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[Currylaksa]

UK Wildcat wrote...

Solution? Nerf biotic combos. You are wrong in your original post, adepts are good against certain factions and not as good as others.

There are tons of combinations that can excel in MP to the point of rapidly clearing below 20 mins.

I remain convinced that infiltrators/soldiers have the potential for the fastest clear times, but biotics really is extremely easy and doesn't require very much skill to be effective. 

You are right.

Biotic detonation is the main culprit here. The damage scales, hits like a truck, AOEs, and come off two skills that do have low cooldowns and don't require aiming.

[Dachau Joseph]

You people weren't happy when they nerfed Sabotage? So all those people are running Asari adepts or whatever and now you're just gonna complain about that?

Might as well just remove multiplayer to make the whiners happy

[wilzoon]

whiners always whine

[Saboteur-6]

I swear to god if "Nerf Biotic Explosions" becomes the new "Nerf Quarian Infiltrator" I will eat all of your children.

[D Quixote]

Kopikatsu wrote...

It will always be this way. It always is in every single game. The top tier players run what is most efficient and refuse to use anything else because it is a waste of time. You will never reach perfect balance between classes because perfect balance is impossible to achieve. Something will always be the best and if you nerf the current flavor of the month, all that will happen is people will find a new one.

So we just shouldn't even try to balance? Just let the game stagnate so that people who like playing one way are constantly at the top of the charts and clearing the hardest waves, while those who play another way are left behind? Never even given a chance to be overpowered? Doing nothing to balance the game would kill it faster than slight nerfs, I'm sure of it.

I just want a chance for my drell vanguard and my wraith to not only be of equal value in the eyes of my teammates but in my own eyes. I know that these classes and weapons are comparitively worthless, no matter how much I wish they weren't, and that's what sucks.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Vech24 wrote...

I swear to god if "Nerf Biotic Explosions" becomes the new "Nerf Quarian Infiltrator" I will eat all of your children.

The QI nerf was heavily needed. More so than this one

[Star fury]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Rockets.

If all 4 squaddies have 10 rockets, and that maybe enough. But if you have normal two cobras or even three, you will run out fast even if you use them wisely since wave 8 and killing two banshees with one shot. No.

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

focus fire? 

Good joke. You can scratch one banshee. Okay maybe you will kill one or two with concentrated fire while you will be downed one by one by ravagers and marauders.

[Mysterious Stranger 0.0]

Star fury wrote...

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

Rockets.

If all 4 squaddies have 10 rockets, and that maybe enough. But if you have normal two cobras or even three, you will run out fast even if you use them wisely since wave 8 and killing two banshees with one shot. No.

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

focus fire? 

Good joke. You can scratch one banshee. Okay maybe you will kill one or two with concentrated fire while you will be downed one by one by ravagers and marauders.

I've completed gold against the reapers without anyone having 10 rockets or biotic combos. it's not as impossible as you make it out to be. 

[Sherbet Lemon]

D Quixote wrote...

Kopikatsu wrote...

It will always be this way. It always is in every single game. The top tier players run what is most efficient and refuse to use anything else because it is a waste of time. You will never reach perfect balance between classes because perfect balance is impossible to achieve. Something will always be the best and if you nerf the current flavor of the month, all that will happen is people will find a new one.

So we just shouldn't even try to balance? Just let the game stagnate so that people who like playing one way are constantly at the top of the charts and clearing the hardest waves, while those who play another way are left behind? Never even given a chance to be overpowered? Doing nothing to balance the game would kill it faster than slight nerfs, I'm sure of it.

I just want a chance for my drell vanguard and my wraith to not only be of equal value in the eyes of my teammates but in my own eyes. I know that these classes and weapons are comparitively worthless, no matter how much I wish they weren't, and that's what sucks.

You should come join here and play with us!  We play for fun and try not to worry about all of that other stuff.  I've only started playing multiplayer recently and only with the Human Adept (unlocked Asari Adept recently), but I try to play support and not get in the way and try to really be cooperative.  Mostly because I'm not that great and am unfamiliar with multiplayer, but also because my primary goal is to have fun.  Your Drell Vanguard would be welcome!

[UK Wildcat]

Mysterious Stranger 0.0 wrote...

UK Wildcat wrote...

Solution? Nerf biotic combos. You are wrong in your original post, adepts are good against certain factions and not as good as others.

There are tons of combinations that can excel in MP to the point of rapidly clearing below 20 mins.

I remain convinced that infiltrators/soldiers have the potential for the fastest clear times, but biotics really is extremely easy and doesn't require very much skill to be effective. 

Soldiers?

Lolno. 

Cool phrase, your thoughts about soldiers lolirrelevant.  I'm willing to back up the things I type on this forum about effiiciency.  I don't just randomly think soldiers are good.

Modifié par UK Wildcat, 19 mars 2012 - 06:07 .

[Gwinever]

Star fury wrote...

OP is wrong. Asari adept was already nerfed. So what next you lot want? To force adepts to fight with their bare hands? Lol.

if they keep their splosions as it is that would be viable:O:devil:

[Giantdeathrobot]

Why not buff the lackluster classes/weapons instead of nerfing the effective ones?

[Rasputin17]

What is it that Asari Adepts do that make them so powerful? I know Stasis is great but do they need another squad mate or are they powerful enough on their own? Do they just Stasis everything then use throw?

