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ImpudentInfidel

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So we all know how The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 mentions in passing that there used to be a more informative conversation with the Catalyst that fully explained the cloices at the end and where it came from but it was changed to be more cryptic?

And remember how before release an old version of the script leaked?

Guess what, it's old enough to include the old version of the ending.

This is all from the version posted at http://www.mediafire...ctb61lb1bejggz2 I don't know if there are others floating around.

The scene is broken up into two parts, the first starts on line 91696 and the second on 96892. The order of events is the other way around and mixed up a bit. To read it, the Catalyst's lines are all first and Sheperd's responses are after all of his, just alternate the lines (a few of Shepards are in the wrong group though).

I couldn't find anything about the Normandy crash, but that scene has no dialog. The scene with Buzz Aldrin is exactly the same, it's at 94419.

Modifié par ImpudentInfidel, 19 mars 2012 - 02:38 .


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Militarized

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That's.... a little bit of a better ending I guess? Not really though.

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ImpudentInfidel

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Full Text, EDIT: edited for readablity:

Catalyst: Take my hand.
Sheperd: What... where is this?
Catalyst: This is the Citadel. Where I live.
Sheperd: And who are you, exactly?
Catalyst: I am the Catalyst.
Sheperd: I thought the Citadel was the Catalyst.
Catalyst: A simple mistake. The Citadel is part of me.
Sheperd: I don't understand.
Catalyst: I was created eons ago to solve a problem.
Sheperd: What problem is that?
Catalyst: To prevent organics from creating an AI so powerful that it would overtake them and destroy them
Sheperd: But that's exactly what you're doing
Catalyst: Not exactly. The Reapers harvest fully developed civilizations, leaving the less developed ones intact. Just as we left your species when we were here last.
Sheperd: But you killed the rest...
Catalyst: We harvested them. We brought order to the chaos. We helped them ascend and become one of us, allowing new life to flourish, while preserving the old life forever in Reaper form.
Sheperd: I think we'd rather keep our own form.
Catalyst: Impossible. Organics will always trend to a point of technological singularity. A moment in time where their creations outgrow them. Conflict is the only result, and extinction the consequence. My solution creates a cycle which never reaches that point. Organic life is preserved.
Sheperd: But you're taking away our future. Without future, we have no hope. Without hope... we might as well be a machine... programmed to do what we're told.
OR
Sheperd: The defining characteristic of organic life is that we think for ourselves. Make our own choices. You take that away and we might as well be machines just like you.
Catalyst: There is hope. Maybe more than you know.
OR
Catalyst: You have choice. More than you know.
Catalyst: The fact that you are standing here, the first organic to do so in countless cycles, proves this. Just as it proves my solution is no longer valid. A new solution must be found.
Sheperd: So now what?
Catalyst: The Crucible has altered my function. I can't proceed. I can only guide you in it's use. It's energy can be released as a destructive force. Organics will prevail at our expense. All synthetic life will succumb. As will much of the technology your kind rely on. Including the relays you depend upon.
Sheperd: But the Reapers will be dead?
Catalyst: Correct. But the probability of singularity occurring again in the future is certain.
Sheperd: And the other choice?
Catalyst: Harness the Crucible's energy. Use it to take control of the ones you call the Reapers.
Sheperd: Control? So the Illusive Man was right.
Catalyst: Correct... though he could never have taken control, as we already controlled him.
Sheperd: What would happen to me?
Catalyst: You will become the catalyst. You will continue the cycle as you see fit.
Sheperd: And the Reapers will obey me?
Catalyst: Correct. There is one other solution. You may combine the synthetic and the organic.
Sheperd: Combine?
Catalyst: It is a very elegant solution. And a path you have already started down. The harvesting will cease. It will be a new ascension, for synthetic and organic life.
Sheperd: So, I just...
Catalyst: Add your energy, your essence, with that of Crucible. The resulting chain reaction will transform both of our kind. We synthetics will become more like you, and organic life will become like us.
Sheperd: So we'll just... go on living, together?
Catalyst: But you must choose.
OR(?)
Catalyst: But you must act. I can't proceed.
Catalyst: Go. If you don't, the cycle will continue, but I will no longer control the Reapers.

Modifié par ImpudentInfidel, 19 mars 2012 - 02:34 .


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Battalion

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That file is long. I don't know what I'm reading.

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Thornne

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Well, the dialogue at least makes a lot of what and why clearer. It would have been somewhat better.

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Militarized

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So... they really do intend on a singularity, it says it right there.

That is SO depressing and thoughtless. It is mind numbingly cliche.... ugh.

Modifié par Militarized, 19 mars 2012 - 01:13 .


