucible can change organics into organo-synthetics. Of course, I think that within the confines of the story.

this. the starchild actualy says in game that the crucible changed things..it opened up more options

[Conduit0]

AlexXIV wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Tbh the 'you develop along the patterns we desire' is also BS. Pretty much history teaches us that picking up on advanced technologies from other cultures never had this kind of effect. More like, they will adopt it to their own culture and something new comes from it. The whole 'Reaper tech is dangerous' thing is made pointless by the ending anyway. Because the Crusible is Reaper tech and it is used to enable one of the 3 choices you get. Bad point is bad.

I disagree: the Prothean beacons were discovered when other species discovered spaceflight.

And where did you get the idea that Crucible is Reaper tech? I must have missed something, because it is a superweapon that has been developed by countless civilizations.

The race of the starchild planned it. It is their 'solution'. Yes, countless species worked on it. Countless species also used the Citadel and the mass relays. Crucible, catalyst, Citadel. It is all the plan of the AI or whatever that controls the Reapers. Do you think the species who worked on the Crucible did build something that could change creation itself? That could turn organics into cyborgs? I don't think so.

So, what your saying is that the Catalyst knew from the beginning that its solution was flawed, but lacked the ability to implament a better one. So instead it left a blueprint for the crusible, in the hope that future generations of organics would one day succeed where the catalyst failed and bring an end to the flawed solution and create a new future for the galaxy...

Huh, congratulations, you just cast the accursed Starchild in a much better light. 

I hope this doesn't lead to you being stripped of your membership in the Retake ME3 movement.

[Omilophile]

saracen16 wrote...

And don't assume that you and the "retake Mass Effect" crowd are the only people who love ME more than anyone because it is insulting to us who loved the franchise from start to finish, put a lot of thought into it, and loved every minute of your journey right up to the end.

Try not to let the crazies ruin your perception of us. I, for one, also loved the franchise from start to finish. Did I think the ending was poor in comparison to the rest and that it left too much unanswered? Yes. But I am still an avid fan and the ending did not "ruin the series" for me like so many are saying. All I'm feeling is a little disappointment. I made a comment and then proceeded to defend my statement in this thread. That's it.

[Swisspease]

Crymzenassassin, you are not seeing the forest through the trees. If you look you will see that the op was having a civil discussion with several people. If all you see is trolling then you are not reading the entire thread

[saracen16]

AlexXIV wrote...

I guess that's why you have all the answers for the questions people have about the ending, huh? Oh I know. USE YOUR IMAGINATION.

It's not "imagination" if you actually think about what has happened over the past 100+ hours of playing the entire trilogy and how your choices will affect the future of the galaxy. You are given answers as to how your choices affect the one you are in, but once you are dead, all you can think about are how the people you saved and the people you loved will go on without you.

Trust me, same as DA2, devs will at some point admit that the game was rushed and the ending is that bad because they were running out of time. Just not today or tomorrow, because that would harm the sales. But in a couple of month if you still dare to stick your head out for Bioware it will be Bioware themselves who chop it off. I have read enough threads in the past week here to be fully convinced that this ending is not even what Bioware wanted.

I disagree, and I don't think they will: they've announced over Twitter and over the boards that they already had a set goal with the ending, and that they even cut the ending short for a reason. They will keep wanting your feedback, but they never said anything explicitly about changing the ending.

[crymzenassassin]

Swisspease wrote...

Crymzenassassin, you are not seeing the forest through the trees. If you look you will see that the op was having a civil discussion with several people. If all you see is trolling then you are not reading the entire thread

my comment was directed to those who were not being civil, wich from what i have seen over various threads seems to be the majority of the "retake mass effect" crowd on BSN.

im all for having a good conversation about disagreements etc.. but i have no patience for BS

[AlexXIV]

saracen16 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Tbh the 'you develop along the patterns we desire' is also BS. Pretty much history teaches us that picking up on advanced technologies from other cultures never had this kind of effect. More like, they will adopt it to their own culture and something new comes from it. The whole 'Reaper tech is dangerous' thing is made pointless by the ending anyway. Because the Crusible is Reaper tech and it is used to enable one of the 3 choices you get. Bad point is bad.

I disagree: the Prothean beacons were discovered when other species discovered spaceflight.

And where did you get the idea that Crucible is Reaper tech? I must have missed something, because it is a superweapon that has been developed by countless civilizations.

