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[SpiderFan1217]

Omilophile wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

1. I don't get what your asking then. They live their lives. What more do you need to know? Each of them did their own thing. Tali helped rebuild her homeworld. Liara did archeology stuff. Garrus goes to the bar and gets Shep and him a round.
2. The races rebuild. What else is there to do?
3. The Catylist indoctrinated the races that made it, and they built the first Reapers. It'd be dumb to assume that Reapers can indoctrinate and It couldn't.
4. What do you mean how do they affect the ending? The ending isn't the Destroy/Control/Synthesis choice, it's what happens after you defeat the Reapers. The last decision is another choice that affects the ending. Not the ending.

1. You're assuming all these things happen, but that's the point. We shouldn't have to guess and assume. It should be written into the game based on the choices you make. Also, how did they get off the mystery planet to do these things? All you're telling me is what you are assuming/ imagining to be the aftermath. As I said, it is not up to the player to make this stuff up in his/her head. A good writer would explain it.

2. Again with the assumptions. It would be nice to SEE them rebuild. To KNOW that they're all alive and well instead of assuming and filling gaps in the poor writing with my imagination. Plus, how do you know they rebuild? The Catalyst pulse severely damages the Normandy regardless of the ending you choose. It's safe to assume (as you seem so fond of doing) that this happened to most other tech, or at least ships, in the galaxy. Not knowing what actually happens is the problem.

 When writing a story, you don't give a general summary and force the reader to make up the rest with imagination. This is what was done with the ending.

3. Doesn't explain who built the Catalyst.

4. Ah. I was wrong. My bad. There aren't only three, but four endings. Still unaffected by anything you did in the previous games.

1. & 2. To do that a writer would need to jot down the characters entire life. Personally I don't need to know what they did four years, two months, five days, nine hours, ten minutes, and thirty-six seconds after the credits rolled.
3. An ancient race. Why is that a factor?
4. Again I refer you to: my other post. The are countless things that are different about the endings. Are the final choices all always going to be the same choices? Yes, but the choice itself is not the ending.

[Omilophile]

Radwar wrote...

3) Your example makes no sense at all. A nuke is a nuke (nuclear fision), you can't blow up a nuke with tnt, what the hell are you talking about?

 

He/she probably meant if you place tnt on the nuke itself and detonate it, it renders it harmless without setting off the nuclear blast. Much the same way EOD in Iraq/Afghanistan uses C4 on IED's to safely rid of them.

[SpiderFan1217]

Radwar wrote...

*snip*

 

I can see that your not having a descussion and are simply trying to impose your opinion on me so I'm done with you.

[SpiderFan1217]

Omilophile wrote...

Radwar wrote...

3) Your example makes no sense at all. A nuke is a nuke (nuclear fision), you can't blow up a nuke with tnt, what the hell are you talking about?

 

He/she probably meant if you place tnt on the nuke itself and detonate it, it renders it harmless without setting off the nuclear blast. Much the same way EOD in Iraq/Afghanistan uses C4 on IED's to safely rid of them.

^  This.  ^  Although, I can see he/she knows much more about bombs and explosions then I do.

[Stu_Shepard]

Pretty sure that's sarcasm, but to the people who do like the ending - Fair enough that you enjoyed it!! I have a friend that thinks "Batman and Robin" is the greatest film ever made. That doesn't make him right, it's just a matter of his tastes.

All I can say about your opinion good sir is that you and I have very different tastes.

[omgBAMF]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
8. Joker did not chicken out. He was ordered to bail. There is a call to retreat in the game. Personally if I see a super weapon that I don't know much about putting on the galaxy's largest light show I would get the h*ll out and try to save my friends and GF too.
 

Actually..... what you hear is Major Coats ordering everyone back from the conduit. (put on subtitles and you'll see it is Major Coats).  This order was given only to the ground forces of Hammer.  The space battle is still raging on around the Citadel, with the Normandy in the fight.  Hackett, Anderson, and even Shep had stated something along the lines of "this is it, there is no retreat" and "stay focused" and "it ends here."  The whole idea being that there couldn't be a retreat once the Crucible was brought into the Sol system.  It was a one time deal, no screw ups allowed.

As far as your other replies, its just evident that you didn't take as much interest in the characters as other people have.  Whereas you don't care what your friends/LI do after your gone, I most certainly do.  What is really sad is that it would only take a couple extra minutes of cgi cutscenes to answer everyone's questions.

[SpiderFan1217]

Stu_Shepard wrote...

Pretty sure that's sarcasm, but to the people who do like the ending - Fair enough that you enjoyed it!! I have a friend that thinks "Batman and Robin" is the greatest film ever made. That doesn't make him right, it's just a matter of his tastes.

