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[sgtReaper117]

Oh god for what reasons can you list that you think they fit with how the game should end? Like how your choices mattered...Oh wait. How you got closure about the whole universe....Oh dam defintly didnt get that. What about how there is just ONE ending with three different paint jobs? If thats the reason then hers how you can get a lot more http://www.facebook....15050907&type=3

Modifié par sgtReaper117, 19 mars 2012 - 08:33 .

[Omilophile]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

1. They show that clip to tell you that your friends made it out alive. Not to say Haha now they're stuck on a random planet and have to eat eachother.

2. When did they promise to tell you where the Catylist came from? They told you where the Reapers came from. The Catylist built them.

3. I did not say that the third game was the end. I said that the Last Choice was not the ending. the ending is the clips you see after making the final choice.

I guess a few people are right and I only like the endiing because I can easily infer how everyone will go on after the battle. I don't need to be told everyone rebuilds, I know that it's all they can do.

1. I never said they did it out of spite or mockery. Just poor writing. For the last time: We want to know what happens to them. We can assume and imagine all day that they fix the Normandy with Tali's tears and fly off to Jupiter to have an interspecies orgy, but we want something concrete. Good writers give you solid, detailed stories. We have imaginations. We know how to use them. But it's not the same as having something real.

2. They said something to the effect of "All will be revealed". Using the space kid was taking a shortcut so they didn't have to think of a real explanation. Again, bad writing.

3. The clips you see after making the final choice are not affected by your choices from the previous games. So that argument is invalid. I have now beaten the game twice with two drastically different characters (once each), and I loaded so I could do all three endings for each character. The only difference was the "secret" ending if your military readiness is at a certain level and you choose "Destroy". It has nothing to do with anything you did in the other games.

Again with the assuming. You assume they rebuild in your imagination, but how do you know they do? What if they fight amongst each other? What if they starve to death? You don't know. You assume. Bad writing.

None of us "needs" to be told anything about the ending. We want to be. As I said, our imaginations work just fine. A good writer doesn't force you to guess about things like that.

[Omilophile]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Major sends the news up the chain of command. They have radios. Alliance and Co. Were retreating or regrouping.

 You don't radio up the COC and tell your superiors you're retreating. They tell you when to retreat. You could request it, I suppose, but it would not be looked kindly upon.

[Mandemon]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

Swisspease wrote...

Hackett would be the one who would call the full retreat. Coats was only calling it for Hammer team.

Exactly. Why the hell would a Major give orders to a galactic fleet? He was clearly in charge of Hammer team, and thus calling retreat just for them.

Major sends the news up the chain of command. They have radios. Alliance and Co. Were retreating or regrouping.

Then explain why fleet was still on orbit, ready with the Crucible. Hackett even specificly calls for Shepard when nothing happens. If they were retreating, why did they wait? Furthermore, it is several times made clear that this is "Victory or death" run, because they do not believe they can with without Crucible.

Also, since when has Major given orders to Admirals? Hackett is as far as I know highedt ranking Alliance officer. Yet he does not give order for full retreat.

Major Croats tells them to fall back to the buildings and regroup. They do not call for evacuation which would be full retreat you seem to assume.

[Powerpetzi]

Radwar wrote...

Bioware's biggest mistake was destroying the Mass Relays, I still cannot comprehend how they came to this design decision. Seriously, it's by far the dumbest decision they could make, how the heck did the team agree to this? That completely baffles me.

To that, I'd like to reply with two quotes:

"Your society is based on the technology of the Mass Relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilisations develop along the patterns we desire." - Sovereign

"The heretics accepted their technology. The Old Machines offered to give us our future. The geth will achieve their own future." - Legion


Disregarding the immediate consequences (immediate on a galactic scale), the destruction of the Relays liberates all future galactic life from developing along predetermined patterns and allows it to evolve on its own, along paths of its own.

This is the deeper implication of the Relay destruction, looking beyond the turmoil and strife it will certainly toss the current galactic society into.




For the record, I am not defending the ending (singular!). It's awful. Just stating why I think BioWare implemented the Relay destruction at all.

Modifié par Powerpetzi, 19 mars 2012 - 08:49 .

[Omilophile]

Radwar wrote...

