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[Findog]

"Don't forget that many issues people had with DA2 was directly addressed with DLC like Legacy."

Please! No DLC could address the many failures of that POS of a game called DA2. In the future I suggest you never mention that game if you want to get your point across. Just thinking about it pisses me off.

[SamFlagg]

lanep25 wrote...

Bioware PR is just sitting back and laughing their asses off right now. "These people hang to every little word that Jessica Merizan says." This woman still works for the people who deceived, lied to you, and then screwed you over by their deception. Don't trust these people until we receive an official statement from either Bioware/EA. All they are doing is feeding and encouraging false hope.

Stay persistent, but don't fall for their tricks. Hold the line!

It's a staring contest.  If they have to pull out every page in the book and we don't blink it doesn't matter.

I for one think she's genuine.  That doesn't cause me to budge from my position on the endings.  I agree that we should not cling to false hope and go through hope rollercoasters, what we need now is firm resolve. 

But accusing Bioware of ill will every step of the way (even on the steps that there appears to be ill will on) will not help us.

The goal is to get better endings.  The goal is not to stick it to bioware.  (Any announcement that there is no future DLC may change that goal, but the current goal is to get better endings)

[Hendrik.III]

We have too little information to either dismiss or confirm this. I wouldn't be grasping at every straw you think you see. Just wait for BW's statement instead of trying find something to believe in that might well be false.

Be realistic, we don't know anything for certian until Bioware officially puts it out there.

[Kulthar Drax]

lanep25 wrote...

Bioware PR is just sitting back and laughing their asses off right now. "These people hang to every little word that Jessica Merizan says." This woman still works for the people who deceived, lied to you, and then screwed you over by their deception. Don't trust these people until we receive an official statement from either Bioware/EA. All they are doing is feeding and encouraging false hope.

Stay persistent, but don't fall for their tricks. Hold the line!

Whether the PR guys are doing that or not, I think many people are doing Jessica herself a gross disservice. Regardless of the whole "good cop/bad cop" routine which I'm quite familiar with, she has been nothing but unfailing polite and supportive in all her remarks. That isn't to say she isn't being given a general directive from superiors or having her comments vetted (which I personally feel are unlikely, at least on twitter. What, someone is checking over her shoulder constantly? I think not. Does she have to watch exactly what she says? Sure, there are still rules to follow).

But nevertheless, we should extend the courtesy and remain constructive, positive and polite. This does not mean we can't also remain firm in our disagreements regarding Bioware and Mass Effect 3's ending, however. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Modifié par Kulthar Drax, 19 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[AlexXIV]

So many of the problems of DA2 were addressed with DLCs like Legacy. Really? REALLY? And there I thought Jessica is one of us. Obviously indoctrinated.

[Linus108]

AlexXIV wrote...

So many of the problems of DA2 were addressed with DLCs like Legacy. Really? REALLY? And there I thought Jessica is one of us. Obviously indoctrinated.

Heh

But seriously, anyone else find this answer to be...kind of alarming. That they are so disconnected from their fans, they actually thought DLC fixed DA2 complaints.

[SamFlagg]

AlexXIV wrote...

So many of the problems of DA2 were addressed with DLCs like Legacy. Really? REALLY? And there I thought Jessica is one of us. Obviously indoctrinated.

Reading way too much into that.

95% of DA2s problems were completely structural that would've required the entire game to be rewritten.  A piece of DLC was never going to fix all of those problems.

The situation we're looking at is different.

[Linus108]

SamFlagg wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

So many of the problems of DA2 were addressed with DLCs like Legacy. Really? REALLY? And there I thought Jessica is one of us. Obviously indoctrinated.

Reading way too much into that.

95% of DA2s problems were completely structural that would've required the entire game to be rewritten.  A piece of DLC was never going to fix all of those problems.

The situation we're looking at is different.

That's fine. But the fact that she thinks that was a solution that dealt with the problems of DA2's ending is a bit strange. That is what she meant when she made the post. Not DLC to fix the other complaints about the Game's structure/design. 

[SamFlagg]

Linus108 wrote...

SamFlagg wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

So many of the problems of DA2 were addressed with DLCs like Legacy. Really? REALLY? And there I thought Jessica is one of us. Obviously indoctrinated.

