I know I'll never trust their claims.
Does Anyone Trust Bioware Anymore?
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#177
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:36
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I want to learn to lie like Hudson does.
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#178
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:43
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Sadly, I no longer believe any of their pre-release hype and promises for games anymore. I was lied to for the last few.
Post release.. well, I'm taking the high road and waiting to see how open and honest they are with us during this ME3 mess.
Post release.. well, I'm taking the high road and waiting to see how open and honest they are with us during this ME3 mess.
#179
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:43
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Three species I'd never let my daughters marry cause I can't trust them1)Politicos 2)Used car salesman3)Gaming gods.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:49
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To me Bioware doesn't make RPGs any more. DA2 is a hack n' slash adventure game with a level-up system, and Mass Effect became a TPS with a level-up system. That doesn't make me dislike Bioware by itself. What does make me dislike Bioware is that they can't even make their stories good any more, and that's what they've always been known for.
So no, I don't trust Bioware to deliver good games any more.
So no, I don't trust Bioware to deliver good games any more.
#181
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:51
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No. Not any more. To me their status have fallen away from an instant-preorder to - I'll wait 6 months, pick up on sale if user reviews are okay, if at all.
Fool me once.....
Fool me once.....
#182
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:53
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Why wuold you distrust a reliable software developer because you didn't like a part of how the story was written? How do you guys deal with stuff that challenges the mind.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:54
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#184
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:55
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TheLostGenius wrote...
Why wuold you distrust a reliable software developer because you didn't like a part of how the story was written? How do you guys deal with stuff that challenges the mind.
Are entirely unaware of how they LIED to us? Or are you choosing to be tunnel-visioned about it?
Maybe try reading this:
http://social.biowar...index/10056886/
To get a taste of how "trustworthy" BioWare currently is. And I won't even get into the whole ordeal about how they straight up lied about the From Ashes DLC not already being in the core game...
#185
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:55
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right now they have one strike with me. so far I have never felt like I was missing something other then the ending of me3 I personally loved all their other games 
#186
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:55
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Whether I trust them in the future all hinges on what they do in regard to fixing the end of ME3. Right now I'm on the fence.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:56
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TheLostGenius wrote...
Why wuold you distrust a reliable software developer because you didn't like a part of how the story was written? How do you guys deal with stuff that challenges the mind.
It's not just a part. It's the end of the entire trilogy. And it doesn't challenge the mind, it baffles the mind. It baffles the mind how anyone at Bioware thought that ending was sufficient given the countless plotholes.
#188
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:58
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I used to trust them. Dragon Age was amazing, then Mass Effect 2 blew me away by the scale at which they could improve a game.
Then one day I heard DA2 was coming out, thought it was funny because it was so soon. But it was different, corrupted. Mass Effect 3 was Bioware's chance to prove to me they still had it and I was worried about all the rumors. This game had me till nearly the very end. When I found out that it all ended in death and Tali would be stranded loveless across the universe part of me died. That's when the ME universe died for me,
I can't bring myself to care about upcoming DLC, not when I know where it all ends. No DLC could really be relevant to the story anymore. I hope Bioware does try to help the fans, however I'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime I'm going to get as much value I can out of this game and I'll telling all my friends not to buy it they can borrow it from me. That way they can experience the game for what's its worth this game provides and not contribute a cent to Bioware anymore.
Then one day I heard DA2 was coming out, thought it was funny because it was so soon. But it was different, corrupted. Mass Effect 3 was Bioware's chance to prove to me they still had it and I was worried about all the rumors. This game had me till nearly the very end. When I found out that it all ended in death and Tali would be stranded loveless across the universe part of me died. That's when the ME universe died for me,
I can't bring myself to care about upcoming DLC, not when I know where it all ends. No DLC could really be relevant to the story anymore. I hope Bioware does try to help the fans, however I'll believe it when I see it. In the meantime I'm going to get as much value I can out of this game and I'll telling all my friends not to buy it they can borrow it from me. That way they can experience the game for what's its worth this game provides and not contribute a cent to Bioware anymore.
#189
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:58
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If anything, after playing ME3 I'm an even bigger fan. The ending may have some loose ends, but holy crap the rest of the game was freaking awesome.
