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[Oldbones2]

OK, so I like so many believe that the endings should be changed.  And I actually have some hope that they may be changed in the future.  That said I can't agree with those of us who say the endings should be free.

Here's why;

Endings cost money - This is the first and its a big one.  Someone has to pay the voice actors, the programmers, hell even the janitors.  While it would be great if those people donated their time, I don't think they would be willing and they shouldn't have to.  Some people will say, 'Bioware should foot the cost', I'll address the moral/ethical part of this later but really I think this is more of a gray area.  Yes Bioware owes us the ending they promised, but they shouldn't have to go broke delivering it.

Bioware didn't intend this - Bioware made a mistake with this ending.  I honestly think if they knew then what they know now, things would be different.  Bioware didn't want to make an unsatifying ending.  They didn't leave the ending out either (sorry indoctrination crowd).  They just made a bad call.  That's ok.  It happens to all of us.  And frankly I'm prepared to forgive and mostly forget this incident if they'll meet me halfway.

It's called compromise - I know, I know.  We shouldn't have to compromise cause we're right.  I agree, we are right.  If I didn't think that then I wouldn't be working so hard to get new endings.  BUT we have to be willing to give ground and make some concessions.  And I'd rather those concessions come from my wallet than from the new endings.  And frankly it shows that we can be mature customers, rather than the angry children so many label us.

Note that I'm not saying Bioware should get rich off their mistake, but they should AT LEAST be able to cover their costs.  

Depending on the work invovled the price of this DLC could range from 2-3 dollars (in case of very minor changes, mostly cutting out you know who) to 10 + dollars for the full range Dragon Age Origins, every choice matters, plus epilogue and cutscenes altered by war assets (like Destiny Ascention) ending.

I'd pay for that.

Thoughts?

[Intiakel]

My thoughts are, the resolution to the fan backlash is not a black and white ordeal. Changing the ending with paid DLC would probably please enough people that the remaining few no longer matter in the grand scheme

A free ending would be the best result for the fans, and no ending the best result for bioware (in the short term)

[justlogme]

I'd wish they were free, it set a trerrible prcedent to charge for a games ending, but I'm a realist and figure Bioware will charge if they ever do makin any ending DLC

[LegendaryBlade]

I already gave them eighty dollars. Not my fault they accidently left the more satisfying ending out of the game.

[OdanUrr]

I wouldn't pay for an Ending DLC. Why? Because the very idea of an Ending DLC would be an admission on Bioware's part that they released an unfinished product and, as such, I shouldn't be expected to pay for their mistakes.

[Han Shot First]

I'm with the OP.

Bioware didn't set out to troll its fans. No doubt when the writers created the ending they thought they were writing something that would be liked by most of the fanbase. They just happened to fall far short of their goal. It happens.

If Bioware releases DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion to the game, and they should, they have every right to charge for that content. Of course there are always going to be some fans who expect something for nothing.

[r00tb33r]

Well... I just don't see them dragging Martin Sheen back into the studio to record more TIM dialog lines. And that's sad. Very sad outcome for everyone, as I'm sure there are many frustrated and unhappy developers who want to make this thing right.

[_symphony]

is unrealistic to expect what was promised and advertised too?

[OdanUrr]

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm with the OP.

Bioware didn't set out to troll its fans. No doubt when the writers created the ending they thought they were writing something that would be liked by most of the fanbase. They just happened to fall far short of their goal. It happens.

If Bioware releases DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion to the game, and they should, they have every right to charge for that content. Of course there are always going to be some fans who expect something for nothing.

How come no-one, not a soul, even suggested the endings would arouse controversy at the time? The bad kind. If they had focus tested the endings, they would have dealt with the problem months ago. As it is, they're being forced to deal with it now.

[The Bastus]

I agree to a point, but when you buy something, and expect it to include certain important factors, no one would want to pay extra for those key elements, especially ones that were promised initially. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if Bioware hadn't hyped the resolutions up so much.

I mean if I told you I'd sell you a complete pair of shoes (guaranteed!), but when you get them they're both missing the laces, why should you have to pay extra for new laces? That's kind of the mentality here I think. A promise wasn't kept, and now we all have to wait and likely pay for the solution.

I personally don't expect any free new content, because yeah it's costly, however this situation will definitely make me more wary when it comes to purchasing/subscribing to Bioware products. So yeah, sure I'd pay, frankly I love this game. But I definitely wouldn't be happy about it.

Modifié par The Bastus, 19 mars 2012 - 03:43 .

[Sdrol117]

 Well here is the problem. We expected something for something, Hence ME3. But we payed for trash. So now we want some compensation. I mean, it's not even just about the endings. The game has so much wrong with it.

