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[RedShft]

If holding the line means getting pissed, angry and generally treating Bioware like ****, then I would like nothing to do with it. The turn of these forums from something somewhat decent last week to what it is now is horrifying. Every other thread is bashing Bioware this or that reason, which is really getting out of hand.

[NikitaDarkstar]

I'm holding the line because a big company that had my, and many others trust broke it by lying to our faces.

I'm holding the line because I feel that after so long and with so much investment we deserve better.

I'm holding the line because someone, somewhere needs to wake up and realize that in the long run they will suffer more than us by leaving things as is. We can move on and find other games to play, but they will have a long, hard struggle to get people to trust them again.

[Yttrian]

There comes a time when you must stand up for what you believe.

I have done it as a friend for those in need.
I have done it as a brother to those closest to me.
I have done it as a student and started to achieved my dream.

I now do it as a customer, because when 5 minutes can so utterly ruin not only the game it sits in, but the entire franchise in favour of plothole ridden fanfiction at the 55th minute of the eleventh hour that goes against the entire SciFi canon and shows the marketing to be blatant lies...

When it could have been done so much better, so much easier.

Hold the line.

Modifié par Yttrian, 19 mars 2012 - 06:53 .

[Bowie Hawkins]

I'm holding the line because I want to see the game get an ending that doesn't cheapen the sacrifices Shepard had to make to get there.

Modifié par Bowie Hawkins, 19 mars 2012 - 06:53 .

[Silent Rage]

I want to do more playthroughs but the ending makes it pointless.

[Greed1914]

I'm here because I know they can do better.  The first two games and 99% of the third prove that. 

[magikbbg]

To me, this became more than just the ending. To me its a noble cause to bring some accountability and transparency to the gaming industry. Without getting long winded I just think there should be some kind of quality/standard guidelines - not on how to make an ending, but not making false claims then going down the "its art" route to avoid any backlash. I mean this game was almost a $100 dollars for me after taxes and shipping. I've never spent a $100 bucks on a book - and when books ended bad it'd just be meh, or a movie maybe I spent $20 bucks on it. - sorry I think I'm holding line for principal and in the end it may be quixotic - however this ends, I'm a lot more skeptical about video game products now.

Modifié par magikbbg, 19 mars 2012 - 06:55 .

[ket_shee]

Actually, I'd like it if you guys got your ending. I can live with what I was served, although I'd be majorly disappointed. But to have this many people SO dissatisfied with the quality BioWare thought they could pass off to us, I'd rather Hold the Line, even if I'm done with the game as is.

[tenojitsu]

The trilogy was amazing, and has a chance to be remembered as one of the best fantasy trilogies (of any medium) of all time. It only requires an ending that A, is coherent and provides the proper resolution that these characters deserve, and B, is as advertised in that choices from the series are relevant to the ending

Modifié par tenojitsu, 19 mars 2012 - 06:57 .

[Ranicus56]

Captain Shakespeare wrote...

A satisfying conclusion to a beloved trilogy.

Yup

[sadako]

ANY happy ending would do it for me. I'll gladly ignore major plotholes id i can become the hero that saved the organics.

[AlphaDormante]

RedShft wrote...

If holding the line means getting pissed, angry and generally treating Bioware like ****, then I would like nothing to do with it. The turn of these forums from something somewhat decent last week to what it is now is horrifying. Every other thread is bashing Bioware this or that reason, which is really getting out of hand.

That's one of the big reasons I made this topic. A lot of us were incredibly hurt by the endings...and I figured it would help us to look back and ask ourselves why that's the case. I definitely don't condone abuse towards BW/its staff, but at the same time, I know the rage probably stems from the same feeling as the rest of us have: grief.

You don't grieve some random video game. I thought it'd be nice to remember that this isn't a faceless entity that we're fighting for: it's our universes. It's something real and worth protecting.

That's why I'm Holding the Line.

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 19 mars 2012 - 07:00 .

[Chuvvy]

With the recent "typo" on facebook and twitter, I'm guessing bioware's made up their minds and hasn't told us. As for why I'm still doing it, I want to make sure bioware goes down with ME. And if enough people know about how they treat their fans, less people will be inclined to buy their games.

[Scitenik]

I do it because I like the Mass Effect games that much, and would like to not have to lose faith in a developer I have nothing but respect for.

[Jadebaby]

goose2989 wrote...

Because Mass Effect is worth it. This isn't the newest Call of Duty or Battlefield. This is a series that means more than just killing your friends online, or talking trash with some kid in Alabama. We've spent five years building relationships with Garrus, Tali, Liara, Wrex.... and I'll be damned if it ends like this.


That is why I'm holding the line. And that is why so many of us care

THIS! It is a universe all of it's own. We are fighting for that universe! Just like Shepard did.

Fighting not just for a conclusion that makes sense, but also for a happy one. One where I can find piece with my L.I... My precious Liara and my handsome Kaidan.

Until that day comes, I will....

HOLD THE LINE!

[Simpfan]

For me, I just want to see Bioware show respect to its fans.
Even if they dont make new endings, at least tell the fans why you chose the endings you did and address the plotholes.

[Jadebaby]

AlphaDormante wrote...

RedShft wrote...

If holding the line means getting pissed, angry and generally treating Bioware like ****, then I would like nothing to do with it. The turn of these forums from something somewhat decent last week to what it is now is horrifying. Every other thread is bashing Bioware this or that reason, which is really getting out of hand.