#190
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:58
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My trust can be equated to Shrodinger's cat. Uncertain right now, and depending on how they handle this I might come out of it with either renewed or destroyed faith.
As of now, it's uncertain.
As of now, it's uncertain.
#191
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:59
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If by "trust" you mean "will I pre-order any more of their games" then the answer is no.
#192
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:00
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The Angry One wrote...
Let me be clear on one thing, my utter and complete lack of faith in BioWare is due to ME3's end and ME3's end alone.
They chose to sacrifice the end of a 5 year saga with all of our hopes and dreams to half-assery and pretentiousness.
I defended them on DA2 which all in all isn't that bad, I defended them on TOR.
They have nothing to do with this.
Edit: Redundancy is bad, perhaps sleep isn't as overrated as I believe.
Hello,
Yes, compared to ME3, DA2 is after all not that bad
Personnaly, I like a lot SWTOR... And that's a chance, because not going to touch ME3 for a lonnnng time...
Hold the line!
JPR out!
Modifié par JPR1964, 19 mars 2012 - 07:00 .
#193
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:06
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Full trust - preorder game, even buy collector's edition -> probably never again.
Cautionary trust - wait for USERS review before buying anything with the word "bioware" now. <- thats me now.
Cautionary trust - wait for USERS review before buying anything with the word "bioware" now. <- thats me now.
#194
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:13
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Banelash wrote...
Full trust - preorder game, even buy collector's edition -> probably never again.
Cautionary trust - wait for USERS review before buying anything with the word "bioware" now. <- thats me now.
That is me as well.
#195
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:15
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The only logical answer is no. If you played ME 1 and ME 2 and read Chris's promise that your choices from 1 and 2 matter in ME 3, then you know you were mislead totally.
Basically, long time fans were sacrificed for new "shooter" fans. The reason we all get the same 3 endigs is so the "new" ME 3 only players wouldn't feel cheated by not playing 1 and 2. Long time players would indeed have longer better endings than them if the original promise was kept. Basically, Bioware is betting that the long time fans will swallow being stabbed in the back while they cater to the new ME 3 players.
I supported them from BG, to Jade Empire, through KOTOR, DA, and of course ME 3. ME 3 had the least effort put into the ending than all of those games. The most insulting thing is Chris the producers rebuttle to long time time fans is referencing gaming sites etc... as if their opinion is more important than ours. There is NO other reason to reference them. It's a total slap in in the face and I'm certain it was referenced so the powers that be that he reports to can look and go, well yeah these fans are just ignorant. He's covering his behind by belittling our outrage at being betrayed.
YES, for the recored Bioware has every right to make the ending however they want. We have no right to demand anything of them. However, it is clear they cannot be trusted. Our only true recourse is to not give them any of our money. I doubt they care. There are a lot more "casual" non-rpg players out there, just look at the COD franshise sales numbers, and those kind of players don't care about endings etc... It's clear Bioware is targetting them with the addition of multiplayer etc...
In ME 3 they added "arcade" battles such as facing the Reaper on the ledge with your laser site. That had no place in an "RPG", and for those that like the tactical turn based play of the ME series where you can pasue the game and give orders... well they were forced to play an arcade section of the game. Again, something "casual" gamers would enjoy was added. Forcing those same people interested in the single player tactical combat RPG combat of ME to play online multiplayer was another stab in the back. Sure it's "possible" to get your strength up high enough without doing that, but NOT if you make your own choices. You're forced to choose "correct" choices again, and thus removing your "play it your way" choice if you want to save the Earth and NOT play multiplayer.
They stabbed RPG tactical combat single player lovers in the back over and over with ME 3. Another dagger was the giving everyone the generic endings. So, no you can't trust them to be faithful to what they said they are going to do or to make a tactical single player RPG like they have in the past. They've proven people that enjoy that market are not their primary audience anymore.