Reading way too much into that.

95% of DA2s problems were completely structural that would've required the entire game to be rewritten.  A piece of DLC was never going to fix all of those problems.

The situation we're looking at is different.

That's fine. But the fact that she thinks that was a solution that dealt with the problems of DA2's ending is a bit strange. That is what she meant when she made the post. Not DLC to fix the other complaints about the Game's structure/design. 

I think I had moved on before I had a chance to play legacy......I actually think I bought it, just never got around too it.  (things to do, things needing done etc)  But I believe the sentiment in which it was given is Hold the line.

I know a lot of people think that everyone is playing us in one big PR hullabaloo.  Frankly they could just be playing us into "We'll get you the DLC, please don't burn down everything else we have after you get it"  and that's not a bad thing.

If anything every move from Bioware has for the most part galvanized, and they seem to misstep often enough to reenergize us while at least giving us the thought that maybe just maybe theres something we can do about it.

Honestly if they were already commited to doing nothing it would be in their best interest to cut bait as long as possible and allow that fire to burn down what its going to burn down.

[lanep25]

SamFlagg wrote...

lanep25 wrote...

Bioware PR is just sitting back and laughing their asses off right now. "These people hang to every little word that Jessica Merizan says." This woman still works for the people who deceived, lied to you, and then screwed you over by their deception. Don't trust these people until we receive an official statement from either Bioware/EA. All they are doing is feeding and encouraging false hope.

Stay persistent, but don't fall for their tricks. Hold the line!

It's a staring contest.  If they have to pull out every page in the book and we don't blink it doesn't matter.

I for one think she's genuine.  That doesn't cause me to budge from my position on the endings.  I agree that we should not cling to false hope and go through hope rollercoasters, what we need now is firm resolve. 

But accusing Bioware of ill will every step of the way (even on the steps that there appears to be ill will on) will not help us.

The goal is to get better endings.  The goal is not to stick it to bioware.  (Any announcement that there is no future DLC may change that goal, but the current goal is to get better endings)

I wouldn't call it "ill will". I would call it "distrust". I for one don't trust them due to the recent actions leading to the release of ME3. Too many lies. Too much deception. I'll be happy once they start giving strait answers, instead of double talk. I have no intention to "stick it" to Bioware, but I have the right to protest a subpar product, and I have the right to distrust them due to their lies. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

I do hope that there is resolution to this Bioware fisco, and that we receive reperations to our subpar product.

Keep your eyes open, stay alert. Hold the line.

[Funker Shepard]

While I prefer to talk with nice people, it's not the community team who makes the calls one way or the other. I'm just hoping that greed will win and the beancounters will see the potential for money to be made by taking another stab at the ending (and the risk for money to be lost by publishing impactless pre-ending dlc before such a change is undertaken).

[Kajan451]

Kulthar Drax wrote...

Seriously guys, you need to chill out. Despite everything you might believe about Jessica, she's in a tough position and still being supportive. She's probably feeling enough heat from further up without us adding to it and besides, there's no point in shooting the messenger.

Thats what messengers try to make you believe.... but you'll actually feel better after you do it.

[SamFlagg]

lanep25 wrote...

SamFlagg wrote...

lanep25 wrote...

Bioware PR is just sitting back and laughing their asses off right now. "These people hang to every little word that Jessica Merizan says." This woman still works for the people who deceived, lied to you, and then screwed you over by their deception. Don't trust these people until we receive an official statement from either Bioware/EA. All they are doing is feeding and encouraging false hope.

Stay persistent, but don't fall for their tricks. Hold the line!

It's a staring contest.  If they have to pull out every page in the book and we don't blink it doesn't matter.

I for one think she's genuine.  That doesn't cause me to budge from my position on the endings.  I agree that we should not cling to false hope and go through hope rollercoasters, what we need now is firm resolve. 

But accusing Bioware of ill will every step of the way (even on the steps that there appears to be ill will on) will not help us.

