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[Lensman86]

Reaperbeta wrote...

it is simply arrogant to presume that any dlc will be free beyond updates.
if the endings get updated they will cost money wheter you like it or not. tho ofc piracy is always an option if you are willing to go that far but that's a bit scumbagish to be honest,

 Ofc piracy is scumbagish but whatever garbage they sell us for gold is good intended... shut up and take our money its not like you have to work for them we are just a bunch of indoctrinated fan boys after all:sick:

[Nevaeh15]

They said 16 endings... so far we got 1.(plus or minus tint change) Had I known there was only 1 ending I wouldn't have wasted my money... So... they can give me the other 15 endings.... then I'll start paying for endings after that.

[Deepo78]

 I think most of us are willing to pay for it. It might help the medicine go down if they priced it a bit lower than their normal content. However in the unlikely event if they took the angel route in my opinion and went big, like expansion big with the ending I'd be willing to pay full price.

[Galbrant]

DarthTrey wrote...

MikoDoll wrote...

Assuming this is true do you think however that $10 is a bit much though? That's like 1/6th of the overall game's price and I doubt it has 1/6th of the content. I mean would they seriously have not made enough profit off of it to pay their developers by now to clear up their false advertising? To be honest I guess I could pay for a DLC, I just don't agree with another 10 dollar DLC. No more than half that price Imo..

Did you buy Kasumi? That was also $10. 

It was 7 dollars for me. For Kasumi that is. 

[wymm666]

It's called compromise - I know, I know.  We shouldn't have to compromise cause we're right.  I agree, we are right.  If I didn't think that then I wouldn't be working so hard to get new endings.  BUT we have to be willing to give ground and make some concessions.  And I'd rather those concessions come from my wallet than from the new endings.  And frankly it shows that we can be mature customers, rather than the angry children so many label us.

Note that I'm not saying Bioware should get rich off their mistake, but they should AT LEAST be able to cover their costs.  

Depending on the work invovled the price of this DLC could range from 2-3 dollars (in case of very minor changes, mostly cutting out you know who) to 10 + dollars for the full range Dragon Age Origins, every choice matters, plus epilogue and cutscenes altered by war assets (like Destiny Ascention) ending.

I'd pay for that.

Thoughts?

I'm torn really. On the one hand, if it really is less than 10 dollars then it's acceptable, DLC costs money, I get it. Except on the other hand, I've already paid EA 90 dollars (not including shipping and handling<_<) for the game. Yes it's a "collector's edition" and no it wasn't worth the money. My heart sunk the moment I opened the shipping box it, the only really "collectable" part of that package was the metal casing. But that's my personal opinion.

Agreeing to pay for whatever DLC ending they managed to throw at us before they even start admiting their current ending suck will effectively end the entire discussion -- in their favour. In case a majority of people starts agreeing to pay, Bioware/EA will know that they've out lasted the worst of it. "And DLC endings? What DLC? People liked the endings. blah blah blah" and there goes the effort.

The fact that PR people and not Devs are the ones dominating the discussion on the side of Bioware/EA right now means that it's no longer a matter of finance -- it's now a matter of principle and endurance. Bioware/EA's strategy right now is to outlast the heat and NOT fix the problem. The moment we go "alright, let's just pay for the damn thing and get it over with it" they'll just turn away as if nothing had happened.

So to OP, if being "mature" means people will start throwing away their money and principles... I'd rather be "immature" and HOLD THE LINE.

Modifié par wymm666, 19 mars 2012 - 10:58 .

[Salis777]

At the end of the day it's business. People are unhappy and Bioware will lose sales from this. If they deem it worth it to counter that with DLC, free or paid, then they will. People are telling them their feelings about the situation and they're listening. Sounds like healthy consumerism to me.

Calling people arrogant or whiney or entitled is naieve, and adds nothing to the conversation. Your opinion is irrelevant to Bioware, the hundreds of thousands of people that are expressing their opinions on the matter in a constructive way are not.

[Alexraptor1]

Oh please... EA is a giant that generators a crapload of revenue every year.
They can afford and should fund a proper ending DLC out of their own pockets, not for our sake really, but for their own.