How would they survive? Like I said, Turians and Quarians can't eat human food which means both fleets get completely decimated once they've gone through their stocks (which completely defeats the point of getting peaceful resolutions between the Geth & Quarians for example, yay!).

Bioware's biggest mistake was destroying the Mass Relays, I still cannot comprehend how they came to this design decision. Seriously, it's by far the dumbest decision they could make, how the heck did the team agree to this? That completely baffles me.

I agree with you on that. Plus, if you think about it, the pulse (no matter which option you choose) jacks up the Normandy. Wouldn't it do that to all the other ships too? Effectively killing a major percentage of the organic Fleet?

[Kinoru]

Come on everyone lets try to be civil. Whatever OP wanted to say he has every right to voice it out as much as anyone else in here. It's good that you enjoyed the ending (I think?) Hope you can keep those of us disgruntled by it for a while and see if we can show you some points why we are upset though.

[Icinix]

Omilophile wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Major sends the news up the chain of command. They have radios. Alliance and Co. Were retreating or regrouping.

 You don't radio up the COC and tell your superiors you're retreating. They tell you when to retreat. You could request it, I suppose, but it would not be looked kindly upon.

Also - this is the only chance they get - Harbinger flies up and leaves leaving the conduit wide open. Why didn't the remaining forces make a final push?

The whole ending is stupid.

Modifié par Icinix, 19 mars 2012 - 08:55 .

[Omilophile]

Kinoru wrote...

Come on everyone lets try to be civil. Whatever OP wanted to say he has every right to voice it out as much as anyone else in here. It's good that you enjoyed the ending (I think?) Hope you can keep those of us disgruntled by it for a while and see if we can show you some points why we are upset though.

As far as I know, we've all been quite civil. I have not resorted to personal attacks or anything offensive to any specific group.

[Conduit0]

I'm really laughing right now, its amazing how one post can completely destroy all the PR work the Retake ME3 movement has done. When your reaction to an opinion that differs from your own is to call them a troll, belittle, and insult them, it demostrates just how childish you really are.

You keep holding that line, as it drags you off the edge of the cliff.

[Omilophile]

Conduit0 wrote...

I'm really laughing right now, its amazing how one post can completely destroy all the PR work the Retake ME3 movement has done. When your reaction to an opinion that differs from your own is to call them a troll, belittle, and insult them, it demostrates just how childish you really are.

You keep holding that line, as it drags you off the edge of the cliff.

I don't recall belittling or insulting anyone.

[Swisspease]

So now that we appear to be having a discussion we are still trolling?

[ElementL09]

Loving the whole game is different from loving the ending.

I loved 99.9% of the game until ending.

[AlexXIV]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Usagihunter101 wrote...

...Not sure if detecting sarcasm...

No sarcasm. Loved every second of the three hundred-plus hours I spent on ME.

You know that Bioware sending in flying monkeys for damage control? Just asking because you are one.

[saracen16]

Eain wrote...

Don't worry, tomorrow you'll wake up and start pondering what you've seen.

It takes longer for some than it does for others, but they all come around.

That's your opinion. In fact, I've seen people in the "retake mass effect" camp changing their opinions as well.

[saracen16]

Powerpetzi wrote...

Radwar wrote...

Bioware's biggest mistake was destroying the Mass Relays, I still cannot comprehend how they came to this design decision. Seriously, it's by far the dumbest decision they could make, how the heck did the team agree to this? That completely baffles me.

To that, I'd like to reply with two quotes:

"Your society is based on the technology of the Mass Relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilisations develop along the patterns we desire." - Sovereign

"The heretics accepted their technology. The Old Machines offered to give us our future. The geth will achieve their own future." - Legion


Disregarding the immediate consequences (immediate on a galactic scale), the destruction of the Relays liberates all future galactic life from developing along predetermined patterns and allows it to evolve on its own, along paths of its own.

This is the deeper implication of the Relay destruction, looking beyond the turmoil and strife it will certainly toss the current galactic society into.




For the record, I am not defending the ending (singular!). It's awful. Just stating why I think BioWare implemented the Relay destruction at all.

In full agreement with you.

Better yet: the races left after the destruction are the ones YOU saved.

[Iwillbeback]

I can't take the OP serious, I smell a troll.

[Leeloo Multipass]

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Just finished my first run of ME3. I took some advice and did it with a default Shep. I choose to destroy the Reapers. Everything seemed to fit.

