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[Toralian]

I won't pay for their mistakes twice.I'll just pirate it.Saves works fine, so no problem at all.

[Gatt9]

Stealth3 wrote...

Are you guys being ****ing retarded?

No **** the endings shouldn't be free. Bioware/EA should pay for them out of the millions of $ of profit they made from this game.

The alternative is that EA collapses.  Charging for the ending would shred all remaining good will,  the Bioware brand would become completely worthless,  though I doubt it's worth much at this point anyways,  the EA brand isn't worth much.  People already associate it with sub-par quality and cash-grabs. 

The backlash would be fantastic.  The NFL is already only giving EA 1 year extensions,  they'll likely pull the license if they can,  or refuse to renew it if they can't.  FIFA will also pull out.

Without the NFL,  EA will be forced to support itself on it's internally developed projects.  Which appear to be underperforming en-masse (Dead Space 2,  DA2,  Bulletstorm,  Shadows of the Damned,  Syndicate,  Kingdowms of somethingorother).  EA won't make it a year.  Especially since they claimed they sold 10 million units of BF3,  2 million of TOR,  and residual NFL/FIFA sales in the last quarter and still posted a 275 million dollar loss.

They have two options at this point.  Do the right thing and handle the ME3 problems fairly be delivering what they promised in their advertisments,  or they start inventorying the hardware and IPs for the bankruptcy auction.  They will not survive this by money-grubbing.  They may not even survive this by doing the right thing,  apparently they've hit a tipping point and I'd venture the gaming journalists just received notice that they're in the same boat.

[dragonflight288]

I won't pay for their mistakes twice.I'll just pirate it.Saves works fine, so no problem at all.

So you'd rather break the law, and if you get caught, be fined (if you live in America) $25,000 roughly or ten years in prison?

[MasterEcabob]

Yeah, this is baffling me as well. No matter how justified the ending "movement" may be on its own, the ones chanting "it should be good and it should fix everything and it should be free" are just nuts. They expect the writers-the writers, who, according to them, ruined the series completely-to come up with something right now out of thin air.

These things cost money and time. The writers made a mistake, and they truly want to please the fans. But if things do change, then it will take genuine effort, which includes capital. And, besides all that, they might get the ending even worse than when it started.

smh

[dragonflight288]

There is a saying. Be careful in what you wish for, because you may get it.

[Stealth3]

dragonflight288 wrote...

I won't pay for their mistakes twice.I'll just pirate it.Saves works fine, so no problem at all.

So you'd rather break the law, and if you get caught, be fined (if you live in America) $25,000 roughly or ten years in prison?

Are you ****ing kidding me?  Go get educated kid

[DeinonSlayer]

Toralian wrote...

I won't pay for their mistakes twice.I'll just pirate it.Saves works fine, so no problem at all.

That's... just about the dumbest thing you could say OR do. Didn't you submit email and/or paypal/credit card type identifying information when you signed up here? You're hurting yourself, you're hurting the company you're demanding a fix from, you're hurting the reputation of everyone here.

Just go.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 19 mars 2012 - 04:28 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

The game's ending always costs money... It should've been on the disc.

[Zalbik]

I already $$$ PAIDED $$$

[RocketManSR2]

I agree that it shouldn't be free. I've said this before, but I think it would be nice if it was offered at a discount so that only the cost of making it was recouped in the end. I have no interest in seeing BioWare out of business. There aren't a lot of companies around who care as much for their customers as BioWare. I firmly believe that and won't be told otherwise.

[Stealth3]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I agree that it shouldn't be free. I've said this before, but I think it would be nice if it was offered at a discount so that only the cost of making it was recouped in the end. I have no interest in seeing BioWare out of business. There aren't a lot of companies around who care as much for their customers as BioWare. I firmly believe that and won't be told otherwise.

Bioware doesn't give a **** about its customers, otherwise they wouldnt lie straight in their faces. 

If the ending doesn't prove it, I don't know what does. 

[Renewed]

If it's like ME2 and adds story through DLC... then I'll take it. Regardless, I still took what good there was from my choice in the ending and if a DLC will change this, I'll pay.

[Oldbones2]

Guys. I know the endings suck. I know that the promises were repeatedly broken. That's why we hold the line.

But we have to get past that.

It's realistic to expect a company to abide its promises, it is not realistic to expect people to work for free.

I don't want to pay for a new ending(s). I wish to God the better endings were on the disk. But it's time to suck it up and accept that not everything is going to go our way.

We deserve what they promised us. But they deserve to be paid for their work.

We need to be prepared to meet them halfway like adults, not stand there and always demand more like brats.

[dragonflight288]

Are you ****ing kidding me? Go get educated kid

I am educated. In the U.S. an act if piracy, if caught, in music, is roughly 25,000 dollars per song or five to ten years in prison. I assumed its the same for DLC content. I may be wrong and I acknowledge it. It was a rough estimate. No need to get personal, or make assumption of my age.