The goal is to get better endings.  The goal is not to stick it to bioware.  (Any announcement that there is no future DLC may change that goal, but the current goal is to get better endings)

I wouldn't call it "ill will". I would call it "distrust". I for one don't trust them due to the recent actions leading to the release of ME3. Too many lies. Too much deception. I'll be happy once they start giving strait answers, instead of double talk. I have no intention to "stick it" to Bioware, but I have the right to protest a subpar product, and I have the right to distrust them due to their lies. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

I do hope that there is resolution to this Bioware fisco, and that we receive reperations to our subpar product.

Keep your eyes open, stay alert. Hold the line.

Let me be clear.  You don't have to trust them one iota.  And I'm with all the protests of an incomplete product.  I'm just trying to help us all stay on message and steer us away from the "LIES LIES NOTHING BUT LIES LALALLALALA" threads that this could all devolve into very quickly.  (Not that we shouldn't have some of those, the developer pre release comments for one)

[JPN17]

Bioware has no plans to change the ending? This information really shouldn't be a shock to anyone, they just haven't said it because of the ensuing outrage it would (or in this case did) cause. Jessica's post was made to try and tame the fire, but Bioware slipped up here. They made their take on this clear. They say they're listening, but in reality nothing will happen if we don't keep pressing the issue. Of course keep it clean and keep it civil, as always, but don't let up. If we do Bioware will be more than content to let this issue fade away.

[lanep25]

SamFlagg wrote...

lanep25 wrote...

SamFlagg wrote...

lanep25 wrote...

Bioware PR is just sitting back and laughing their asses off right now. "These people hang to every little word that Jessica Merizan says." This woman still works for the people who deceived, lied to you, and then screwed you over by their deception. Don't trust these people until we receive an official statement from either Bioware/EA. All they are doing is feeding and encouraging false hope.

Stay persistent, but don't fall for their tricks. Hold the line!

It's a staring contest.  If they have to pull out every page in the book and we don't blink it doesn't matter.

I for one think she's genuine.  That doesn't cause me to budge from my position on the endings.  I agree that we should not cling to false hope and go through hope rollercoasters, what we need now is firm resolve. 

But accusing Bioware of ill will every step of the way (even on the steps that there appears to be ill will on) will not help us.

The goal is to get better endings.  The goal is not to stick it to bioware.  (Any announcement that there is no future DLC may change that goal, but the current goal is to get better endings)

I wouldn't call it "ill will". I would call it "distrust". I for one don't trust them due to the recent actions leading to the release of ME3. Too many lies. Too much deception. I'll be happy once they start giving strait answers, instead of double talk. I have no intention to "stick it" to Bioware, but I have the right to protest a subpar product, and I have the right to distrust them due to their lies. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

I do hope that there is resolution to this Bioware fisco, and that we receive reperations to our subpar product.

Keep your eyes open, stay alert. Hold the line.

Let me be clear.  You don't have to trust them one iota.  And I'm with all the protests of an incomplete product.  I'm just trying to help us all stay on message and steer us away from the "LIES LIES NOTHING BUT LIES LALALLALALA" threads that this could all devolve into very quickly.  (Not that we shouldn't have some of those, the developer pre release comments for one)

This thread is on the comments of Jessica Merizan, a Bioware PR agent. Yes, I support mediation and possible reconciliation. But I would be naive to hang on to their/her every word. History is not in their favor. Regardless, I hope they follow through for their fans.

[panamakira]

Greed1914 wrote...

Spanking Machine wrote...

What did the Facebook comment say?

Basically, it said that "at this time" they had no plans to change the ending.  But clearly that wasn't meant to be said.

Exactly and I want to trust Jessica but if that person was teling the truth? Ouch. The issue is whether that was meant to be said at this time or if they're delaying a response by "gathering data" from us.

[Rogue Unit]

AlexXIV wrote...

So many of the problems of DA2 were addressed with DLCs like Legacy. Really? REALLY? And there I thought Jessica is one of us. Obviously indoctrinated.

Well, the "enemies spawning out of thin air" issue was addressed, but I think thats about it.

[Lambda Diamond]

bump.

[Statulos]

Rogue Unit wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

So many of the problems of DA2 were addressed with DLCs like Legacy. Really? REALLY? And there I thought Jessica is one of us. Obviously indoctrinated.

Well, the "enemies spawning out of thin air" issue was addressed, but I think thats about it.

