Such bad, bad implications. The more I think about it, the less convinced I am things will end well. Not just for EA, but even their customer base.Gatt9 wrote...
The alternative is that EA collapses. Charging for the ending would shred all remaining good will, the Bioware brand would become completely worthless, though I doubt it's worth much at this point anyways, the EA brand isn't worth much. People already associate it with sub-par quality and cash-grabs.Stealth3 wrote...
Are you guys being ****ing retarded?
No **** the endings shouldn't be free. Bioware/EA should pay for them out of the millions of $ of profit they made from this game.
The backlash would be fantastic. The NFL is already only giving EA 1 year extensions, they'll likely pull the license if they can, or refuse to renew it if they can't. FIFA will also pull out.
Without the NFL, EA will be forced to support itself on it's internally developed projects. Which appear to be underperforming en-masse (Dead Space 2, DA2, Bulletstorm, Shadows of the Damned, Syndicate, Kingdowms of somethingorother). EA won't make it a year. Especially since they claimed they sold 10 million units of BF3, 2 million of TOR, and residual NFL/FIFA sales in the last quarter and still posted a 275 million dollar loss.
They have two options at this point. Do the right thing and handle the ME3 problems fairly be delivering what they promised in their advertisments, or they start inventorying the hardware and IPs for the bankruptcy auction. They will not survive this by money-grubbing. They may not even survive this by doing the right thing, apparently they've hit a tipping point and I'd venture the gaming journalists just received notice that they're in the same boat.
I thnk it's unrealistic to expect something for nothing.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:52
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:53
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I said it in the other thread. Fans already paid extra for content already on the CD. I hear there were also not 16 endings and IF that is so, that'd mean the endings are done and ready for DLC anyway. In any case, we know the Prothean mission was already made, they can use the extra DLC money off that to pay for the extra labor supposing they didn't make a good ending from the start.
The prothean mission was not already made. The prothean was originally supposed to be an important character story wise, but was cut because of time restraints. I instead, Bioware parts of the character on the disc (just like they did with Kasumi and Zaeed) and made the mission and all the dialogue/cutscenes separately through DLC after ME3 had gone gold. If you modify the code on PC, you do get the prothean, just like if you modify the code in ME2 you can get Kasumi and Zaeed, but you don't get any of the missions, cutscenes, and certain parts of the dialogue that come with the DLC.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:57
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It's not my fault they lied to us about How Many endings there actually was, 3 endings all bad no matter how you slice it, is just an unacceptable way of ending and epic series, what were they thinking when they made those endings ?
An no I won't pay for something we were promised *16 endings ? one's bound to be good right ?*, it should be Patched in for everyone who legitimately own the game *not hard to do*. Its them actually doing this that I think will Never happen how ever but were see how this plays out.
An no I won't pay for something we were promised *16 endings ? one's bound to be good right ?*, it should be Patched in for everyone who legitimately own the game *not hard to do*. Its them actually doing this that I think will Never happen how ever but were see how this plays out.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:58
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As along as they add on to the current ending and make the series end in a well matter that makes sense and does not leave the galaxy to it's doom, then I will be willing to pay.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 04:59
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Sorileus wrote...
It's not my fault they lied to us about How Many endings there actually was, 3 endings all bad no matter how you slice it, is just an unacceptable way of ending and epic series, what were they thinking when they made those endings ?
An no I won't pay for something we were promised, it should be Patched in for everyone who legitimately own the game *not hard to do*. Its them actually doing this that I think will Never happen how ever but were see how this plays out.
Regardless of how this goes, I hope everyone stocked up on popcorn and grabbed a comfy chair...
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:00
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Assuming this is true do you think however that $10 is a bit much though? That's like 1/6th of the overall game's price and I doubt it has 1/6th of the content. I mean would they seriously have not made enough profit off of it to pay their developers by now to clear up their false advertising? To be honest I guess I could pay for a DLC, I just don't agree with another 10 dollar DLC. No more than half that price Imo..
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:03
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How much money will it take to create the DLC? How much money does EA have? How much money will EA bring in on future DLC if they make people happy with free DLC? I'm pretty sure any cost of making end dlc for free would be outweighed by all the additional DLC people would buy on top of it.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:06
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To the people who object on moral or ethical grounds.
I really don't think many companies would ever even consider redoing an ending. That fact that Bioware will, (assuming they do of course) would be a victory.
But no matter what happens BW is never going to risk making this mistake again. EVER.
In fact I'm willing to bet other developers will learn lessons from this because NO ONE is going to want the negative publicity that's really starting to build now.