[bigkahuna077]

All this post does is bring up how much more weapons need buffed,why play weapon based classes when power based classes norm outperform them. Especially against reapers on gold.

[Averas13]

Adepts are very easy to kill if you aren't careful. People also have a tendency to kill enemies before you can finish an explosion, which can be frustrating. It takes as much skill to succeed as an adept as with any other class. Maybe they are favorable to have on gold, but it's not as though you can win a match just from the adept's skill alone. A good team needs other players filling other roles, otherwise things will start falling apart when new/unfavorable situations arise.

[Peer of the Empire]

KainD wrote...

Your topic is wrong. Adepts are tuned fine, it is the weapons that have too low damage.

. Buff soldiers, and krogans

I have a newfound appreciation for adepts, having a drell who can melee on gold, but even so

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 19 mars 2012 - 06:51 .

[bigkahuna077]

Ill say it plain and simple, weapons damage needs buffed especially for the non power weapons, why play a non infiltrator weapon based class when power based classes normally outperform them, like comparing equally skilled shotty vanguard vs a nova/charge based vanguard.

[Gaploon]

Jackumzz wrote...

"Adept damage too high"

Yeah. And you can kill them with a water pistol.

+1 That is good one!

[Zaelene]

Another vote for weapons just being crap and biotic explosions being about right.

[DivinusErus]

Just swallow it. Weapons are ranked, powers aren't (not beyond the skill "tree", atleast). When people get their rank X rare/N7 weapons there won't be a significant difference between weapon and ability power.

If anything, buff weapons. Make SMG's and AR's more viable choices, etc. But rebalancing weapons against powers this early in the games lifespan, when the majority of people are lucky to have a rank II+ rare weapon they enjoy using, doesn't really seem like the way to go either.

I say it's fine the way it is, just improve your weapons and enjoy the Warp debuffs on the target in the time-window you have before it explodes.

[AreleX]

diversity is the enemy of balance in multiplayer games.

there is no such thing as perfect balance. by trying to achieve perfect balance, this game will be made incredibly dull. instead of whining about making things worse, make the less effective things better, and re-balance enemies as needed. i truly believe that a few simple changes would bring everything more in line without taking anything away, but that's a topic for another post.

[OblivionDawn]

I don't see the problem. My Infiltrator snipes stasis'd enemies all the time for massive damage. Adepts are awesome.

[NY Dynasty1977]

I hope BW doesnt do what DICE did with BF3 and nerf things that the community cries about. The game at beta was already questionable but after launch and all the QQ, it broke the game and made me miss bad company 2 even more, too bad servers are hardly ever full. the release of ME3 was a godsend as I pretty much gave BF3 its last run with 100 so hours in since launch (compared to BC2 in that time span easily 4 times as many hours) and did not expect the ME3 MP to be this much fun.

I run the adept, like it a lot, its fun. I do well but I dont think im OP b/c like stated earlier, to make ur powers ur primary, u pretty much gotta go out there with a slingshot, ur the weakest of all classes, ur melee sucks, and ur avg., at best, against shield. my solution is if u dont like ur team makeup at beginning of match (u can see who everyone is picking)....LEAVE AND FIND ANOTHER ONE!!!! U have that right as much as they have that right to play what they want as!!!! no one is forcing u to stay, its co-op for cryin out loud. this game is great, not perfect but pretty good class balance and theres a class setup here for everyone.

Now BF3, thats a game with balance issues...

Modifié par NY Dynasty1977, 19 mars 2012 - 07:37 .

[MartialArtsSurfer]

DivinusErus wrote...

Just swallow it. Weapons are ranked, powers aren't (not beyond the skill "tree", atleast). When people get their rank X rare/N7 weapons there won't be a significant difference between weapon and ability power.

If anything, buff weapons. Make SMG's and AR's more viable choices, etc. But rebalancing weapons against powers this early in the games lifespan, when the majority of people are lucky to have a rank II+ rare weapon they enjoy using, doesn't really seem like the way to go either.

I say it's fine the way it is, just improve your weapons and enjoy the Warp debuffs on the target in the time-window you have before it explodes.

Exactly... wait til you get Widow/Black Widow X, Carni X, Falcon X, etc

Biotic explosions damage (just like missile damage) scale with difficulty level along with mob health but weapon damage doesn't, hence the seeming imbalance. Weapons need buffing.

Snipers & pistols seem the best because they have a 50% inherent damage bonus vs. armor & the toughest mobs all have armor. SMGs & ARs have a 33% to 50% damage bonus vs. shields but most mobs don't have shields.

Modifié par MartialArtsSurfer, 19 mars 2012 - 07:35 .

[phos4us]

Most of those in favor of merging biotic explosions haven't played with those that have level X rare/n7 weapons. Played with a soldier with a falcon X. That's was "OP" compared to my biotic explosions. Imagine 8 mini biotic explosions every 5 seconds. Cerberus gold with 2 engineers with Falcon Level V and VII were lulz. Should that be nerfed too, even though it probably took them ton of credits (or bioware points) to earn?

Played with a salarian Infiltrator with a level X black widow that would take down an atlas single handedly in seconds. (cloak, energy drain, unload BW, repeat). Should I petition for that to be nerfed too?