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[Darand]

I wish I could feel the same way OP.

[WastelanderTim]

glad you feel that way OP, now if you don't mind many other people would love new alt endings for their sheps, doesn't even have to be canon.

[Cheviot]

byne wrote...

Cheviot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I glad you feel complete knowing your Shepard was a coward who settled for less, those of us who don't will still have to wait for our endings.

How do you figure he was a coward? He set out to do the impossible, destroy the Reapers, and the did it. Against odds that have killed countless other species for countless years. He did it. He was brave enough to take on the biggest bully in the Galaxy, and he won.

Your Shepard did as he was told by a genocidal maniac. You were offered 3 options and a ridiculous justification, and accepted them.
Make no mistake, destroy, control or synth. You did the Reapers' bidding. They determined their plan was no longer viable. They concluded a change. They did. Not Shepard.

Make no mistake, Shepard freed the Milky Way from the Reapers by his sacrifice, whichever way he did it.

Except, with Control, we have no guarantee Shep wont start thinking like the godchild over thousands of years, and just start the cycles all over again, and with Synthesis we have nothing stopping the new Synth/Organic hybrids from creating full synthetics, which would provide justification for the godchild to bring back the cycles.

Only Destroy truly frees the galaxy from the Reapers, at the expense of potentially making you a genocidal monster.

It's a good point, but I suppose it depends on if the Quarians and Geth get along or not.  If they do, then the chances of an organic-synthetic war are heavily reduced, and even if Shep starts thinking like the Catalyst, there'll be no call for it.  It also depends what Shepard decides to do immediately after leaving Sol.  Maybe he leads the Reapers straight into the heart of a sun, or maybe he just keeping going away from the Milky Way, forever.

As for Synthesis, there should presumably be no need for full synthetics since the new hybrids will share the advantages of both sides.  If you talk to EDI in ME2, at one point she discusses the advantages of both Joker and herself sharing control of the Normandy.  I think this principle would hold true in all aspects of life, and would be benefical for both sides (yes, I did choose Synthesis).

[The Night Mammoth]

Synthesis changes nothing.

[ket_shee]

TsaiMeLemoni wrote...

I love how because this person seems to genuinely enjoy the game AND the ending, he must either be a troll, a bioware plant, or too stupid to recognize various plotholes other people have found. That, and the active attempts to persuade him against liking the ending.

What happened to being civil? Is that only for people that share the majority opinion that everything about the games is 100% ****ty and that now the entire franchise is in ruins?

It's almost not worth coming to this forum anymore.

I fully agree.

If you've realized by my signatures, I'm no fan of the endings. But I'm not letting my displeasure seep into someone elses life and let it ruin it for them.

People like what they like for their reasons, telling them they are 'provably wrong' is a fallacy. How can you convince someone, "No you didn't like it, you are lying to yourself?" In what real world scenario does that work without brainwashing?

Accept others liked the ending, do not belittle them for their opinions and do not try to persuade them otherwise. Feel free to voice your opinion in a "I feel so and so was unsatisfactory," but do not sour their experience unnecessarily.

Some are falling Out Of Line when they should be Holding the Line.

Modifié par ket_shee, 19 mars 2012 - 03:26 .

[Cheviot]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Synthesis changes nothing.

Changes a lot, actually.  Machines get true consciousness.  Organisms get shared consciousness.  There is no longer the suspicion that causes the apocolyptic wars.

[ket_shee]

Cheviot wrote...

Changes a lot, actually.  Machines get true consciousness.  Organisms get shared consciousness.  There is no longer the suspicion that causes the apocolyptic wars.

I didn't think of that, good point.

After pondering on it, I thought of this.

Maybe Synthesis isn't such a good idea, either? Just maybe's talking though.

EDIT: Oops wrong link, changed.

Modifié par ket_shee, 19 mars 2012 - 03:38 .

[SpiderFan1217]

The Angry One wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I glad you feel complete knowing your Shepard was a coward who settled for less, those of us who don't will still have to wait for our endings.

How do you figure he was a coward? He set out to do the impossible, destroy the Reapers, and the did it. Against odds that have killed countless other species for countless years. He did it. He was brave enough to take on the biggest bully in the Galaxy, and he won.