Like I said at the beginning, I don't think its right to pay for the alt ending DLC, I think its realistic.
Also for the last time, there are no secret endings, the 'sixteen endings' we got are on your disk and available right now. Bioware does not have the ultimate ending stashed, if they did, they would use it.
And finally to in regards to finance. You can't tell Bioware, you've got my CE money or my day one DLC money or even my ME 3 money, that should be enough. Bioware is a corporation. They need money like we need air. And I agree with MikoDoll 10 dollars is quite high, but what I want, (direct impact on ending from story from all three points of game, individual cutscenes or at least subsections of cutscenes unique to each ending and a Dragon Age level of choice in endings with full epilogues) is, when you think about it, quite a bit to add to the game.
Plus EA will probably be much more inclined to back an alt ending, if they see the fans are willing to pay. We want EA on our side people.
I really don't think many companies would ever even consider redoing an ending. That fact that Bioware will, (assuming they do of course) would be a victory.
But no matter what happens BW is never going to risk making this mistake again. EVER.
In fact I'm willing to bet other developers will learn lessons from this because NO ONE is going to want the negative publicity that's really starting to build now.
Like I said at the beginning, I don't think its right to pay for the alt ending DLC, I think its realistic.
Also for the last time, there are no secret endings, the 'sixteen endings' we got are on your disk and available right now. Bioware does not have the ultimate ending stashed, if they did, they would use it.
And finally to in regards to finance. You can't tell Bioware, you've got my CE money or my day one DLC money or even my ME 3 money, that should be enough. Bioware is a corporation. They need money like we need air. And I agree with MikoDoll 10 dollars is quite high, but what I want, (direct impact on ending from story from all three points of game, individual cutscenes or at least subsections of cutscenes unique to each ending and a Dragon Age level of choice in endings with full epilogues) is, when you think about it, quite a bit to add to the game.
Plus EA will probably be much more inclined to back an alt ending, if they see the fans are willing to pay. We want EA on our side people.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:13
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Gatt9 wrote...
The alternative is that EA collapses. Charging for the ending would shred all remaining good will, the Bioware brand would become completely worthless, though I doubt it's worth much at this point anyways, the EA brand isn't worth much. People already associate it with sub-par quality and cash-grabs.
The backlash would be fantastic. The NFL is already only giving EA 1 year extensions, they'll likely pull the license if they can, or refuse to renew it if they can't. FIFA will also pull out.
Without the NFL, EA will be forced to support itself on it's internally developed projects. Which appear to be underperforming en-masse (Dead Space 2, DA2, Bulletstorm, Shadows of the Damned, Syndicate, Kingdowms of somethingorother). EA won't make it a year. Especially since they claimed they sold 10 million units of BF3, 2 million of TOR, and residual NFL/FIFA sales in the last quarter and still posted a 275 million dollar loss.
They have two options at this point. Do the right thing and handle the ME3 problems fairly be delivering what they promised in their advertisments, or they start inventorying the hardware and IPs for the bankruptcy auction. They will not survive this by money-grubbing. They may not even survive this by doing the right thing, apparently they've hit a tipping point and I'd venture the gaming journalists just received notice that they're in the same boat.
Hahahahahahaha you are so arrogant sounding! I don't think you understand how big of a business EA is. Guess what, ME3 sold 800,000 units it's first 24 hours! Do you honestly think this is going to hurt them in any way?? Bioware will be just fine too. When Dragon Age II launched, BSN screamed and hollered and said "Bioware is going to fail." Look at SWToR, it had one million subscribers in its first month, ME3 is selling like crazy, and even though everyone is ****ing all of ME3 DLC will sell incredibly well. People like you, who sit on the forums screaming for EA and Bioware's heads make up a small portion of their consumers. If anything they're glad to see people like you go so they don't have to listen to you anymore.
None of this matters in the slightest. It has already happened. EA doesn't make decisions based upon money they have already made (or lost). They make decisions based upon the ability to make money in the future. Pissing your fans off enough to cancel their TOR accounts certainly doesn't help (and that is a lot of money to be throwing off the table, as it is a functional annuity with far greater revenue implications than a piece of DLC). Neither does throwing out 15 years worth of goodwill and trust built up with a loyal fanbase. The negative publicity from it certainly wouldn't help either.
EA/Bioware has to weigh implications like these against the cost of producing dlc endings, and determine if further inciting their fanbase is worth the potential return they would make on the dlc content. It might, but its not really cut and dry.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:18
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OP you're wrong. Precedent has been set in business, if you promise a product that does something and it fails you eat the cost to make it right. The business strategy makes sense, loose money now to secure our customer and make money later. Every business interested in long term success practices this.