[Gibb_Shepard]

It needs to be free. No matter their intentions, Bioware know that charging for an ending will set the internet on fire. Many will assume this was their plan all along.

In the end, it is an absolutely terrible move from a business perspective. A free ending will renew fan loyalty, enhance public perception and open up their following DLC to a much large market. I is the best thing to do.

[Han Shot First]

OdanUrr wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm with the OP.

Bioware didn't set out to troll its fans. No doubt when the writers created the ending they thought they were writing something that would be liked by most of the fanbase. They just happened to fall far short of their goal. It happens.

If Bioware releases DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion to the game, and they should, they have every right to charge for that content. Of course there are always going to be some fans who expect something for nothing.

How come no-one, not a soul, even suggested the endings would arouse controversy at the time? The bad kind. If they had focus tested the endings, they would have dealt with the problem months ago. As it is, they're being forced to deal with it now.

Probably for the same reason that no bankers thought, "Hey, this whole sub-prime lending thing is bound to blow up in our faces." Chalk it up to human error.

[Menethra]

I dont expect some ending dlc to be free while it might enrage some people it sits okay with me. These things take time and money, hiring voice actors, designing scene's ect i cannot seriously expect to sit here and think " You know what? This should be free or bioware can gtfo! "

I'll pay for any DLC that improves upon the ending.

[BanksHector]

I might pay for a DLC that improves upon the ending, but I would have to see reviews and stuff before I could make up my mind on it.

[meisjoe]

I don't mind paying for it, if it added content besides just the ending... My point is - if it's $10 just for an ending "fix" - that's going to suck.

[Insane 1]

Well I spent $220 for ME1, 2, & 3 (ME3 CE) and pretty much made everything not worth it, seeing how bad the ending left us, and if you don't think the end wasn't sabotaged, then you are kidding yourself. If this was truly the end, there would be absolutely NO reason to have 3 main endings that are essentially the same outcome. It was sabotaged fully knowing this was going to happen (though not knowing how enraged we would get) just to pretend like they're making DLC to compensate when really was just to take even more money out from the customers just as From Ashes was.

[Eriene]

I would pay for a DLC that includes goodies, MP maps, and the usual you'd expect from one. If they plan to add a different conclusion for the ending of the game, I am hoping they'd have the decency to have it free and available to all ME3 owners.

[Alexraptor1]

I don't understand how they can even begin to think that.

We were told several times that we would have over 16 endings, and that they would be highly divergent based on our plot decisions.
With that said, i cannot see how they could honestly expect we would be pleased with being shoehorned into a single path/ending after those statements.

[DeinonSlayer]

Provided it was satisfactory, I would be willing to pay for ending DLC which mitigated the current issues.

Once.

[Stealth3]

Are you guys being ****ing retarded?

No **** the endings shouldn't be free. Bioware/EA should pay for them out of the millions of $ of profit they made from this game.

[devSin]

Oldbones2 wrote...

OK, so I like so many believe that the endings should be changed.  And I actually have some hope that they may be changed in the future.  That said I can't agree with those of us who say the endings should be free.

Threads like this have been posted in the story board for days. "Would you pay for it?"

The overwhelming response is always yes, absolutely.

If BioWare feels it is necessary to charge for it, people will pay.

I'll pay for it, whatever they want to charge.

[_symphony]

OdanUrr wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm with the OP.

Bioware didn't set out to troll its fans. No doubt when the writers created the ending they thought they were writing something that would be liked by most of the fanbase. They just happened to fall far short of their goal. It happens.

If Bioware releases DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion to the game, and they should, they have every right to charge for that content. Of course there are always going to be some fans who expect something for nothing.

How come no-one, not a soul, even suggested the endings would arouse controversy at the time? The bad kind. If they had focus tested the endings, they would have dealt with the problem months ago. As it is, they're being forced to deal with it now.

The same thing was wondered when Deception was out, really, is crapstorm after crapstorm these days...

[Kami102]

I hate to admit, and while every nerve in my body tells me not to, but if Bioware were to come out with an ending DLC, I wouldn't care how much it is. I want it.

I'm pretty much so invested in the series that they pretty much have me by the balls.

$10? $30? If it fixes and addresses the endings and makes for such a hugely satisfactory ending, I'll buy it.


Please.

;__;

[Stealth3]

Its not the writer's fault, stop blaming them. Those games get reviewed over and over before they go through. The leads in charge of the game are the ones to blame. Changes are, the writers were dictated how to end this.

Modifié par Stealth3, 19 mars 2012 - 04:00 .