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[Adugan]

WHAT WAS THE POST THAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT? How come nobody wants to answer? I KNOW someone read it and knows what it is.

[TheMerchantMan]

cinderburster wrote...

TheMerchantMan wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Jessica Merizan seems absolutely sincere about her concerns for fans. Maybe she's just extremely good at her job, but I always feel reassured by her support. Let's all calm down about this.

Thank you.

Let's retain some sanity here. We're acting like sharks with blood in the water. But Bioware isn't an enemy, we can't look at this relationship as adversarial, but one of mutual respect. Yes, they need to be afraid of what the consumers think, but they also need to be able to respect us.

And when we all look like a bunch of rabid jackels tearing apart their every statement, we lose their respect.

It's clear by this response, that they are extending a true olive branch, and we're too busy sharpening our knives to notice.

This.  Also please note that Jessica said "stay the course, guys".  That's good advice.  Stay the course.  Remain calm, collected, civil, and steady.

I like the use of that term.

"Stay the Course"

The synomonous phrase "Hold the Line" comes to mind. Perhaps a subtle nod of approval, if not outright support. She obviously couldn't have said Hold the Line now could she, but I'll take Stay the Course. Continue being civil, helpful and suggestive.

[MissMaster_2]

What is going on in here!?

[Wattoes]

Adugan wrote...

WHAT WAS THE POST THAT SHE IS TALKING ABOUT? How come nobody wants to answer? I KNOW someone read it and knows what it is.

The "MassEffect" channels that are basically zombies typing out pre-written responses said "we have no intention of changing the ending".

As you can imagine everyone went crazy, and rightfully so.

[Linus108]

You guys have to realize though...

Even if the company has no intention of making changes, and don't really care about you...they have to give the illusion they do. We are still valuable assets to them. We are still a chunk of their base (and really, their most loyal part of the base since we post on their forums and buy all their stuff). So of course they are going to tell you to "continue the course". To keep doing what we are doing. Even if they don't like it, they have to tell you they like it.

I'm not doubting Jessica's sincerity. By all accounts she seems to be a genuine person, who really cares. She is, a massive fan herself. But we need to look at the bigger picture here. It goes beyond just the BioWare's devs, and it's a company issue.

Modifié par Linus108, 19 mars 2012 - 05:46 .

[mupp3tz]

SamFlagg wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

It's very suspicious that the guy would even post that in the first place -- something must have given him the idea that this was the path Bioware had decided to  take. Whether or not the cards have changed, I get the impression that this was their stance at some point.

And our movement had a guy run off to the FTC.  People make mistakes and even at the PR level there are miscoordinations and miscommunications.

We should take this as a blessing.  Still a front united.  We can still all be civil and reasonable with the same passion that guides us to hold the line as it is.

I know.  I'm just saying that the guy wouldn't post that unless he had reason to actually believe that it was true.  Never once have I been uncivil or unreasonable, and I don't plan on doing it in the future.  I just get frustrated that I sometimes feel like we're being toyed with and not taken seriously.  Anyway, I'll hold the line.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 19 mars 2012 - 05:48 .

[SamFlagg]

jb1983 wrote...

SamFlagg wrote...

Gyspy Jive wrote...

Please use the existing thread on the topic. Thank you.

End of line.

This was posted by Stanley Woo in the "Thank you Jessica Merizan" topic. Is he trying to imply that BioWare is trying to be rid of the "Hold the Line" movement? Why else would it be there? 

Just merging two hot threads with similar content.  End of the line is just indicating he's locking the thread so the discussion would continue in this one.

Except that my thread came first. 

Oh well. I think they're doing everything they can to minimize the damage, making it look like the movement isn't as big as it is.

This thread had more replys.  And yes there is an aspect of damage control, but there are also aspects of focus.  1 thread with 200 pages is more likely to be productive than 100 1 page threads.  The fact that there is any type of damage control response indicates the existance of damage.

And as I've said before, there is going to have to be some constructive dialogue on the issue, and the only way we're going to get that is to be largely unified as reasonable.

[Yakko77]

jellobell wrote...

For reference, this was the original twitter comment before it was deleted.

Wow!  That was a collosal middle finger to fans if I ever saw one.

I mean, heck, I'm only moderately upset with the Destroy "Good" ending which IMO was the least bad end but still... too many unanswered questions and plot holes but at least I killed the stinkin' Reapers but that answer on Twitter was just.... ouch!

[Su13perfitz]

TheMerchantMan wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Jessica Merizan seems absolutely sincere about her concerns for fans. Maybe she's just extremely good at her job, but I always feel reassured by her support. Let's all calm down about this.

Thank you.

Let's retain some sanity here. We're acting like sharks with blood in the water. But Bioware isn't an enemy, we can't look at this relationship as adversarial, but one of mutual respect. Yes, they need to be afraid of what the consumers think, but they also need to be able to respect us.

And when we all look like a bunch of rabid jackels tearing apart their every statement, we lose their respect.

It's clear by this response, that they are extending a true olive branch, and we're too busy sharpening our knives to notice.

