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[Midarenkov]

I think it was unrealistic to expect nothing for something.

[Kanner]

This is not 'something for nothing'.

I already have nothing, but I paid $50 for it. What I want now is 'something'.

Yes it's unrealistic, given that an ending DLC is going to be a massive amount of work, will require rejigging large parts of the game, and is in all probability light-years beyond the abilities of Mac Walters et al to actually write.

But it's that, or accept that 'Bioware' is now a net liability to stamp on the side of a game box as far as sales go.

Modifié par Kanner, 19 mars 2012 - 06:09 .

[Federally]

Don't forget EA in all of this. Their rep as a publisher is being further tarnished and their larger pockets and larger potential losses due to fan anger significantly change the economics of this situation. EA doesn't wanna loose the BW cash cow and don't want their other publishing endeavors to suffer.

[devSin]

MikoDoll wrote...

Assuming this is true do you think however that $10 is a bit much though?

I think it's a bit early to discuss price points.

There's no knowing what is even on the table at this point, much less how they would intend to incorporate it into the game.

Content first. Price later.

Modifié par devSin, 19 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[Chromie]

Midarenkov wrote...

I think it was unrealistic to expect nothing for something.

Why not? If EA wanted to sell us a complete game why not just charge $70 in the first damn place?

[Douglas Nicol]

Anyone remember a similiar response a few years back?

The ending to Fallout 3 which was really flawed if you had all the companions with you. It was fixed with DLC, granted it also had some other content on it.

I think I would pay if it was fixed, not too much, but it would depend on what else is with it.

[Chromie]

Douglas Nicol wrote...

Anyone remember a similiar response a few years back?

The ending to Fallout 3 which was really flawed if you had all the companions with you. It was fixed with DLC, granted it also had some other content on it.

I think I would pay if it was fixed, not too much, but it would depend on what else is with it.

Eww fallout 3. It doesn't deserve the name Fallout.

[Douglas Nicol]

Skelter192 wrote...

Douglas Nicol wrote...

Anyone remember a similiar response a few years back?

The ending to Fallout 3 which was really flawed if you had all the companions with you. It was fixed with DLC, granted it also had some other content on it.

I think I would pay if it was fixed, not too much, but it would depend on what else is with it.

Eww fallout 3. It doesn't deserve the name Fallout.

The fact remains that a game ending that was also regarded as pretty poor was fixed, this may yet happen with ME3

[Montana]

Wether an Alternate ending dlc would cost money or not depends on how much of a rewrite they did.

If they just recut the ending so it makes sense, adding minimum new content: It should be free.
If it contains more than 30 minutes of gameplay and new or unused dialogue/scenes, I'd be willing to pay.

[Zanath]

Why should anyone be expected to pay more for getting what was advertised to begin with ?
Are you stupid, OP ? Or are you doing EA's job, by trying to rationale and excuse milking beyond any ethical limit ?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

We shouldn't expect something for nothing...


Something for $70 on the other hand...

[Kanon777]

Skelter192 wrote...

Like I said already


Hard Reset a shooter that plays like an old school Duke Nukem game almost is getting an expansion and if you bought the game already you get it for free.

Witcher 2 is being patched which is dubbed "Enhanced Edition" it has 4-6 hours of new content, quests, characters, voice actors and environments. All previous dlc and preorder bonuses are free (this was before the new patch) and the previous patch added a tutorial, difficulty mode and an Arena similar to Mass Effect's Pinnacle Station except much better.

OdanUrr wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...

Yes I know there will be backlash that's why I made the thread to try and convince people that we should accept it now, so it isn't as distasteful later.

Plus, what makes you think they will release an Ending DLC at all? I'm still waiting for someone to re-write Act III of DA2.

 

This is why people think so.

 
 

The obvious diference with TW2 is that they are making money from the Xbox release, ITS NO REALY FREE BECAUSE XBOX BUYERS ARE PAYING FOR IT

Unless there is a new popular console for ME3 to come out at the same time as the dlc the situation is VERY diferent.

And the truth was corfirmed a rumor by Bioware

[DaJe]

So it is unrealistic to expect a proper ending without paying extra now?

That is exatly what they want. Constantly lower your expectations of what you can expect for your money and making you pay for things that should be there to begin with.

