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[daem3an]

Well, I finally made my way to the Urn of Sacred Ashes. I couldn't leave well enough alone and just had to blow that shiny horn before leaving. Needless to say I got spanked the first few times. I tried a lot of different approaches, including setting (several) freeze traps while unloading a dozen bombs into the dragon's face, all with little effect. I considered leaving and coming back at a higher level, but I figured the dragon would just use the time to level up some more, so I stuck it out.

For context I'm a level 13 rogue, playing on hard. Thus far I've used potions sparingly and only rarely do I accept a fight where someone gets wounded. I ended up moving under the arches where the dragon couldn't go, used Alistair as bait, and cast force field on him. After that it was pretty much Morrigan's show with 2 rogues adding ranged support while Nancy (aka Alistair) took a beating. But I still couldn't make it through this fight without going through at least half a dozen lesser health 'poultices' (hilarious that we drink poultices by the way), and probably the same number of lesser lyrium potions.

So I made it through without losing anyone, but I broke my 'almost no potions' streak. Outside of kiting and spamming potions, what other tactics have people used to take down the purple monster, and what did you do to avoid taking so much damage?

Modifié par daem3an, 29 novembre 2009 - 06:48 .

[Belrian]

I use the shale strategy. For some reason, Shale never gets grabbed, so I load him up with a lightning damager and the fire resist crystals, he tanks, Wynne heals and I range the dragon..the other person is usually Morrigan or Leliana since they can do some decent ranged dmg and Leliana adds somre regen.



Most often, I lose Leliana, but the other 3 come out with no problems.

[Jab0r]

Shale with maxed Stone Aura.
Really cuts down on the potions needed.

Modifié par Jab0r, 29 novembre 2009 - 06:51 .

[Belrian]

Yeah, Shale is a pretty darn good tank for all the "big" dragons all..3 of them in the game.

[Serenity84]

Morrigan + Cone of Cold



My other party members died fairly early, because I made the mistake of going in close instead of staying at range. But Morrigan somehow managed to solo the dragon after that. Took a while, but you can easily freeze it.

[Ninjaphrog]

I've already stated a very effective way of defeating the high dragon on normal difficulty in countless other posts regarding this....please for myself's sake check the other posts?

[daem3an]

Serenity84 wrote...
Morrigan + Cone of Cold

My other party members died fairly early, because I made the mistake of going in close instead of staying at range. But Morrigan somehow managed to solo the dragon after that. Took a while, but you can easily freeze it.

I was using this tactic for a while. I probably could have made it, but it was still potion-fest keeping her alive and in range to use cone of cold repeatedly. Maybe I just need more mana-regen gear and a few more points in constitution.

[ETSubmariner]

Belrian wrote...

Yeah, Shale is a pretty darn good tank for all the "big" dragons all..3 of them in the game.

Three!?  Where is the third?  I killed the High Dragon and the Archdemon, but a third heh?

I found that the High Dragon on the mountaintop doesn't like to go into the area beside the ruins, on the side closer to its ledge.  Ranged can stick there and not get much of anything while DPS and tanks can run her through.

[ComTrav]

-High fire resist, especially on tank (use warmth balms if you got'em)

-Face away from group

-Bring Wynne to heal. On Nightmare, you will need to set a high health percentage for the tank and will probably need to manually use Lifeward if he decides to use his grab move.

-Leliana, with Aim turned on, to bring the slow, steady DPS to wear him down



Works on nightmare, doesn't feel gimmicky! (Only needed to use 3-4 Greater Health Poultices on Juggernaut Alistair, and about the same amount of Lyrium potions for Wynne.)

[Belrian]

ETSubmariner wrote...

Belrian wrote...

Yeah, Shale is a pretty darn good tank for all the "big" dragons all..3 of them in the game.

Three!?  Where is the third?  I killed the High Dragon and the Archdemon, but a third heh?

I found that the High Dragon on the mountaintop doesn't like to go into the area beside the ruins, on the side closer to its ledge.  Ranged can stick there and not get much of anything while DPS and tanks can run her through.

Well the third isn't really a true "dragon".  Flemeth is a high dragon type

[Jab0r]

Three!? Where is the third? I killed the High Dragon and the Archdemon, but a third heh?

Shapeshifter turns into a dragon.

It's one of your companion quests.

[Dude1011]

All I did was have Alister have full juggernaught armor, Except for helm of honnolith, tank. Had me leline do range damage same with me since im a mage and whyne heal and do some winter grasps with me and a cone of cold every now and then. Whenever the dragon got to close we moved to the other side. Only took like 2 lyruim pots and a health one.