I have to disagree with this. Words are merely glorified breathing unless they are backed up by action of some kind. Also I don't care if they empathize with me I care if they fix my defective product.

[Mcfly616]

Just damage control on Jessica's part.....they aren't fully prepared for another s*** storm just yet.....she's trying to help the levy's hold....but just keep making this thread grow, and there will be forum-wide outrage....maybe even internet-wide

[SamFlagg]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

SamFlagg wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

It's very suspicious that the guy would even post that in the first place -- something must have given him the idea that this was the path Bioware had decided to  take. Whether or not the cards have changed, I get the impression that this was their stance at some point.

And our movement had a guy run off to the FTC.  People make mistakes and even at the PR level there are miscoordinations and miscommunications.

We should take this as a blessing.  Still a front united.  We can still all be civil and reasonable with the same passion that guides us to hold the line as it is.

I know.  I'm just saying that the guy wouldn't post that unless he had reason to actually believe that it was true.  Never once have I not been civil or reasonable, and I don't plan on doing it in the future.  I just get frustrated that I sometimes feel like we're being toyed with and not taken seriously.  Anyway, I'll hold the line.

*chuckle* I've been working in government for about 5 and a half years.  You'd be amazed what people believe is true without any kind of factual basis.  And trust me I know we're all frustrated, that's part of the problem, and why it is all the more important that we don't let that frustration consume us, but instead let it drive us.

[Aweus]

Guys keep it civil, please. Do you want to be perceived as a group of reasonable fans heartbroken by a bad ending of their favorite game or as an angry mob with pitchforks? We are here to win a fight, not get pepper sprayed by crowd control. Hold the line!

[Linus108]

SamFlagg wrote...

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

It's very suspicious that the guy would even post that in the first place -- something must have given him the idea that this was the path Bioware had decided to  take. Whether or not the cards have changed, I get the impression that this was their stance at some point.

And our movement had a guy run off to the FTC.  People make mistakes and even at the PR level there are miscoordinations and miscommunications.

We should take this as a blessing.  Still a front united.  We can still all be civil and reasonable with the same passion that guides us to hold the line as it is.

Except it wasn't a mistake that the guy went to the FTC.

The guy was within his rights to complain about BioWare's business habits if he feels they were being deceptive or lying. Not everyone might agree with him, or would have went the route he went. But to act like the guy was terrible for doing so is nonsense.

He was just doing what he felt was right for him, an individual consumer. People only make a big deal about what he did, because Mainstream outlets made a big deal about it. But truth is, they are going to slander us regardless of what we do. The fact we are even posting on a forum while protesting, is viewed as terrible by them. 

Modifié par Linus108, 19 mars 2012 - 05:51 .

[jellobell]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Guys this was a misinformed individual who is helping us on our social
media channels during our launch period. Nothing has changed I'm terms
of the feedback we're gathering. If we had made a decision regarding
this matter, we would have relayed it in a formal announcement.

I'm
so proud of everyone who has been participating in surveys, polls,
threads that politely address concerns and the overall positive nature
of our community. Don't forget that many issues people had with DA2 was
directly addressed with DLC like Legacy. This is a serious matter and I
promise that our leadership is hearing your feedback.

Stay the course guys. This was a mistake within our internal communications, not a leak or announcement.

Note this line: "Don't forget that many issues people had with DA2 was
directly addressed with DLC like Legacy."

Remember the rampant re-use of assets, jarring timeline, and the end being the same, a teaser for a more interesting story, no matter what you did? Apparently they fixed that by releasing DLC with no ties to the story or core gameplay. They released add-on DLC that ignored the story of the main game and did nothing to fix the problems outside of the DLC.

Yeah, I'm kind of worried about the reference to Legacy as well, which really didn't do anything to fix the problems with DA2. And DA2's problems are miniscule compared to ME3's ending. 

[chood1994]

Keep holding the line people! It sounds like they will do something about changing the ending eventually. They pretty much have to without losing alot.

On another note, this whole situation about the misinformation reminds me of this for some reason: http://i41.tinypic.com/35bv6aa.jpg

[EsterCloat]

Personally this still seems like more of the same but at least its keeping people interested. In this day and age of wanting answers now, now, and now I was somewhat concerned that the movement may start losing members but if this keeps up we stand a good chance of staying very strong until PAX, if not beyond.

Hold the line.

[J717]

So BioWare expects us to believe that "someone" misspoke on BOTH the TWITTER and FACEBOOK Mass Effect channels?!

I think it's pretty clear that whoever made the "slip up" on two different occasions/outlets confirmed what's actually happening, and Jessica Merizan is now trying to do even MORE damage control.

This is a low-down, dirty shame if they really don't have any plans AT ALL to change the ending right now.

We need to Hold.The.Line. now more than ever....

[SamFlagg]

Su13perfitz wrote...

TheMerchantMan wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Jessica Merizan seems absolutely sincere about her concerns for fans. Maybe she's just extremely good at her job, but I always feel reassured by her support. Let's all calm down about this.

Thank you.