All I can say about your opinion good sir is that you and I have very different tastes.

  Batman and Robin? Umm... to each their own. 

[Radwar]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Radwar wrote...

*snip*

 

I can see that your not having a descussion and are simply trying to impose your opinion on me so I'm done with you.

What discussion? You're trying to prove your points with pure speculations when the Mass Effect lore completely  contradicts your speculations. Take the Mass Relays exploding everywhere, yet you act like everything is dandy and everyone is rebuilding when all the systems that had Mass Relays should be destroyed (this is directly from Bioware's Mass Effect lore) which you conveniently act like it doesn't exist. Yet you do this with all your points by speculating and completely ignoring Biowares own lore. How are we supposed to take you seriously?

[SpiderFan1217]

omgBAMF wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
8. Joker did not chicken out. He was ordered to bail. There is a call to retreat in the game. Personally if I see a super weapon that I don't know much about putting on the galaxy's largest light show I would get the h*ll out and try to save my friends and GF too.
 

Actually..... what you hear is Major Coats ordering everyone back from the conduit. (put on subtitles and you'll see it is Major Coats).  This order was given only to the ground forces of Hammer.  The space battle is still raging on around the Citadel, with the Normandy in the fight.  Hackett, Anderson, and even Shep had stated something along the lines of "this is it, there is no retreat" and "stay focused" and "it ends here."  The whole idea being that there couldn't be a retreat once the Crucible was brought into the Sol system.  It was a one time deal, no screw ups allowed.

As far as your other replies, its just evident that you didn't take as much interest in the characters as other people have.  Whereas you don't care what your friends/LI do after your gone, I most certainly do.  What is really sad is that it would only take a couple extra minutes of cgi cutscenes to answer everyone's questions.

No one made it there. At least that's what they thought. When the Alliance and Co. realised that they couldn't get to the beam they bailed. When your in a fight and your last hope doesn't do it you leave to fight or run another day. I can't fault them for wanting to run or regroup. A lot of people were doing that. Notice when the energy starts the only ships you see in space are the destoryed ones. Joker was not the only one not at the battle. I maintain that he was given a retreat order.

[Omilophile]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

1. & 2. To do that a writer would need to jot down the characters entire life. Personally I don't need to know what they did four years, two months, five days, nine hours, ten minutes, and thirty-six seconds after the credits rolled.
3. An ancient race. Why is that a factor?
4. Again I refer you to: my other post. The are countless things that are different about the endings. Are the final choices all always going to be the same choices? Yes, but the choice itself is not the ending.

1. & 2. Why would they need to do that? All they need to do is physically show them getting off the random planet (somehow; the Normandy was screwed up beyond repair when considering the resources they had available, or rather the lack thereof) and then perhaps show them getting back to their old lives or helping with rebuilding the galaxy. With some dialogue to wrap things up. And then be done with it. It's not about seeing every second of every being's life, it's about closure. Knowing instead of guessing and assuming.

3. It's a factor because it's an answer Bioware promised to give us and they failed to deliver. Plus there are us crazy RPG fans who sincerely enjoy the lore and would like to know things like this instead of speculating. It's the final game, but they can't wrap it up and tell us the who's and why's? Bad storytelling.

4. The third game may be the end of Shepard's story, but it still has its own ending. That ending should be fitting of the final game in a trilogy that is based heavily on choices affecting outcomes. The end of the end should follow this and it doesn't. It lacks consistency.

[omgBAMF]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
8. Joker did not chicken out. He was ordered to bail. There is a call to retreat in the game. Personally if I see a super weapon that I don't know much about putting on the galaxy's largest light show I would get the h*ll out and try to save my friends and GF too.
 

Actually..... what you hear is Major Coats ordering everyone back from the conduit. (put on subtitles and you'll see it is Major Coats).  This order was given only to the ground forces of Hammer.  The space battle is still raging on around the Citadel, with the Normandy in the fight.  Hackett, Anderson, and even Shep had stated something along the lines of "this is it, there is no retreat" and "stay focused" and "it ends here."  The whole idea being that there couldn't be a retreat once the Crucible was brought into the Sol system.  It was a one time deal, no screw ups allowed.

As far as your other replies, its just evident that you didn't take as much interest in the characters as other people have.  Whereas you don't care what your friends/LI do after your gone, I most certainly do.  What is really sad is that it would only take a couple extra minutes of cgi cutscenes to answer everyone's questions.

