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[SidNitzerglobin]

Oldbones2 wrote...

Guys. I know the endings suck. I know that the promises were repeatedly broken. That's why we hold the line.

But we have to get past that.

It's realistic to expect a company to abide its promises, it is not realistic to expect people to work for free.

I don't want to pay for a new ending(s). I wish to God the better endings were on the disk. But it's time to suck it up and accept that not everything is going to go our way.

We deserve what they promised us. But they deserve to be paid for their work.

We need to be prepared to meet them halfway like adults, not stand there and always demand more like brats.

I believe we already did our part in making sure that the devs got paid for what they promised us when we paid for our copy/copies.

Let EA take care of paying them to fix what in all likelihood EA caused to be broken in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, as I stated previously I have no problem paying for a significant DLC that added a good deal more gameplay.   A free rewrite of the existing ending that addresses the plot holes, circular logic, and lack of clarity using almost entirely pre-existing art resources that ties into any more extensive post-RGB choice paid DLC seems like the most equitable solution for all from my point of view.

Modifié par SidNitzerglobin, 20 mars 2012 - 02:53 .

[Oldbones2]

Yes, EA can spare the money. My point isn't about that. My point is that EA will be much more likely to favor a new ending DLC if they can sell it for enough money to cover costs.

Bioware thought the endings they gave us were (roughly) what they promised. They certainly wouldn't be so stupid as to release a bad ending and try to force us to pay for a good one, it would be stupid and bad business.

And I for one think that just having Bioware admit they made a mistake and creating a new ending is throwing us a serious bone. Demanding that we get it for free is to much to ask.

To: wymm666

To me being mature means that while we HOLD THE LINE for what is right (a new ending that matches what we were promised) we also try to see things from Bioware's perspective and be prepared to give a little ground.

[fobali]

 Quite honestly the ending was only the tip of an iceberg. It was bad, but the whole game was kind of shallow and balless if you compare it with ME2. People got angry at the ending because they went on hoping that the good part would yet come and justify the whole experience. It just didn't.

[wymm666]

Oldbones2 wrote...

To: wymm666

To me being mature means that while we HOLD THE LINE for what is right (a new ending that matches what we were promised) we also try to see things from Bioware's perspective and be prepared to give a little ground.

Oh I can definately see it from their perspective, but being able to do so is completely meaningless, given the fact that they have no incentive to se it from ours unless money is involved.

[astheoceansblue]

BIoware: You won't get ABC.
ME3: ABC.

I would pay, simply because I want what was promised. I shouldn't have tot pay, though...

I've bought every DLC, invest hundreds of hours, and talked up Bioware to dozens of my friends. Ending DLC that delivers what they said they'd give is owed at this point, imo.

I'm not being entitled or spoiled by saying this, I'm simply standing up to a company who outright lied about what they were selling.

[Karulo]

Torn over this.
If the changes/additions are fairly substantial, such as rewrites, then I'm prepared to pay.
But if it only amounts to inserting a few lines and cutscenes of explainers to make everything more understandable, well, in my opinion they should have been there in the first place.

[JasmoVT]

It is clear all the people asking to have all their key decisions taken into account in the endings have no idea what they are talking about. The number of possible endings is the factorial of the number of key decisions so if there was one key decision per game there would be 6 possible endings (1*2*3). A low estimate of a total of twelve key decisions in the three games would give us over 479 million possible endings and in fact most folks would probably come up with more than twelve. It is simply not feasiable to design such a thing within the price range of computer games. It is utter nonsensical to expect it.

[Tirigon]

Oldbones2 wrote...

Depending on the work invovled the price of this DLC could range from 2-3 dollars (in case of very minor changes, mostly cutting out you know who) to 10 + dollars for the full range Dragon Age Origins, every choice matters, plus epilogue and cutscenes altered by war assets (like Destiny Ascention) ending.

I'd pay for that.

Thoughts?

No. By buying the game you already paid for the ending. What you suggest is like saying "Hey I bought The Lord of The Rings, I should pay again to be allowed to watch the last 20 minutes too!"

[Tirigon]

JasmoVT wrote...

It is clear all the people asking to have all their key decisions taken into account in the endings have no idea what they are talking about. The number of possible endings is the factorial of the number of key decisions so if there was one key decision per game there would be 6 possible endings (1*2*3). A low estimate of a total of twelve key decisions in the three games would give us over 479 million possible endings and in fact most folks would probably come up with more than twelve. It is simply not feasiable to design such a thing within the price range of computer games. It is utter nonsensical to expect it.