"Shut up and take my money"-fans are the biggest blight of this industry not the greedy CEOs.

Weeks ago I was suggesting alternate endings as DLC as a JOKE, because that would be the ultimate rip-off. Now this has almost become reality. Expecations have decreased again just like with the prothean DLC.

Modifié par DaJe, 19 mars 2012 - 10:11 .

[Kanon777]

DaJe wrote...

So it is unrealistic to expect a proper ending without paying extra now?

That is exatly what they want. Constantly lower your expectations of what you can expect for your money and making you pay for things that should be there to be gin with.

"Shut up and take my money"-fans are the biggest blight of this industry not the greedy CEOs.

Weeks ago I was suggesting alternate endings as DLC as a JOKE, because that would be the ultimate rip-off. Now this has almost become reality. Expecations have decreased again just like with the prothean DLC.

Your concept of proper is subjective, this game wasnt broken like Kotor2 and Obsidian never did anything about it because Lucas(f)Art didn want to waste money to fix the horrible ending of Kotor2 . This is how bussiness work.

[dragonflight288]

I've been in a business for a few years now (carpet cleaning) I know full well, having seen enough corporate bureaucracy to last me a life-time, that there is no such thing as something for nothing.

Not even in politics.

[Naughty Bear]

I suggest Bioware make this ending dlc free, then once trust is rebuilt, create a **** load of multiplayer map packs each containing 3 maps and if they are kind enough, new armour colours.

There is bound to be some muppet who buys these map packs. Just look at CoD.

After that, create single player dlc and over price it.

You win your fans and you earn $$$.

[mad825]

I thnk it's unrealistic to expect something for nothing

Endings cost money

Tell me something I don't know?

This is not about keeping a game alive to make more money or help the developer/publisher keeping afloat. It's about maintaining a good reputation whereas DA2 and ME3 (the ending) are considered failures from bioware.

Now, it wouldn't to be fair to demand this but if they did "give it for free" then this might redeem some of those avoiding the products in the future.

A short term investment (DLC) for a potential long term profit (a new game) are the things that these marketing guys and CEOs sometimes think about.

Note that I'm not saying Bioware should get rich off their mistake, but they should AT LEAST be able to cover their costs. 

...Erm, okay.

Bioware is no longer an independent company, the money doesn't directly come out  of their pocket but out of EA's as EA funds the continuation of Bioware's existence. Whatever "profit" is made from games developed by Bioware goes to EA or the majority of the money does.

Modifié par mad825, 19 mars 2012 - 10:31 .

[Lensman86]

Geez some people cant be helped. PAY for an ending dlc fix????? Making dlcs with side missions, weapons and companions is another thing but making dlcs with major parts of the game just crosses the line. I paid for a full game and i demand a game with an end that i was promised without having to pay extra ffs. Its not about money only, its about respect. If the game is not ready dont publish it. If you publish an incomplete game and expect your customers to pay extra to fix the holes you are just a greedy cold hearted disrespectful piece of ...................

[SmellyMetal]

You realize Bioware is - in fact - EA, right?

You sound like you're talking about an indie game studio with no money whatsoever.

Modifié par SmellyMetal, 19 mars 2012 - 10:33 .

[JonathonPR]

Geico spent several hundred million dollars on advertisement in 2010. They will not see any profit off of any new customers for one to two years. All the commercials you see have two reasons for existing. The first is to refresh their presence in current customers and the second is to draw new customers that they will make a profit from in a few years.

If I bought a car and there is a fatal malfunction I would expect the company to fix it free of charge. If had not bought the car and found out about the flaw I would not think about buying it until the companie's engineers had fixed it.

I decided not to buy ME3 before it before December for other reasons but enjoy the series and believe it deserves better. I had contemplated buying it used in a few years when it hit $10 but with ending it has I wont even borrow it.

That is why it should be expected that they do it for free. Current and future customers.

[Reaperbeta]

it is simply arrogant to presume that any dlc will be free beyond updates.
if the endings get updated they will cost money wheter you like it or not. tho ofc piracy is always an option if you are willing to go that far but that's a bit scumbagish to be honest,

[Rorschachinstein]

360 sales are 1.5 million. Do it for the Xbox guys at least.