The race of the starchild planned it. It is their 'solution'. Yes, countless species worked on it. Countless species also used the Citadel and the mass relays. Crucible, catalyst, Citadel. It is all the plan of the AI or whatever that controls the Reapers. Do you think the species who worked on the Crucible did build something that could change creation itself? That could turn organics into cyborgs? I don't think so.

Where does it say that Starchild planned the Crucible? The Crucible was in blueprints by the beginning of the game but was completed by the end of ME3. And why the hell not? Prothean technology and that of the races who designed the Crucible was never completely understood since ME1, and it's clear that no one understood the tech of the Crucible either because it was advanced. They just followed the blueprints and built it. So yeah, I do think that the Crucible can change organics into organo-synthetics. Of course, I think that within the confines of the story.

Of course nobody understood it. They only had blueprints to something that was too high for them. Because it wasn't their plan, they just stumbled on it. Like all species before. Like all species before found the Citadel. The starchild says itself that the Citadel is it's home. And we have brought it back. It wasn't a weapon, never. And especially not one Shepard or anyone but the starchild could have used. The whole point was to check if the solution of the AI worked. And when Shepard got there ... more or less alive, the solution was proven wrong, so they had to change it.

Hell why do I have to explain the ending you, smartass? You claim you have thought everything through and enjoy it and you don't get the simple reasoning Bioware had. That's not even why the ending is bad. The ending is bad because of false assumptions of the startchild on the nature of life itself and the nature of organics and synthetics. It is called technophobia, and and pretty much an invention of the 2nd half of the 20th century. Just that in ME it's machines who protect organics from being wiped out by machines by wiping out organics and thereby prevent evolution itself ever being able to ascend on own terms. They simply meddle with the nature of things out of fear that nature, by itself, would fail. Actually they even claim that nature itself is predestined to fail. Which is BS, if only for the reason that if you never get to see how it ends, how can you know it ends badly?

[AlexXIV]

saracen16 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

I guess that's why you have all the answers for the questions people have about the ending, huh? Oh I know. USE YOUR IMAGINATION.

It's not "imagination" if you actually think about what has happened over the past 100+ hours of playing the entire trilogy and how your choices will affect the future of the galaxy. You are given answers as to how your choices affect the one you are in, but once you are dead, all you can think about are how the people you saved and the people you loved will go on without you.

Trust me, same as DA2, devs will at some point admit that the game was rushed and the ending is that bad because they were running out of time. Just not today or tomorrow, because that would harm the sales. But in a couple of month if you still dare to stick your head out for Bioware it will be Bioware themselves who chop it off. I have read enough threads in the past week here to be fully convinced that this ending is not even what Bioware wanted.

I disagree, and I don't think they will: they've announced over Twitter and over the boards that they already had a set goal with the ending, and that they even cut the ending short for a reason. They will keep wanting your feedback, but they never said anything explicitly about changing the ending.

How dense are you? I will bold the part that you missed.

[Omilophile]

Please only quote relevant posts and delete the rest. Reply pyramids are a horrific eye-straining nightmare.

[saracen16]

AlexXIV wrote...

Of course nobody understood it. They only had blueprints to something that was too high for them. Because it wasn't their plan, they just stumbled on it. Like all species before. Like all species before found the Citadel. The starchild says itself that the Citadel is it's home. And we have brought it back. It wasn't a weapon, never. And especially not one Shepard or anyone but the starchild could have used. The whole point was to check if the solution of the AI worked. And when Shepard got there ... more or less alive, the solution was proven wrong, so they had to change it.

You raise a few good points, but there is no evidence in game that suggests this. Blueprints had to start from somewhere, and it had to start from an advanced race. It could be the Catalyst's race, and it could be the race that came after. But no one knows. It's clear that a race must have began constructing it, not necessarily the same race that Starchild belonged to. Also, Vendetta says that the Crucible was the work of countless cycles, and each cycle added to it or improved upon it.

Hell why do I have to explain the ending you, smartass?

Okay, now THAT's offensive. Take it back, or I won't continue this debate.

[saracen16]

AlexXIV wrote...

How dense are you? I will bold the part that you missed.

Has it occurred to you that BioWare may have not done this just for the money? They never corrected DA2's ending, but they made a lot of money off their DLC. This is just history repeating itself.