However, not all decisions influence the ending. Most dont, at least not without making the entire business ridiculous. Take the entire sidequest stuff, Conrad Verner etc.... That doesnt matter sh!t in the end. The only choices that matter are: 
- Your LI (and even that only in a happy end where Shepard survives and lives with him / her)
- Rachni
- Collector base (Possibly, but even that is relatively little in effect)
- Fate of the Krogan (Genophage, who is leader)
- Quarian / Geth situation
And obviously your final choice.

[JasmoVT]

Tirigon wrote...

JasmoVT wrote...

It is clear all the people asking to have all their key decisions taken into account in the endings have no idea what they are talking about. The number of possible endings is the factorial of the number of key decisions so if there was one key decision per game there would be 6 possible endings (1*2*3). A low estimate of a total of twelve key decisions in the three games would give us over 479 million possible endings and in fact most folks would probably come up with more than twelve. It is simply not feasiable to design such a thing within the price range of computer games. It is utter nonsensical to expect it.

However, not all decisions influence the ending. Most dont, at least not without making the entire business ridiculous. Take the entire sidequest stuff, Conrad Verner etc.... That doesnt matter sh!t in the end. The only choices that matter are: 
- Your LI (and even that only in a happy end where Shepard survives and lives with him / her)
- Rachni
- Collector base (Possibly, but even that is relatively little in effect)
- Fate of the Krogan (Genophage, who is leader)
- Quarian / Geth situation
And obviously your final choice.

Which is six factorial so 720 possible ending. Possible in an epilogue but not as actual ending choices.

[Heliosas]

Expecting something for nothing is unrealistic? Oh so how is it CD Project manages to do so much free content? Next month they release the Enhanced Edition for The Witcher 2 - free to anyone who already owns the game. They reward their customers, thus securing future sales. Us expecting something similar from Bioware is not being unrealistic.

[Tirigon]

JasmoVT wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
However, not all decisions influence the ending. Most dont, at least not without making the entire business ridiculous. Take the entire sidequest stuff, Conrad Verner etc.... That doesnt matter sh!t in the end. The only choices that matter are: 
- Your LI (and even that only in a happy end where Shepard survives and lives with him / her)
- Rachni
- Collector base (Possibly, but even that is relatively little in effect)
- Fate of the Krogan (Genophage, who is leader)
- Quarian / Geth situation
And obviously your final choice.

Which is six factorial so 720 possible ending. Possible in an epilogue but not as actual ending choices.

But your maths are wrong. You can piece together the endings with only minor variations so basically it is only like 8 or so different ones, and some choices invalidate others (e. g. Destroy ending = no Geth even if you saved them before).

That being said, an epilogue wouldnt be bad.

[Steffin]

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm with the OP.

Bioware didn't set out to troll its fans. No doubt when the writers created the ending they thought they were writing something that would be liked by most of the fanbase. They just happened to fall far short of their goal. It happens.

If Bioware releases DLC that provides a more satisfying conclusion to the game, and they should, they have every right to charge for that content. Of course there are always going to be some fans who expect something for nothing.

Wow, you're gonna end up paying well over $100 for a "Standard" PC game.  

Personally, since I didn't buy the game, could care less, its more of amusement that brings me to these forums. But some of you guys paid wwwwaaaayyyyyy too much for this PC game. I think the expectation of paying again, like having to pay for the dlc tha twas ripped from the game, again, would rightfully so ****** of customers. 

EA is laughing at you all the way to the bank.

[wymm666]

JasmoVT wrote...

It is clear all the people asking to have all their key decisions taken into account in the endings have no idea what they are talking about. The number of possible endings is the factorial of the number of key decisions so if there was one key decision per game there would be 6 possible endings (1*2*3). A low estimate of a total of twelve key decisions in the three games would give us over 479 million possible endings and in fact most folks would probably come up with more than twelve. It is simply not feasiable to design such a thing within the price range of computer games. It is utter nonsensical to expect it.

Are you f---ing kidding me?:blink::blink:

If bioware explained everything, every decision, as in EVERY DECISION, there would have been a 2-3 seconds clip for every decision you've/I've made. For example, show those Elcor foot soldiers for 2-3 seconds. Which could result in a 5-10 min of extra footage at the end, and if that somehow amounts to 500 million bloody different endings:mellow:, it's really not a big deal.