[Majspuffen]

Heh. I placed my companions away from the dragon, where they couldn't get hit by the flamebreath or a massive attack. I was going to give Oghren a bow but unfortunately he lacked the dexterity for it. So I just let him watch, while Wynne and Leliana shot the dragon from a range. I too (tank) equipped a bow, I taunted the dragon from time to time to keep aggro, the dragon would spit a fireball once or twice but it wouldn't do much. It only lands on two places so I kept running between the two, and once its health got low I equipped my sword and shield and went for the epic killing blow. Easy peasy.

[daem3an]

OK, so it looks like I didn't do too badly, considering I'm not using 2-3 mages or Shale, and only using 'lesser' potions. Alistair was in the Warden Commander armor, but it's a moot point because he sat in force field the entire time. The only damage he did was the finishing move. So... do people really solo this fight on hard or nightmare with a rogue? Really?

[weism]

If you play arcane warrior/blood mage, at lvl 14 killling dragon on nightmare is a cakewalk. Put on all your sustains, rock armor, fade shroud, miasma, kinetic, shimmering shield, combat magic and whatnot. run up to it and slash away. Others just leave them far behind, out of dragon's attack range.

I killed flemeth solo with my AW, only needed 8 health poultices. If I brough wynne along, I don't need any potions at all.

[Atmosfear3]

I've beaten all the dragons on the first try. Its really not that difficult. My strategy is as follows (as the tank but applies to any PC tbh, you should at least manually control your tank to begin):



1) Engage the dragon with your tank and immediately face it away from your group. Ideally you want your team on the dragon's flank.



2) Make sure Threaten and Shield Wall or Defense is active. I don't believe the dragons have any knockdowns so Shield Defense may be better since you'll have more avoidance as opposed to mitigation which may not be all that effective but it shouldn't even matter much (explained below).



3) Use all your high threat moves. Taunt and Assault followed by a few auto attacks. Be wary of the dragon's actions and don't stay too close.



4) Once you've established threat, move out of range of the dragon's melee. Their breath weapon are easily healed through and you can use balms to mitigate the damage even further.



5) Repeat step 3 until the dragon is dead.



6) You can either set your mage to automatically use Cone of Cold or you can manually do it yourself whenever it is off cooldown. Freezing the dragons if your tank gets grabbed can be a real life saver.



I guess all the WoW raiding experience paid off in this game!

[PhD-gaming]

I made my own "Dragon Killing Crew". My PC mage (mostly defensive), Sten, Alistair, and Ogrehn, with all the power I could give them. Sten had Yusaris and dragonbone plate, alistair in full templar, and I think Ogrehn with the forge master's hammer. Good times... no one died, and if I recall, it was level 18 on hard. Needless to say, a lot of healing spells were required.

[daem3an]

Atmosfear3 wrote...

snip!... I guess all the WoW raiding experience paid off in this game!

Nice. I was pretty cocky myself up until this fight, now I have been humbled. There is a knockdown move, by the way (Massive Attack maybe?), I was getting hit by it so much it was almost comical. I have shield defense and threaten, but not taunt or shield wall. To be honest I've gotten this far pretty much ignoring my tank abilities, but maybe I've just been lucky.

Modifié par daem3an, 29 novembre 2009 - 07:29 .

[Marillian]

I was level 17'ish on most my characters. It was myself, Shale, Wynne and Morrigan.

It was on Nightmare difficulty, and there was surprisingly no need to employ any tactics or exploits to get it down. It took one try.



The dragons have a nasty horsekick, so my greatest help was the indomitable ability.

[ijmorris]

Using COne of COld doesn't last long enough for you to restore the spell and cast it again...How do you avoid the flame breath with her?

[OneBadAssMother]

I just used split tanking tactics between me and Alistair with Wynne healing us. Took a while though, it gets hard during the grabs, have to cast both regen + heal to keep the character alive.

[GodLikeDevil]

Went with Morrigan, Sten, DW Rogue PC, Leliana Ranger. Tactic'd the Hell out of that fight, made sure the tanks drew aggro while my Rogue flanked and did the stabby thing, and Morrigan ran healing/support duties. Of course, kitted the crew with Juggernaut armor for Sten, Warden Commander Armor for my Rogue.

[Dark83]

I use pointy sticks.

daem3an wrote...

For context I'm a level 13 rogue

Well there's your problem right there. The dragons don't scale that low, as far as I know.

[Ron Brugal]

5 or 6 beers and a pee break

[Darthain]

I both times have toe to toe murdered the dragon, no cheap tactics. Lifeward has been essential as my tanks tend to get grabbed (Sten tanked with Yusaris once, Alistair the other). I tend to only keep the tank in melee to minimize healing required. after that, the fight is pretyt much tank and spank.