When the CEO of EA talks to shareholders about having spent over $5000 on microtransactions in games... I kind of cannot feel any kind of sympathy.

[Veregan]

The truth behind it is, if it wasn't free but it did improve the ending, people would b*tch about it being a paid DLC for a while, but will end up buying it anyway. If they do go through with it, I'll watch it on youtube first and if it does indeed improve anything, then i'll buy it. I honestly don't see it being free at all, they need voice actors and what not to try and do a decent job, which costs money.

[Mashleylol]

I would buy an ending changing DLC if it came with lots of proper new content as well, like that one FO3 DLC.

[Alexraptor1]

xI DoMo Ix wrote...

The truth behind it is, if it wasn't free but it did improve the ending, people would b*tch about it being a paid DLC for a while, but will end up buying it anyway. If they do go through with it, I'll watch it on youtube first and if it does indeed improve anything, then i'll buy it. I honestly don't see it being free at all, they need voice actors and what not to try and do a decent job, which costs money.

Money which they can easily spare.

EA reported $3.8 billion in revenues for the fiscal year ending March 2011

[Veregan]

Alexraptor1 wrote...

xI DoMo Ix wrote...

The truth behind it is, if it wasn't free but it did improve the ending, people would b*tch about it being a paid DLC for a while, but will end up buying it anyway. If they do go through with it, I'll watch it on youtube first and if it does indeed improve anything, then i'll buy it. I honestly don't see it being free at all, they need voice actors and what not to try and do a decent job, which costs money.

Money which they can easily spare.

EA reported $3.8 billion in revenues for the fiscal year ending March 2011

Of course they have the money to spare, but we all know what EA are like. If investing their money into something doesn't return further profit they simply aren't interested. Don't get me wrong I would love the DLC to be free, I just don't see it happening. 

[Alexraptor1]

The only reason it won't happen is if EA end up being stupid and short sighted about it.
The ending fiasco has greatly hurt the Bioware brand and tranished EA further.
If they want the Bioware brand to remain highly profitable in the long term they will do this.
A major and free ending rewrite/DLC would probally be one of the best things they could ever do for good PR and improving their reputation, and in turn profits.

[Veregan]

Alexraptor1 wrote...

The only reason it won't happen is if EA end up being stupid and short sighted about it.
The ending fiasco has greatly hurt the Bioware brand and tranished EA further.
If they want the Bioware brand to remain highly profitable in the long term they will do this.
A major and free ending rewrite/DLC would probally be one of the best things they could ever do for good PR and improving their reputation, and in turn profits.

We can only hope EA manage to see the bigger picture for once.

[Godzillla]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

I already gave them eighty dollars. Not my fault they accidently left the more satisfying ending out of the game.

ill pay 

this isnt about money 

..for me at least ..this is about mass effect ..which so far always cost money because devs have to make it 

[MDT1]

It's not expecting something for nothing. Its a matter which number the businesspeople at EA /Bioware estimate to be higher:

-The profit of ME3,ME3 DLC and further Bioware products if they just leave the ending as it is.
-The profit of ME3,ME3 DLC and further Bioware products if they releas a free ending DLC first.
-The profit of ME3,ME3 DLC and further Bioware products if they releas a priced ending DLC first (depending on the price).

It all boils down to this, not to philosophical discussions about the value of art or whatever people came up with elswere.

Modifié par MDT1, 19 mars 2012 - 11:39 .

[thehomeworld]

If they're going to give us 1 - 2 new or 2 additional endings that are various then it should be free.

If for some reason they craft up 16 appropriate - stellar ones in one DLC pack with additional content that adds up to 2 - 4 hours of new content (why a game would have this many endings is beyond me) then I would pay money for that many endings that could be obtained throughout the game depending on what I do or don't do over my playthrough of it.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 19 mars 2012 - 11:41 .

[terdferguson123]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

It needs to be free. No matter their intentions, Bioware know that charging for an ending will set the internet on fire. Many will assume this was their plan all along.

In the end, it is an absolutely terrible move from a business perspective. A free ending will renew fan loyalty, enhance public perception and open up their following DLC to a much large market. I is the best thing to do.