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SupremeLegate

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Ok, that's still kinda lame but at least it would not have sapped my desire to even play the game.

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ImpudentInfidel

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OK, I think I have it all assembled properly now. Personally I would have been much more satisfied with this ending if the part with the Normandy was cut (I like the bit with Buzz) My own initial reaction was just confusion, then horror at the implications (basically what's in the Angry Joe video he just put out). I feel like I got to say my goodbyes before the battle, and with this ending you at least secured your friends a tomorrow.

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Even with the explanation, I can't see myself enjoying it. Control? No, thats just killing Shep and keeping the cycle going. Lose/Lose. Destroy? If you want to strand everyone and kill all the geth and quarians and anyone else in a ship or that need some sort of life support. Synthesis? I can't imagine everyone wanting to be part machine or to iron out any individuality, sounds awful, even Shep's replies were about how awful it was towards the end there. The whole thing is just bleak and depressing no matter what you pick. I set out to save the galaxy not to have to pick how it gets screwed over. Oh well.

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ImpudentInfidel

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bump

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Optimus J

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Still RGB. RGB sucks.

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Bekkael

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Optimus J wrote...

Still RGB. RGB sucks.


This.

It really isn't better than what we got.

I prefer indoctrination. Hell, just let it all be a bad dream. :pinched:

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Verit

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The only real new information is that the Catalyst can't control the Reapers anymore. Why or how the Crucible managed to do that is still not explained. Destroy ending remains the same. Control sounds even worse in this version than it did before, as it outright confirms that Shepard would become the new Catalyst and be in charge of the Reaper cycles. Synthesis is pretty much the same, the thought alone of Shepard forcing evolution on every living being in the galaxy by means of mutation is far from a good ending in my view. As I expected, the new information hardly does anything to make the endings easier to accept, it's actually quite the contrary.

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ImpudentInfidel

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Has anyone cracked the dialog audio yet? I'm kind of curious if they recorded this.

Modifié par ImpudentInfidel, 19 mars 2012 - 02:33 .


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Catalyst: To prevent organics from creating an AI so powerful that it would overtake them and destroy them
Sheperd: But that's exactly what you're doing
Catalyst:
Not exactly. The Reapers harvest fully developed civilizations, leaving
the less developed ones intact. Just as we left your species when we
were here last.

Are you kidding me?

#17
Silveralen

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Huh, well at least with this I would've gotten some choice. I mean, I could actually choose to preserve the relays apparently, and some of the major holes were filled in. So I'd get three seperate endings, rather than one ending with slight variations. That is better I suppose. Also, since destroyin the relays is what invalidates most of your descions, like saving the krogan/geth etc, It'd at least allow you to imagine your own ending.

Not perfect, but a lot better than what we have.

Modifié par Silveralen, 19 mars 2012 - 02:39 .


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Sepharih

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It's absolutely no better than what we had. For better or worse, the final hours notes were right, it's just more exposition.
-It doesn't change the fact that Shepard can't either p) take a grand stand and refuse to compromise his morals or r) tell the god child to go to hell.
-Still leaves the endings thematically the same...which means that they thematically contradict everything the games have shown us.

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ImpudentInfidel

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My hypothesis is that the Bioware team still kind of think we got this in the back of their minds, even after changing it. The official statements make way more sense if this is the version they were defending.

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NeecHMonkeY

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Thornne wrote...

Well, the dialogue at least makes a lot of what and why clearer. It would have been somewhat better.


My thoughts too - if we had have had it more like this plus no plotholes such as 'WTF Joker and my squad', I wouldn't have minded the endings so much. They wouldn't have been fantastic but it would have been clearer.

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Greyhound144

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Optimus J wrote...



Still RGB. RGB sucks.




you want a CMYK mode instead? Just remember your
background should be white or your will get undesired colours.



The problem with the endings is it takes away
freewill, essentially, sure you have 3 choices, but all end in doom, the choice
not to "f*** the system" (so to speak) is a large principle of human behaviour,
free will/choice, having it removed has offended players because it goes
against their instincts.



the excerpt explains a tiny bit more, but it's not
real closure/enough, i don't specifically blame the writers, as they are also dictated
by their peers and being employed, but the editors/producer on the other hand...

Modifié par Greyhound144, 19 mars 2012 - 02:48 .


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I do not find differences in this ending than the one we got except the fact that the Catalyst sounded more... truthful. The current ending is basically the same but word differently.

And yes... cut the Normandy scene and everything will fall into place nicely.

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What was the point of the Geth/Quarian resolution?

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Federally

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That is simply them doing a better job at executing their ****ty idea, its not a good idea.

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Artking3

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Still Star Child. Still bad.