Their final dagger is the possibility that the ending of ME 3 isn't the REAL ending. Again, the producer Chris in interviews claimed all loose ends would be tied up and we would see Shepherds ending. Same time he said we'd have our own ending with the culmination of ME 1 and ME 2 choices. We know that didn't happen. Now, if they release are "real" ending as DLC it's crossing yet another line of trust. You buy the game being told it is the "end" of Shephards story and you get to see the fruits of all of your labor. Only to have them demand even more money from you to see it. Thus proving it was not included in your ME 3 purchase. Again, you were mislead.
Along those same lines the day one DLC claims of it not being an original part of the ME 3 game are false. All squad mates talk to Javik. How is that possible? Consider this, voice actors usually come in for a few days and deliver all of their lines and then leave. So, do you really believe Bioware paid all of the voice actors AGAIN to come BACK and deliver the Javik lines? I certainly do not. That would be totally illogical and a poor business decision on their part. All previous DLC in ME was additional content. Javik is right in the center of the main plot. It is more likely Bioware wanted to make more $$$ so they held this main plot character. I "had" fond feeling for them and understand them wanting to make more of a profit. I could forgive them that one thing. I tolerated their greed and bought him, but I will not tolerate paying for a different ending we should have already had.
The one other small thing is Tali. They didn't even thave the time apparently to creat Tali a face. So, they took a stock model picture and put it in the game as her face. Seriously, a freaking stock picture and that's just absurd. That's about how much effort they put into the ending as well.
So, it's clear they cannot be trusted in multiple areas. Now I have to wonder if any game by them has content that is DONE purposefully held back in the future? I have to wonder if they will ever make an RPG like the original Dragon Age where you REALLY do decide the ending with your "IN GAME" choices? I have to wonder if any games by them in the future have ending at all on the disk? Prior to ME 3 I would buy a Bioware game without having to do my due diligence and investigate the game. I DID trust them. Now no. They were one of the companies would buy "NEW" from so THEY get the money. Not anymore. After spending over $200 on ME1-3, only to be stabbed in the back on MULTIPLE things in ME 3. That trust is gone.
That being said, you can still trust them to make HIGH quality games. Top notch AAA titles. Just not the player choice driven single players RPGs of the past. If this is all you care about, then I understand why your trust would remain. Bioware is no longer one of those companies. I expect their are some heart broken Bioware devs over what is ME 3 as it stands. I'm certain the $$$ people overruled them on this stuff. I expect integrity from the companies I buy from, and to me that's certainly lacking now. The Dr's vision is dead. I was all for the EA merger originally, but now... it's clear that it was a mistake.
Basically, long time fans were sacrificed for new "shooter" fans. The reason we all get the same 3 endigs is so the "new" ME 3 only players wouldn't feel cheated by not playing 1 and 2. Long time players would indeed have longer better endings than them if the original promise was kept. Basically, Bioware is betting that the long time fans will swallow being stabbed in the back while they cater to the new ME 3 players.
I supported them from BG, to Jade Empire, through KOTOR, DA, and of course ME 3. ME 3 had the least effort put into the ending than all of those games. The most insulting thing is Chris the producers rebuttle to long time time fans is referencing gaming sites etc... as if their opinion is more important than ours. There is NO other reason to reference them. It's a total slap in in the face and I'm certain it was referenced so the powers that be that he reports to can look and go, well yeah these fans are just ignorant. He's covering his behind by belittling our outrage at being betrayed.
YES, for the recored Bioware has every right to make the ending however they want. We have no right to demand anything of them. However, it is clear they cannot be trusted. Our only true recourse is to not give them any of our money. I doubt they care. There are a lot more "casual" non-rpg players out there, just look at the COD franshise sales numbers, and those kind of players don't care about endings etc... It's clear Bioware is targetting them with the addition of multiplayer etc...
In ME 3 they added "arcade" battles such as facing the Reaper on the ledge with your laser site. That had no place in an "RPG", and for those that like the tactical turn based play of the ME series where you can pasue the game and give orders... well they were forced to play an arcade section of the game. Again, something "casual" gamers would enjoy was added. Forcing those same people interested in the single player tactical combat RPG combat of ME to play online multiplayer was another stab in the back. Sure it's "possible" to get your strength up high enough without doing that, but NOT if you make your own choices. You're forced to choose "correct" choices again, and thus removing your "play it your way" choice if you want to save the Earth and NOT play multiplayer.