Now the problem is BW doesn't think they delivered anything less then what they promised. So they need to decide what's more important, next quarter's financial statement or next year's financial statement.
Now the problem is BW doesn't think they delivered anything less then what they promised. So they need to decide what's more important, next quarter's financial statement or next year's financial statement.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:19
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Do you know how good that DLC would have to be if Bioware made us pay for it?...
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:21
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I already paid them $70. Included in that payment was the confidence that Bioware would be competent enough not to choose the worst possible ending imaginable for a series based around choice. Clearly, I was as wrong as a person can be. Paying for a DLC ending would create a horrible precedent for the rest of the industry. As consumers, we already have enough trouble to getting access to everything on the disc that we payed for. Enough is enough!
If I go to a restaurant and find a cockroach in my food, you can be sure that I'll never go back to that restaurant again. Even if the meal was excellent before I discovered the cockroach. It ruins the entire meal! Same with the ME ending, it ruins the entire experience.
If I go to a restaurant and find a cockroach in my food, you can be sure that I'll never go back to that restaurant again. Even if the meal was excellent before I discovered the cockroach. It ruins the entire meal! Same with the ME ending, it ruins the entire experience.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:26
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I'd pay. BioWare doesn't HAVE to make an ending. They'd lose me if they don't, but if they do, and they listen to me as a customer, yep, I'll pay.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:29
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Federally wrote...
OP you're wrong. Precedent has been set in business, if you promise a product that does something and it fails you eat the cost to make it right. The business strategy makes sense, loose money now to secure our customer and make money later. Every business interested in long term success practices this.
Now the problem is BW doesn't think they delivered anything less then what they promised. So they need to decide what's more important, next quarter's financial statement or next year's financial statement.
And in a perfect world it would be free. Hell in a perfect world, the game wouldn't have had that ending (for some of us). But we live in this world.
Try to look at it from BW's point of view. To them they have given us what they promised. Just changing the ending (and I do mean on a large, money devouring scale) IS A HUGE CONCESSION for them. It's them publicly screaming, we made a huge mistake. That in itself is a big risk.
And as for precedent, I'm not going to buy a Bioware preorder for a long time, no matter what happens, are you? Bioware will remember this, trust me.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If, no, WHEN Bioware reaches out to make this right, don't slap their hand away.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:29
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Oldbones2 wrote...
To the people who object on moral or ethical grounds.
I really don't think many companies would ever even consider redoing an ending. That fact that Bioware will, (assuming they do of course) would be a victory.
But no matter what happens BW is never going to risk making this mistake again. EVER.
In fact I'm willing to bet other developers will learn lessons from this because NO ONE is going to want the negative publicity that's really starting to build now.
Like I said at the beginning, I don't think its right to pay for the alt ending DLC, I think its realistic.
Also for the last time, there are no secret endings, the 'sixteen endings' we got are on your disk and available right now. Bioware does not have the ultimate ending stashed, if they did, they would use it.
And finally to in regards to finance. You can't tell Bioware, you've got my CE money or my day one DLC money or even my ME 3 money, that should be enough. Bioware is a corporation. They need money like we need air. And I agree with MikoDoll 10 dollars is quite high, but what I want, (direct impact on ending from story from all three points of game, individual cutscenes or at least subsections of cutscenes unique to each ending and a Dragon Age level of choice in endings with full epilogues) is, when you think about it, quite a bit to add to the game.
Plus EA will probably be much more inclined to back an alt ending, if they see the fans are willing to pay. We want EA on our side people.
Do you realize the kind of backlash they can expect if they release a paid Ending DLC? Those are three words (granted, DLC is just an acronym) you do not want to string together in the same sentence.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:30
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There is absolutely no way Bioware will release a free ending DLC. It just isn't feasible. The only thing Bioware might release for free would be a scrolling epilogue like at the end of DA:O.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:30
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I can understand why people wouldn't want to pay, but I would pay. I don't want to "punish" BioWare. I just want them to do justice to their own product.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:32
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Throwing out 'Bioware didn't intentionally create endings they knew most would absolutely hate.' is a complete straw-man arguement. Of course they didn't intentionally seek to anger and antagonize their customers. That doesn't absolve Bioware of the financial consequences of providing a product deemed unsatisfactory by many of their paying clients. Those conseqences can either be incurred now in the cost of creating an alternative ending DLC or in financially weathering a continuing ill-will campaign waged by individuals who personally turn away from buying future EA/Bioware products to those who are using social media to draw attention to and further inflame the situation. That's not a threat - it's an observation and opinion based on what's already going on now and likely to continue. For good and bad social media has become a many edged tool that cuts many ways and often unpredicatably.