No one made it there. At least that's what they thought. When the Alliance and Co. realised that they couldn't get to the beam they bailed. When your in a fight and your last hope doesn't do it you leave to fight or run another day. I can't fault them for wanting to run or regroup. A lot of people were doing that. Notice when the energy starts the only ships you see in space are the destoryed ones. Joker was not the only one not at the battle. I maintain that he was given a retreat order.

Just because no one made it to the beam doesn't change the fact it was Major Coats ordering Hammer forces to fall back.  It also doesn't change the fact that retreat wasn't an option, it was an all-in-or-nothing scenario.

Meh... assuming doesn't make great story telling, and that's what you are doing here.  At least I'm starting to see how some people can come to terms with the ending... they all have very active imaginations.

[Swisspease]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

omgBAMF wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...
8. Joker did not chicken out. He was ordered to bail. There is a call to retreat in the game. Personally if I see a super weapon that I don't know much about putting on the galaxy's largest light show I would get the h*ll out and try to save my friends and GF too.
 

Actually..... what you hear is Major Coats ordering everyone back from the conduit. (put on subtitles and you'll see it is Major Coats).  This order was given only to the ground forces of Hammer.  The space battle is still raging on around the Citadel, with the Normandy in the fight.  Hackett, Anderson, and even Shep had stated something along the lines of "this is it, there is no retreat" and "stay focused" and "it ends here."  The whole idea being that there couldn't be a retreat once the Crucible was brought into the Sol system.  It was a one time deal, no screw ups allowed.

As far as your other replies, its just evident that you didn't take as much interest in the characters as other people have.  Whereas you don't care what your friends/LI do after your gone, I most certainly do.  What is really sad is that it would only take a couple extra minutes of cgi cutscenes to answer everyone's questions.

No one made it there. At least that's what they thought. When the Alliance and Co. realised that they couldn't get to the beam they bailed. When your in a fight and your last hope doesn't do it you leave to fight or run another day. I can't fault them for wanting to run or regroup. A lot of people were doing that. Notice when the energy starts the only ships you see in space are the destoryed ones. Joker was not the only one not at the battle. I maintain that he was given a retreat order.

Hackett would be the one who would call the full retreat. Coats was only calling it for Hammer team.

[Elite Midget]

You're entitled to your opinion concerning this delicate matter, but I'm entitled to thinking you're a fool for having it.

Good day.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 19 mars 2012 - 08:03 .

[Tovanus]

I've seen this before. He's probably been indoctrinated by the music at the end. To be fair, it is powerfully good music. Too bad the game didn't live up to the quality of the music at the end.

[Omilophile]

Radwar wrote...
What discussion? You're trying to prove your points with pure speculations when the Mass Effect lore completely  contradicts your speculations. Take the Mass Relays exploding everywhere, yet you act like everything is dandy and everyone is rebuilding when all the systems that had Mass Relays should be destroyed (this is directly from Bioware's Mass Effect lore) which you conveniently act like it doesn't exist. Yet you do this with all your points by speculating and completely ignoring Biowares own lore. How are we supposed to take you seriously?

I'm afraid I must agree with SpiderFan1217 on this. The Mass Relays were shown exploding (relatively) harmlessly, meaning they didn't cause supernova sized blasts. I agree with you, however, that since they are destroyed (and it takes way too long to travel without them) the races of the galaxy would be isolated and possibly die. But we don't know either way because Bioware didn't f****** tell us.

[Statulos]

And here´s the weird thing about Fallout series: with simple static pics they wrap up the games far better than ME with videos.

Even worse; DA:O did it the same way and worked far better.

Modifié par Statulos, 19 mars 2012 - 08:09 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Omilophile wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

1. & 2. To do that a writer would need to jot down the characters entire life. Personally I don't need to know what they did four years, two months, five days, nine hours, ten minutes, and thirty-six seconds after the credits rolled.
3. An ancient race. Why is that a factor?
4. Again I refer you to: my other post. The are countless things that are different about the endings. Are the final choices all always going to be the same choices? Yes, but the choice itself is not the ending.

1. & 2. Why would they need to do that? All they need to do is physically show them getting off the random planet (somehow; the Normandy was screwed up beyond repair when considering the resources they had available, or rather the lack thereof) and then perhaps show them getting back to their old lives or helping with rebuilding the galaxy. With some dialogue to wrap things up. And then be done with it. It's not about seeing every second of every being's life, it's about closure. Knowing instead of guessing and assuming.

3. It's a factor because it's an answer Bioware promised to give us and they failed to deliver. Plus there are us crazy RPG fans who sincerely enjoy the lore and would like to know things like this instead of speculating. It's the final game, but they can't wrap it up and tell us the who's and why's? Bad storytelling.