They stabbed RPG tactical combat single player lovers in the back over and over with ME 3. Another dagger was the giving everyone the generic endings. So, no you can't trust them to be faithful to what they said they are going to do or to make a tactical single player RPG like they have in the past. They've proven people that enjoy that market are not their primary audience anymore.
Their final dagger is the possibility that the ending of ME 3 isn't the REAL ending. Again, the producer Chris in interviews claimed all loose ends would be tied up and we would see Shepherds ending. Same time he said we'd have our own ending with the culmination of ME 1 and ME 2 choices. We know that didn't happen. Now, if they release are "real" ending as DLC it's crossing yet another line of trust. You buy the game being told it is the "end" of Shephards story and you get to see the fruits of all of your labor. Only to have them demand even more money from you to see it. Thus proving it was not included in your ME 3 purchase. Again, you were mislead.
Along those same lines the day one DLC claims of it not being an original part of the ME 3 game are false. All squad mates talk to Javik. How is that possible? Consider this, voice actors usually come in for a few days and deliver all of their lines and then leave. So, do you really believe Bioware paid all of the voice actors AGAIN to come BACK and deliver the Javik lines? I certainly do not. That would be totally illogical and a poor business decision on their part. All previous DLC in ME was additional content. Javik is right in the center of the main plot. It is more likely Bioware wanted to make more $$$ so they held this main plot character. I "had" fond feeling for them and understand them wanting to make more of a profit. I could forgive them that one thing. I tolerated their greed and bought him, but I will not tolerate paying for a different ending we should have already had.
The one other small thing is Tali. They didn't even thave the time apparently to creat Tali a face. So, they took a stock model picture and put it in the game as her face. Seriously, a freaking stock picture and that's just absurd. That's about how much effort they put into the ending as well.
So, it's clear they cannot be trusted in multiple areas. Now I have to wonder if any game by them has content that is DONE purposefully held back in the future? I have to wonder if they will ever make an RPG like the original Dragon Age where you REALLY do decide the ending with your "IN GAME" choices? I have to wonder if any games by them in the future have ending at all on the disk? Prior to ME 3 I would buy a Bioware game without having to do my due diligence and investigate the game. I DID trust them. Now no. They were one of the companies would buy "NEW" from so THEY get the money. Not anymore. After spending over $200 on ME1-3, only to be stabbed in the back on MULTIPLE things in ME 3. That trust is gone.
That being said, you can still trust them to make HIGH quality games. Top notch AAA titles. Just not the player choice driven single players RPGs of the past. If this is all you care about, then I understand why your trust would remain. Bioware is no longer one of those companies. I expect their are some heart broken Bioware devs over what is ME 3 as it stands. I'm certain the $$$ people overruled them on this stuff. I expect integrity from the companies I buy from, and to me that's certainly lacking now. The Dr's vision is dead. I was all for the EA merger originally, but now... it's clear that it was a mistake.
#196
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:21
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My lack of faith in Bioware is disturbing. Non JRPGs just aren't what they used to be anymore...
#197
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:22
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J717 wrote...
TheLostGenius wrote...
Why wuold you distrust a reliable software developer because you didn't like a part of how the story was written? How do you guys deal with stuff that challenges the mind.
Are entirely unaware of how they LIED to us? Or are you choosing to be tunnel-visioned about it?
Maybe try reading this:
http://social.biowar...index/10056886/
To get a taste of how "trustworthy" BioWare currently is. And I won't even get into the whole ordeal about how they straight up lied about the From Ashes DLC not already being in the core game...
Thanks, that needed posting here.
#198
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:25
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I trust em. Sure the ending was... Off. But honestly, they write pitch perfect prose up to the last 5 mins and then decide to stop? Rubbish. They know what they're doing. Well, I hope so at least. But I trust em.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:26
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Bioware has lost my trust since DA2, though I started seeing quality drop when Awakening hit. It was the beginning of what was to come.
Modifié par Elite Midget, 19 mars 2012 - 07:27 .
#200
Posté 19 mars 2012 - 07:26
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I was willing to trust them after the ending but after seeing the Final hours app I don't know...