I REALLY hope you are not going into or are a business major of any kind. That's not the way the world works, EA is a corporation, a corporation's sole existence is to provide value to their stockholders. Do you have any idea what it looks like to investors when a corporation makes a move like this?

[Salis777]

I seem to recall Toyota doing it! I mean if you make something that doesnt meet standards to such a degree it destroys the company's underlying reputation it's imperative you fix it. But the gaming industry seems to think it's ok to release utter drivel (not saying ME3 is, just some examples of games are) and also seem to get away with it. The question is what does a company with a stellar reputation like Bioware do? I guess we'll see.

[JironGhrad]

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm with the OP.

Bioware didn't set out to troll its fans. No doubt when the writers created the ending they thought they were writing something that would be liked by most of the fanbase. They just happened to fall far short of their goal. It happens.

Except that actually, they were right. Only a vocal minority is upset about the ending and demanding a change. It wasn't the ending I'd have written, but then when is it ever in a video game?

[OdanUrr]

Guys, I know it's difficult but if you pay for an "Ending DLC," you're just encouraging other developers to pull the same stunt over and over again. And soon, that old joke about paying $10 to watch the ending will become a sad reality.

[Salis777]

I disagree, the difference here is we dont expect it from Bioware. If some other company did this everyone would just chime in with the usual 'Oh look they release a pile of junk again.' Who cares if other companies tried to do that, people wouldn't buy it.

I think it's obvious to say Bioware didn't intend this, and to honestly step up and say we'll fix it for $10 is a fair deal, business wise. Morally it might be a little sketchy, but it's a compromise.

Its a unique situation, 119 hours, 50 mins of genius and 10 mins of junk. Not hard to fix 10 mins for your reputation.

[Gatt9]

DarthTrey wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

The alternative is that EA collapses.  Charging for the ending would shred all remaining good will,  the Bioware brand would become completely worthless,  though I doubt it's worth much at this point anyways,  the EA brand isn't worth much.  People already associate it with sub-par quality and cash-grabs.  

The backlash would be fantastic.  The NFL is already only giving EA 1 year extensions,  they'll likely pull the license if they can,  or refuse to renew it if they can't.  FIFA will also pull out.

Without the NFL,  EA will be forced to support itself on it's internally developed projects.  Which appear to be underperforming en-masse (Dead Space 2,  DA2,  Bulletstorm,  Shadows of the Damned,  Syndicate,  Kingdowms of somethingorother).  EA won't make it a year.  Especially since they claimed they sold 10 million units of BF3,  2 million of TOR,  and residual NFL/FIFA sales in the last quarter and still posted a 275 million dollar loss.

They have two options at this point.  Do the right thing and handle the ME3 problems fairly be delivering what they promised in their advertisments,  or they start inventorying the hardware and IPs for the bankruptcy auction.  They will not survive this by money-grubbing.  They may not even survive this by doing the right thing,  apparently they've hit a tipping point and I'd venture the gaming journalists just received notice that they're in the same boat.

Hahahahahahaha you are so arrogant sounding! I don't think you understand how big of a business EA is. Guess what, ME3 sold 800,000 units it's first 24 hours! Do you honestly think this is going to hurt them in any way?? Bioware will be just fine too. When Dragon Age II launched, BSN screamed and hollered and said "Bioware is going to fail." Look at SWToR, it had one million subscribers in its first month, ME3 is selling like crazy, and even though everyone is ****ing all of ME3 DLC will sell incredibly well. People like you, who sit on the forums screaming for EA and Bioware's heads make up a small portion of their consumers. If anything they're glad to see people like you go so they don't have to listen to you anymore.

I would strongly recommend you learn how to read quarterly reports.  You'd also do well to read NPD reports.

Alternatively, you can feel foolish when you find out I'm right.

You may also want to notice that 1 million subscribers for TOR is a failure considering it's price,  lucas art's cut, and the price they paid for Bioware.

Math really is your friend.

Modifié par Gatt9, 20 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[scott1118]

The ending gave people nothing. People paid for nothing. So you are right it IS unrealistic to pay for nothing so a more refined ending should be given for free in DLC