Let's retain some sanity here. We're acting like sharks with blood in the water. But Bioware isn't an enemy, we can't look at this relationship as adversarial, but one of mutual respect. Yes, they need to be afraid of what the consumers think, but they also need to be able to respect us.

And when we all look like a bunch of rabid jackels tearing apart their every statement, we lose their respect.

It's clear by this response, that they are extending a true olive branch, and we're too busy sharpening our knives to notice.

I have to disagree with this. Words are merely glorified breathing unless they are backed up by action of some kind. Also I don't care if they empathize with me I care if they fix my defective product.

Disagreement is fine.  But it has to be recognized that we can accept olive branches and lose none of our resolve.  Up to this point they have asked us for one thing and that is post our suggestions up top which we have been doing.

All of that will have to be looked at and figured out and cost estimated.  All of it.  They are not asking us to put our concerns aside, if anything all their PR tactics and missteps up to this point have only served to keep our drum beat constant as opposed to dying out.

But we're going to have to make damn sure that at the end of the day we look like the good guys.

[mupp3tz]

Well, at least now we have a renewed sense of vigor for the case!

[kramerfan86]

Honestly I dont think she is directly lying, but I honestly dont think that at the moment they have any real plans to act on the feedback. Now if they release some DLC and it tanks and the multiplayer proves unpopular they might be forced to act, but for now all of this IMO is a stall tactic to try an out last the outrage. Its a war of attrition.

[SuperTeal]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Thanks for clearing that up Jessica, and your point about the DA2 DLC is well-taken.

Legacy didn't fix one of the most major concerns of DA2 - the ending.  Any DLC released that takes place before ME3's ending will also not fix the worst problem about ME3 - the ending.

That said - Jessica is a public relations employee - everything she says needs to be viewed from that perspective.  I'm not saying she's lying or that she's wrong - I'm saying that she's being paid to keep the dialogue from escelating to a point where fans begin revolting from Bioware and trading in their copies of ME1/2/3.

Bioware and EA lose money when someone trades in - because that's one less order fulfilled by a supplier (Like Gamestop.)  They're in crisis mode trying to prevent that from happening right now.  The reason is simple:  In the first three months after a games launch companies like GameStop offer more than 50% of original value for the game in store credit.  A lot of disgruntled players would be happy to trade in ME3 for 35 dollars right now.

So Jessica, thanks... but I know you're just doing your job.

[Legendaryred]

LoL, everyone putting the pitchforks back in the closet i guess?

[Aweus]

kramerfan86 wrote...

Honestly I dont think she is directly lying, but I honestly dont think that at the moment they have any real plans to act on the feedback. Now if they release some DLC and it tanks and the multiplayer proves unpopular they might be forced to act, but for now all of this IMO is a stall tactic to try an out last the outrage. Its a war of attrition.

War of attrition often works. But at least in my case it will not this time. Mass Effect series means too much for me to just let it go. Hold the line guys!

[jellobell]

Jessica seems to get ticked off whenever anyone brings up theories about PR people in the tweets. I wonder if she knows about atghunter's thread?

[Linus108]

Su13perfitz wrote...

TheMerchantMan wrote...

Tietj wrote...

Jessica Merizan seems absolutely sincere about her concerns for fans. Maybe she's just extremely good at her job, but I always feel reassured by her support. Let's all calm down about this.

Thank you.

Let's retain some sanity here. We're acting like sharks with blood in the water. But Bioware isn't an enemy, we can't look at this relationship as adversarial, but one of mutual respect. Yes, they need to be afraid of what the consumers think, but they also need to be able to respect us.

And when we all look like a bunch of rabid jackels tearing apart their every statement, we lose their respect.

It's clear by this response, that they are extending a true olive branch, and we're too busy sharpening our knives to notice.

I have to disagree with this. Words are merely glorified breathing unless they are backed up by action of some kind. Also I don't care if they empathize with me I care if they fix my defective product.

Yep.  I posted this in the other thread that was locked by Jessica...

The issue is this:  

People need to stop treating BioWare as this great company that respects us. I know it's hard, because many of us have been fans of the company for a long time. We've loved and admired their work.  But at the end of the day, we are a consumer, and they are a business. This isn't about us not being happy with the ending. It's about us being promised a certain product, and not getting it when we purchased it - despite the fact that they advertised it as such. Stop treating this like they might kindly change it if we are nice enough, because their fan base didn't like the ending and they like to listen to us. And start focusing on us getting what was promised to us.  

Journalists want to throw around "entitled". You know what? Damn right we are entitled to the product they advertised. The gaming industry for too long has had consumers that just roll over. That are willing to put up with developers making promises and lying. Why do they keep getting away with these bad business practices? Because most gamers don't do anything about it. They just accept that the game isn't the product that was promised, and move on. Stop paying these people your money. Stop supporting them when they wrong you.  

Stand up for yourself.   

They only exist because WE GIVE THEM our money. If you want them to change, stop giving them money when they screw you over. 

Modifié par Linus108, 19 mars 2012 - 05:56 .