4. The third game may be the end of Shepard's story, but it still has its own ending. That ending should be fitting of the final game in a trilogy that is based heavily on choices affecting outcomes. The end of the end should follow this and it doesn't. It lacks consistency.

1. They show that clip to tell you that your friends made it out alive. Not to say Haha now they're stuck on a random planet and have to eat eachother.

2. When did they promise to tell you where the Catylist came from? They told you where the Reapers came from. The Catylist built them.

3. I did not say that the third game was the end. I said that the Last Choice was not the ending. the ending is the clips you see after making the final choice.

I guess a few people are right and I only like the endiing because I can easily infer how everyone will go on after the battle. I don't need to be told everyone rebuilds, I know that it's all they can do.

[Omilophile]

Swisspease wrote...

Hackett would be the one who would call the full retreat. Coats was only calling it for Hammer team.

Exactly. Why the hell would a Major give orders to a galactic fleet? He was clearly in charge of Hammer team, and thus calling retreat just for them.

[SpiderFan1217]

Tovanus wrote...

I've seen this before. He's probably been indoctrinated by the music at the end. To be fair, it is powerfully good music. Too bad the game didn't live up to the quality of the music at the end.

lols

It is good musics, but I need more than a soundtrack to be this impressed.

[SpiderFan1217]

Omilophile wrote...

Swisspease wrote...

Hackett would be the one who would call the full retreat. Coats was only calling it for Hammer team.

Exactly. Why the hell would a Major give orders to a galactic fleet? He was clearly in charge of Hammer team, and thus calling retreat just for them.

Major sends the news up the chain of command. They have radios. Alliance and Co. Were retreating or regrouping.

[Radwar]

Omilophile wrote...

Radwar wrote...
What discussion? You're trying to prove your points with pure speculations when the Mass Effect lore completely  contradicts your speculations. Take the Mass Relays exploding everywhere, yet you act like everything is dandy and everyone is rebuilding when all the systems that had Mass Relays should be destroyed (this is directly from Bioware's Mass Effect lore) which you conveniently act like it doesn't exist. Yet you do this with all your points by speculating and completely ignoring Biowares own lore. How are we supposed to take you seriously?

I'm afraid I must agree with SpiderFan1217 on this. The Mass Relays were shown exploding (relatively) harmlessly, meaning they didn't cause supernova sized blasts. I agree with you, however, that since they are destroyed (and it takes way too long to travel without them) the races of the galaxy would be isolated and possibly die. But we don't know either way because Bioware didn't f****** tell us.

How would they survive? Like I said, Turians and Quarians can't eat human food which means both fleets get completely decimated once they've gone through their stocks (which completely defeats the point of getting peaceful resolutions between the Geth & Quarians for example, yay!).

Bioware's biggest mistake was destroying the Mass Relays, I still cannot comprehend how they came to this design decision. Seriously, it's by far the dumbest decision they could make, how the heck did the team agree to this? That completely baffles me.

Modifié par Radwar, 19 mars 2012 - 08:18 .

[SpiderFan1217]

Statulos wrote...

And here´s the weird thing about Fallout series: with simple static pics they wrap up the games far better than ME with videos.

Even worse; DA:O did it the same way and worked far better.

Really, cause in my eyes the two's endings are just as unknown as ME's. Didn't half of them just say things like: She was never heard from again, they were never seen again, He was king.

[SpiderFan1217]

I have to go, it's 3:00 am here.

If you'd like, cause most people seem to think that I need to sleep on it, I could update you on my opinion of the game tomorrow.

[Xandurpein]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

No one made it there. At least that's what they thought. When the Alliance and Co. realised that they couldn't get to the beam they bailed. When your in a fight and your last hope doesn't do it you leave to fight or run another day. I can't fault them for wanting to run or regroup. A lot of people were doing that. Notice when the energy starts the only ships you see in space are the destoryed ones. Joker was not the only one not at the battle. I maintain that he was given a retreat order.

Even if such an order had been given to the fleet, which I maintain is highly unlikely, it would immediately have been countermanded, the minute the Fleet sees that the Citadel is opening. They know someone made it insde then. Hell, fleet even hails Shpeard on the comms and tell him he must activate the Crucible from the inside. It would be completely ludicrous for Hackett to order anyone to retreat when they see that the plan is working, when the citadel opens. Sorry, but the idea that Joker flees as per orders is just nonsense.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

If no one made it into the beam....how did Anderson get into the beam before Shepard?????

Also would you accept a new ending?

And what is your opinion on the synthesis ending?

Modifié par Harbinger of your Destiny, 19 mars 2012 - 08:35 .