Remember, we're all fans of the same game, no need to be enemies. Let's at least try to be civil and respectfully disagree with people's opinions.

[MikoDoll]

Oldbones2 wrote...

OK, so I like so many believe that the endings should be changed.  And I actually have some hope that they may be changed in the future.  That said I can't agree with those of us who say the endings should be free.

Here's why;

Endings cost money - This is the first and its a big one.  Someone has to pay the voice actors, the programmers, hell even the janitors.  While it would be great if those people donated their time, I don't think they would be willing and they shouldn't have to.  Some people will say, 'Bioware should foot the cost', I'll address the moral/ethical part of this later but really I think this is more of a gray area.  Yes Bioware owes us the ending they promised, but they shouldn't have to go broke delivering it.

Bioware didn't intend this - Bioware made a mistake with this ending.  I honestly think if they knew then what they know now, things would be different.  Bioware didn't want to make an unsatifying ending.  They didn't leave the ending out either (sorry indoctrination crowd).  They just made a bad call.  That's ok.  It happens to all of us.  And frankly I'm prepared to forgive and mostly forget this incident if they'll meet me halfway.

It's called compromise - I know, I know.  We shouldn't have to compromise cause we're right.  I agree, we are right.  If I didn't think that then I wouldn't be working so hard to get new endings.  BUT we have to be willing to give ground and make some concessions.  And I'd rather those concessions come from my wallet than from the new endings.  And frankly it shows that we can be mature customers, rather than the angry children so many label us.

Note that I'm not saying Bioware should get rich off their mistake, but they should AT LEAST be able to cover their costs.  

Depending on the work invovled the price of this DLC could range from 2-3 dollars (in case of very minor changes, mostly cutting out you know who) to 10 + dollars for the full range Dragon Age Origins, every choice matters, plus epilogue and cutscenes altered by war assets (like Destiny Ascention) ending.

I'd pay for that.

Thoughts?

People already paid 10 bucks for that Prothean mission which was already part of the game. Now we have to pay for multiple endings? People who feel Bioware promoted the idea of non ABC endings and the like are going to feel like they paid even more than they were supposed to for a complete game as if the Prothean mission wasn't enough drama. It also sets a bad example because it's not as though the script wasn't leaked and there wasn't an outcry.  This can communicate that developers can deliberately make crappy endings to promote more DLC. While I'd love an ending I wouldn't want to pay anymore than $2 on a happy ending. Since they already made additional money on that Prothean mission they can use that to pay everyone since that was already part of the game with no additional labor outside of the game.

Modifié par MikoDoll, 19 mars 2012 - 04:35 .

[RocketManSR2]

What if it was offered for free to owners of the CE?

[wijse]

You mean they haven't already received something? They have filled their pockets with our money thats what they have.

Modifié par wijse, 19 mars 2012 - 04:49 .

[_symphony]

selling a DLC that fixes this would work... once. Would you jump in the pre-order bandwagon with BioWare's next game after that?

[MikoDoll]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

What if it was offered for free to owners of the CE?

CE? Not good with Acronymns here. Do you mean the Prothean mission? If so I'd agree to that. Let the people who already paid Bioware extra for content already on the game get a free ride.  I'm not completely satisfied with that but it's better than making everyone pay for the content they said they'd provide (no ABC endings) The people who paid for that prothean mission already paid their due and it probably hurt them the most to pay not 60 but 70 bucks. Anymore money and we are looking at paying nearly 100 cahoonies.

Modifié par MikoDoll, 19 mars 2012 - 04:38 .

[Galbrant]

I won't pay for the Ending DLC.... but I will buy DLC that will help fund it like more side missions for more war assets, hell I even pay if they add new weapons or armor in the games shops for us to track down or buy providing they are worth the price,

Also Bioware if you do add a Ending patch or DLC.... Please add the old style journal much like ME2 Journal and quest system. I am getting the game soon and I know it may be awhile if you decide to do this. But it would make those side missions go oh so much smoother.

Modifié par Galbrant, 19 mars 2012 - 04:39 .

[Chromie]

Oldbones2 wrote...

Endings cost money - This is the first and its a big one. 
Thoughts?

Hard Reset a shooter that plays like an old school Duke Nukem game almost is getting an expansion and if you bought the game already you get it for free.

Witcher 2 is being patched which is dubbed "Enhanced Edition" it has 4-6 hours of new content, quests, characters, voice actors and environments. All previous dlc and preorder bonuses are free (this was before the new patch) and the previous patch added a tutorial, difficulty mode and an Arena similar to Mass Effect's Pinnacle Station except much better.

[MikoDoll]

I said it in the other thread. Fans already paid extra for content already on the CD. I hear there were also not 16 endings and IF that is so, that'd mean the endings are done and ready for DLC anyway. In any case, we know the Prothean mission was already made, they can use the extra DLC money off that to pay for the extra labor supposing they didn't make a good ending from the start.

Modifié par MikoDoll, 19 mars 2012 - 04:44 .