So I guess that's it. The only way anything makes sense is if you play it with a default Shepard. That way you have absolutely no sense of attachment to any of the charaters because you didn't play 80 hours previously to get to that point.

Makes sense to me.

Bioware should just remove character imports. Problem solved.

Who on Earth gave you this brilliant advice?

[AlexXIV]

saracen16 wrote...

Powerpetzi wrote...

Radwar wrote...

Bioware's biggest mistake was destroying the Mass Relays, I still cannot comprehend how they came to this design decision. Seriously, it's by far the dumbest decision they could make, how the heck did the team agree to this? That completely baffles me.

To that, I'd like to reply with two quotes:

"Your society is based on the technology of the Mass Relays. Our technology. By using it, your civilisations develop along the patterns we desire." - Sovereign

"The heretics accepted their technology. The Old Machines offered to give us our future. The geth will achieve their own future." - Legion


Disregarding the immediate consequences (immediate on a galactic scale), the destruction of the Relays liberates all future galactic life from developing along predetermined patterns and allows it to evolve on its own, along paths of its own.

This is the deeper implication of the Relay destruction, looking beyond the turmoil and strife it will certainly toss the current galactic society into.




For the record, I am not defending the ending (singular!). It's awful. Just stating why I think BioWare implemented the Relay destruction at all.

In full agreement with you.

Better yet: the races left after the destruction are the ones YOU saved.

Tbh the 'you develop along the patterns we desire' is also BS. Pretty much history teaches us that picking up on advanced technologies from other cultures never had this kind of effect. More like, they will adopt it to their own culture and something new comes from it. The whole 'Reaper tech is dangerous' thing is made pointless by the ending anyway. Because the Crusible is Reaper tech and it is used to enable one of the 3 choices you get. Bad point is bad.

[Omilophile]

LeeluMultipass wrote...
So I guess that's it. The only way anything makes sense is if you play it with a default Shepard. That way you have absolutely no sense of attachment to any of the charaters because you didn't play 80 hours previously to get to that point.

Makes sense to me.

Bioware should just remove character imports. Problem solved.

Who on Earth gave you this brilliant advice?

There we have it, folks...

[Fulgrim88]

saracen16 wrote...

In full agreement with you.

Better yet: the races left after the destruction are the ones YOU saved.

That is, if they don't starve to death on earth, if Tuchanka can sustain itself, if the Mass Relays don't fry every living being in their vicinity like we were told they'd do...

It's just too many variables, most of them definitely not leaning towards anything good.

And while I could grudgingly accept the ending we've got as one possible ending (generously overlooking the dozens of plotholes), it shouldn't be the ending.

If they wanted to boast about 16 different endings, well give us just that. Different endings.
And don't argue that "different" is a very subjective term.
They were pretty damn specific about what they would supposedly provide

[saracen16]

suusuuu wrote...

If op isn't trolling it just supports my suspicion that almost everyone who likes the ending plays with default shep

So, you think that just because the OP has a different opinion than you, that he or she is trolling?

[Conduit0]

Omilophile wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

I'm really laughing right now, its amazing how one post can completely destroy all the PR work the Retake ME3 movement has done. When your reaction to an opinion that differs from your own is to call them a troll, belittle, and insult them, it demostrates just how childish you really are.

You keep holding that line, as it drags you off the edge of the cliff.

I don't recall belittling or insulting anyone.

Even if you personally did not, it doesn't change the fact that this thread is largely 9 pages(and counting) of people accusing the OP of being a troll, telling the OP that their opinion is wrong, which is pretty darn insulting by its self might I add, or basicly telling the OP that he/she is too stupid to understand why the ending is bad.

[saracen16]

AlexXIV wrote...

Tbh the 'you develop along the patterns we desire' is also BS. Pretty much history teaches us that picking up on advanced technologies from other cultures never had this kind of effect. More like, they will adopt it to their own culture and something new comes from it. The whole 'Reaper tech is dangerous' thing is made pointless by the ending anyway. Because the Crusible is Reaper tech and it is used to enable one of the 3 choices you get. Bad point is bad.

I disagree: the Prothean beacons were discovered when other species discovered spaceflight.

And where did you get the idea that Crucible is Reaper tech? I must have missed something, because it is a superweapon that has been developed by countless civilizations.