In my opinion legitimate compromise is accepting the fact that full re-writes that totally eliminate the existing plot holes and endings won't be provided - more likely additional material that diverges the narrative around and beyond them giving the player's Shepard character, crew, and the galaxy more satisfactory alternative end-states.
It's not like EA/Bioware just broke even, only able to cover wages and overhead from initial ME3 sales - they've made a sizable profit already - ME3 is going to continue to sell boxes/downloads as well as continue to receive revenue from folks purchasing Bioware points for the multiplayer online portion of ME3 - that's where the cost of repairing the good will of their customer base needs to come from. Some make it sound like the cost would be asking employees to work for free or taking food out of their mouths? No. Reducing the corporate profit margin on an extremely profitable endeavor and continuing to do repeat business with existing clients would be the smart business move. Going from currently extremely profitable to just very profitable would seem far preferable to being formerly profitable.
In my opinion legitimate compromise is accepting the fact that full re-writes that totally eliminate the existing plot holes and endings won't be provided - more likely additional material that diverges the narrative around and beyond them giving the player's Shepard character, crew, and the galaxy more satisfactory alternative end-states.
It's not like EA/Bioware just broke even, only able to cover wages and overhead from initial ME3 sales - they've made a sizable profit already - ME3 is going to continue to sell boxes/downloads as well as continue to receive revenue from folks purchasing Bioware points for the multiplayer online portion of ME3 - that's where the cost of repairing the good will of their customer base needs to come from. Some make it sound like the cost would be asking employees to work for free or taking food out of their mouths? No. Reducing the corporate profit margin on an extremely profitable endeavor and continuing to do repeat business with existing clients would be the smart business move. Going from currently extremely profitable to just very profitable would seem far preferable to being formerly profitable.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:33
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Well, I just wish Kaiden's bonus power wasn't Reave.. I never let that bozo live.. so I guess no Reave for me.. my Vanguard weeps..
Biotic tears.
Biotic tears.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:34
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Yes I know there will be backlash that's why I made the thread to try and convince people that we should accept it now, so it isn't as distasteful later.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:36
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Wow, the EA machine did a great job of disseminating this whole 'entitlement' thing. Hats off to them.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:36
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Oldbones2 wrote...
Yes I know there will be backlash that's why I made the thread to try and convince people that we should accept it now, so it isn't as distasteful later.
Plus, what makes you think they will release an Ending DLC at all? I'm still waiting for someone to re-write Act III of DA2.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 05:37
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Curious, what if Bioware took a middle road and essentially put a permanant sale on the DLC? Lair of the Shadow Broker was $10, so if they offered ending DLC for $5 would this be acceptable? They would still end up taking a loss, but it wouldn't be as significant to the bean-counters as full comp.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:02
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Like I said already
Hard Reset a shooter that plays like an old school Duke Nukem game almost is getting an expansion and if you bought the game already you get it for free.
Witcher 2 is being patched which is dubbed "Enhanced Edition" it has 4-6 hours of new content, quests, characters, voice actors and environments. All previous dlc and preorder bonuses are free (this was before the new patch) and the previous patch added a tutorial, difficulty mode and an Arena similar to Mass Effect's Pinnacle Station except much better.
This is why people think so.
Hard Reset a shooter that plays like an old school Duke Nukem game almost is getting an expansion and if you bought the game already you get it for free.
Witcher 2 is being patched which is dubbed "Enhanced Edition" it has 4-6 hours of new content, quests, characters, voice actors and environments. All previous dlc and preorder bonuses are free (this was before the new patch) and the previous patch added a tutorial, difficulty mode and an Arena similar to Mass Effect's Pinnacle Station except much better.
OdanUrr wrote...
Oldbones2 wrote...
Yes I know there will be backlash that's why I made the thread to try and convince people that we should accept it now, so it isn't as distasteful later.
Plus, what makes you think they will release an Ending DLC at all? I'm still waiting for someone to re-write Act III of DA2.
This is why people think so.
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Posté 19 mars 2012 - 06:04
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If they sell us an ending, that DLC had better be jammed packed with other things to make my money worth it, else Im just gonna wait for it on youtube. Also that would be another PR nightmare altogether. Try saving your company's reputation when the last game you were known for was selling a correction of your own silly mistake.