There is only so much you can do with a DLC. And fixing Dragon Age 2 would need a complete redesign of the game, from the ninja animations to the environmental recycling passing through the dull interface depiction or the lack of choice in the last segment of the game. And of course, not forgetting the limitation of choices in character development, from the very creation to the use of items. 

All those are not issues in ME3. I miss elements such as some mako/firewalker action and of course a better ending, but playing the game itself does not feel like a chore.

Modifié par Statulos, 19 mars 2012 - 08:04 .

[panamakira]

Findog wrote...

"Don't forget that many issues people had with DA2 was directly addressed with DLC like Legacy."

Please! No DLC could address the many failures of that POS of a game called DA2. In the future I suggest you never mention that game if you want to get your point across. Just thinking about it pisses me off.

Well maybe YOU didn't like DA2 or the DLC but that doesn't mean that counts for all of us. So at least to me it's a good sign because BW did address a lot of issues with DA2 in Legacy when people made lots of complains. The facts she mentions it gives me hope that BW will at least consider an ending DLC.

SamFlagg wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

So many of the problems of DA2 were addressed with DLCs like Legacy. Really? REALLY? And there I thought Jessica is one of us. Obviously indoctrinated.

Reading way too much into that.

95% of DA2s problems were completely structural that would've required the entire game to be rewritten.  A piece of DLC was never going to fix all of those problems.

The situation we're looking at is different.

Yeah pretty much this. DA2 had other issues with its core gameplay mechanics, etc. Even though I liked DA2, the two games in discussion can't be compared.

Modifié par panamakira, 19 mars 2012 - 08:13 .

[DarthSliver]

Statulos wrote...

Rogue Unit wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

So many of the problems of DA2 were addressed with DLCs like Legacy. Really? REALLY? And there I thought Jessica is one of us. Obviously indoctrinated.

Well, the "enemies spawning out of thin air" issue was addressed, but I think thats about it.

There is only so much you can do with a DLC. And fixing Dragon Age 2 would need a complete redesign of the game, from the ninja animations to the environmental recycling passing through the dull interface depiction or the lack of choice in the last segment of the game. And of course, not forgetting the limitation of choices in character development, from the very creation to the use of items. 

All those are not issues in ME3. I miss elements such as some mako/firewalker action and of course a better ending, but playing the game itself does not feel like a chore.

Dragon Age 2 DLC didnt fix the content just show that if the Dragon Age team tried they could make good levels for the game. The reused areas is my main concern with DA2 because on my first playthrough I was like screw this crap lets just finish the main story by ACT 3 and i finished the main story. Felt like a chore than even with finishing the game for the first time, its the story that drove me to finish DA2 in the first place. 

Now Mass Effect 3 the only problem i have with it is the part when the Godkid shows up, even liked that scene between Shepard and Anderson as they were about to watch the Reapers go boom as the two of them bled to death in that one place on the Citadel. 

[Total Biscuit]

Rogue Unit wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

So many of the problems of DA2 were addressed with DLCs like Legacy. Really? REALLY? And there I thought Jessica is one of us. Obviously indoctrinated.

Well, the "enemies spawning out of thin air" issue was addressed, but I think thats about it.

The DA2 DLC did as much as it could considering how many flaws were running though the entire game, which was really just not repeating those mistakes.

Legacy and Mark of the Assassin are both an improvement on the main game, and make the overall DA2 experience better by their inclusion. However, it's still a case of polishing a turd, and I say that as someone who didn't hate DA2, but recognise why it's a vastly inferior overall product to DAO.

ME3 does not have anywhere near the number or depth of flaws as DA2 however. Bioware can actually release a single bit of DLC and solve every problem at once, which was impossible for DA2.

They've even got multiple options for how to solve it, and an easy way to completely rewrite and absolve the incredibly broken ending with the use of Indoctrination theory.

All they need to decide is how much effort they want to put in, and whether they're willing to solve the problem completely or just slap a band aid on the wound and give us the same ending without the plot holes.

[Kalms]

So, an "individual" within BioWare was finally being truthful and straight-forward with us - and you then violently cast them down? Good move.

This is just getting better and better.

[Evil_medved]

Kalms wrote...

So, an "individual" within BioWare was finally being truthful and straight-forward with us - and you then violently cast them down? Good move.

This is just getting better and better.

^ This. ^