Your Shepard did as he was told by a genocidal maniac. You were offered 3 options and a ridiculous justification, and accepted them.
Make no mistake, destroy, control or synth. You did the Reapers' bidding. They determined their plan was no longer viable. They concluded a change. They did. Not Shepard.

Other then letting everyone else die, there was nothing else that could have been done. It was already established that we couldn't beat the Reapers conventionaly and that the Crucible was our only hope.

[SpiderFan1217]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Ok please to explain what happend with Joker. I'm not calling you out on anything I jus twant your view on why Joker did what he did at the end?

There was a huge a** explosion and, if you pay attention some on the com says to get out of there. I think it was Hackett or the BBS. He picked up my squad, which lived btw, and pulled out like he was ordered. I was unconcious so I couldn't escape and board the ship to get out of there. This turns out to be a good thing, as I am able to save the galaxy.

[Radwar]

And all the big plot holes, the fact that all endings are practically similar and that everything you did doesn't matter didn't bother you?

Please read this article:
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/
after that, tell me again the ending makes sense.

[sadako]

Guy probably haven't seen the possibilities of greatness that is the ME franchise, thus he is satisfied. Good for him.

I wish i didn't read all the novels, titbits and codex. I'd probably have an easy time swallowing a deux ex machina and plotholes too.

I'm going to name this trilogy Mass Effect : Betrayal.

[SpiderFan1217]

Radwar wrote...

And all the big plot holes, the fact that all endings are practically similar and that everything you did doesn't matter didn't bother you?

Please read this article:
http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/
after that, tell me again the ending makes sense.

My computer keeps aborting the page. What plot-holes are you refering to? Tell my and I may be able to fill them in.

[iamthedave3]

I think it just proves Casey's statement that ME 3 is a good jumping on point for new players

Really it's the people who've been in for the long hall who've gone phospherescent over this. One of my friends liked the ending too, and good for him. I mean, games aren't MEANT to upset us. Just sometimes things go... awry.

[SpiderFan1217]

sadako wrote...

Guy probably haven't seen the possibilities of greatness that is the ME franchise, thus he is satisfied. Good for him.

I wish i didn't read all the novels, titbits and codex. I'd probably have an easy time swallowing a deux ex machina and plotholes too.

I'm going to name this trilogy Mass Effect : Betrayal.

There was no Duex Ex.

[SpiderFan1217]

iamthedave3 wrote...

I think it just proves Casey's statement that ME 3 is a good jumping on point for new players

Really it's the people who've been in for the long hall who've gone phospherescent over this. One of my friends liked the ending too, and good for him. I mean, games aren't MEANT to upset us. Just sometimes things go... awry.

I've been playing since 2007.

[TheMerchantMan]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

sadako wrote...

Guy probably haven't seen the possibilities of greatness that is the ME franchise, thus he is satisfied. Good for him.

I wish i didn't read all the novels, titbits and codex. I'd probably have an easy time swallowing a deux ex machina and plotholes too.

I'm going to name this trilogy Mass Effect : Betrayal.

There was no Duex Ex.

I don't think there is any argument that the Starchild is not a Deus Ex Machina. In fact he is literally a Deus Ex Machina. A God from the Citadel/Catalyst, he also serves that purpose in the story. Having appeared at the last moment to fix everything with his three final solutions.

The fact that the crucible existed before hand does not excuse the Starchilds out of place existence.

[SpiderFan1217]

TheMerchantMan wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

sadako wrote...

Guy probably haven't seen the possibilities of greatness that is the ME franchise, thus he is satisfied. Good for him.

I wish i didn't read all the novels, titbits and codex. I'd probably have an easy time swallowing a deux ex machina and plotholes too.

I'm going to name this trilogy Mass Effect : Betrayal.

There was no Duex Ex.

I don't think there is any argument that the Starchild is not a Deus Ex Machina. In fact he is literally a Deus Ex Machina. A God from the Citadel/Catalyst, he also serves that purpose in the story. Having appeared at the last moment to fix everything with his three final solutions.

The fact that the crucible existed before hand does not excuse the Starchilds out of place existence.

They talked about the Catalyst and the Crucible the entire game, and he's not a god just an AI. Not to mention he didn't fix anything. Shep did.

Modifié par SpiderFan1217, 19 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[ryuasiu]

Eain wrote...

Don't worry, tomorrow you'll wake up and start pondering what you've seen.

It takes longer for some than it does for others, but they all come around.

I have been seeing this too. There alot of plot holes some dont realize after thinking about it or thinking about it some time. I cought some of them my first time but have been catching more. The biggest? What is that massive fleet I brought with me going to do now they are stuck in the sol system?

[SpiderFan1217]

ryuasiu wrote...

Eain wrote...

Don't worry, tomorrow you'll wake up and start pondering what you've seen.

It takes longer for some than it does for others, but they all come around.

I have been seeing this too. There alot of plot holes some dont realize after thinking about it or thinking about it some time. I cought some of them my first time but have been catching more. The biggest? What is that massive fleet I brought with me going to do now they are stuck in the sol system?

I don't believe they are. They have FTL they can get back. Not to mention, the greastest minds in the galexy were there to work on the Crucible, I'm sure they can come up with something.

[Ticondurus]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

EDIT:    No, this is not a Troll. 

Do the winks mean "I am a troll?"

[AtreiyaN7]

Kyrick wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Just finished my first run of ME3. I took some advice and did it with a default Shep. I choose to destroy the Reapers. Everything seemed to fit. Bioware crafted a wonderful Trilegy and when they were done telling their story I wasn't left wanting. Usually when I finish a series that I love as much as I love ME. I'm sad that the journey is over. With ME it's different. I loved everything about it. From the Mako to mounds of weapon and armor DLC's that I will never use. Everythign just felt right. This is a way to say, "Thank You." to the company that has now solitified itself, in my eyes, as the greatest videogame developers of all time. It was a Hell of a Run Bioware. I'm glad I was part of it. Mass Effect was beautiful.

I'm so wretchedly tired of people claiming that the ending was somehow 'fitting' or 'well done'.  If you believe this you are provably wrong.  There are so many mechanical, artistic, and emotional flaws with the ending of ME3 that it staggers the mind.

If you have to explain an ending, then it wasn't one.

Now, is the series itself a wonderful series?  Absolutely.  There are small quibbles with each game, but nothing game-breakingly massive like the ending of ME3.  Learn about literary theory, writing mechanics, storytelling throughout human history.  If you believe that the ending is somehow acceptable from any of those frameworks, then you are operating from a position of extreme ignorance.  I'm not being nasty, I'm simply telling the truth after days of watching sanctimonious psuedo-intellectuals jabbering about how they 'get it'.  There's nothing terribly complex about the ending to this game and series, unless you're alluding to the staggering awfulness of how terribad it actually is.  If you're referring to that aspect of it, then it is indeed a complex affair, because it takes honest to God talent to make an ending that is this far from acceptable, much less optimal.

And I'm so wretchedly tired of people complaining if someone else enjoyed the endings and has an opinion different from theirs. You're entitled to your opinions, and I even understand the reasons why most people aren't thrilled with the endings. However, I read your post and found it quite funny that you chose to use the word sanctimonious. Try reading your post, and then take a look in the mirror.

[SpiderFan1217]

Ticondurus wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

EDIT:    No, this is not a Troll. 

Do the winks mean "I am a troll?"

  Those airn't winky faces. 

   These are winky faces. 

[Ticondurus]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Ticondurus wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

EDIT:    No, this is not a Troll. 

Do the winks mean "I am a troll?"

  Those airn't winky faces. 

   These are winky faces. 

Do the smirks mean "I am a troll?"

[Impulse and Compulse]

I didn't think the ending truly cemented itself as bad to me until I actually went back and took the other choices.

Restart the final mission

Go through the dialogue

And come back here in a few days when the depression wears off.

[SpiderFan1217]

Ticondurus wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Ticondurus wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

EDIT:    No, this is not a Troll. 

Do the winks mean "I am a troll?"

  Those airn't winky faces. 

   These are winky faces. 

Do the smirks mean "I am a troll?"

Yes, you seem to be.