That's one of the big reasons I made this topic. A lot of us were incredibly hurt by the endings...and I figured it would help us to look back and ask ourselves why that's the case. I definitely don't condone abuse towards BW/its staff, but at the same time, I know the rage probably stems from the same feeling as the rest of us have: grief.

You don't grieve some random video game. I thought it'd be nice to remember that this isn't a faceless entity that we're fighting for: it's our universes. It's something real and worth protecting.

That's why I'm Holding the Line.

Very well said!

[svnhf]

I know BioWare can do so much better than this and I want the thing that made the game series great, put back into the game; choices matter. That is what grated the most about the current endings. Not so much the content or how you get there but it is that everything is for nothing. I am fighting to put back the essence of Mass Effect into the series.

To me, the Mass Effect trilogy is a great big Thanksgiving dinner table. The first and second game makes up all the food on there; mashed potato, gravy, everything. And then comes the turkey, Mass Effect 3. The look is there, the smell, the skin, everything looks right about it and then when people are just about to lavishly devour this delicious piece of animal, all the joy falls from the meal - the stuffing is missing. And then the turkey collapses in on itself and explodes in a giant mess of food and the evening is ruined.

Modifié par svnhf, 19 mars 2012 - 07:10 .

[Jadebaby]

Silent Rage wrote...

I want to do more playthroughs but the ending makes it pointless.

and this.

[Tequila Man]

Because, I love this series and Bioware. I want them to be the best they can be.

This line, here? I hold it for the Devs, because I know they want us to back them up all the way when they start writing new Ending DLC scenes that won't come out for another 6-7 months.

This line, here? I hold it for the fans who (though, I am not one of them) are, because of life circumstances, deeply tied to their gaming universe. They deserve better.

This line, here? I hold it for me, because I was promised. And they broke that promise.

[Nykara]

In the begining Bioware created a small group of very well written - deep characters that instantly stole my heart. They created a game that was a TRUE RPG where I got to make the important decisions with Shepard. In short I got to shape my Shepard in to who I wanted her to be. That's a real RPG and some fantastic writting. What was even better was the fact that it was an entirely new science fiction universe - one that when I went in to it I knew nothing about.

Over time i learned more and more about this universe, I came to care about what happened to it and the characters in it. In Mass Effect 2 more characters where added along with some of our favorites. Again so well written that some of them stole my heart from the first meeting with them - others simply had me wanting to learn more about them.

Hours of game play, choices made, decisions that mattered. Some that even determined who lived or died - some of the hardest choices I have ever had to make in a game yet. Bit by bit the universe was shaping around the decisions I made with MY Shepard. She was growing as were those around her. 

The wait between Mass Effect 1 and 2 was hard, the wait between Mass Effect 2 and 3 was even harder. By then I was completely invested in these characters and couldn't wait to see what would happen next! The day the game came out on the shelves here I was bouncing up and down - I couldn't wait to get there to pick up my copy of the ONLY game in years I have been looking so forward to playing.

I got it home, sat down and the rest of my journey began. The characters - all growing up, all changing  (mostly for the better ), all even more indepth and full of life for me. Shepard got to spend some R n R time with each of them, just getting to know them all some more and calling each one a friend. More warm fuzzy feelings towards each of those characters followed.

Nothing in the game world has even come close to the way bioware has written these RPG's.

And then the ending came.
The rest you all know because I don't doubt you have all felt the same things I have on and off since then. Dissapointment, incompletion, depression and a number of other things.
I am still holding out hope. Hope that this was all planned to make way for something totally EPIC.
I am hoping that my expectations for Mass Effect 3 were not so high that there's no way any ending could have reached them.

[jules_vern18]

Because I care about this franchise and value the narrative of the trilogy.  Mass Effect is literally the best sci-fi epic I have ever seen, and it's heartbreaking to a fan of good storytelling that the ending so negated all that had been previously accomplished.

Mass Effect has almost achieved something no game franchise has ever done: letting the player truly choose the story for her/himself.  It's dynamic, engaging, and dramatically gripping...up until the last moments, where a deus ex machina ending is introduced in complete opposition to the aforementioned narrative themes.

I care the same way I would if the last page of the Great Gatsby opened to an audio recording of fart noises.  Bioware has achieved something great, and it has the potential to go down in history as one of (if not the) best game series ever made.  This could easily be their new Shadows of Amn, except for an inexplicable ending that needs. to. be. fixed.  Or amended, or added to, or whatever. 

I have invested a lot of time into these characters.  And yes, emotion - just as if Han Solo or Legolas had died, I was sad to see Mordin and Legion go.  I'm here because I'm hoping that Bioware will honor that with an ending that befits all that they have set up so far.

[coolerdude]

For me to believe again

in both ME and in Bioware

[Foxtrotarmy]

I am holding for the belief that works of entertainment, of art, and of fiction can enlighten us, can broaden our horizons, remind us the world is beautiful and worth fighting for, that we're all heroes in our own way, and that what we believe can help take us to worlds that we didn't believe possible.

That sometimes fictional people can mean more to us and teach us more than real ones. "Because sometimes the truth isn't good enough. Sometimes people deserve more. Sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded." That while the encounters were artificial, the emotions were not, and I've grown as a person with every encounter, novel, film, game, or otherwise, and this deserves the kind of respect and love that I've come to give my favorite franchises.

I hold the line for something that justifies the emotions, the lessons, the growth I've felt, not as Commander Shephard, but as a fan of literature and story.

Modifié par Foxtrotarmy, 19 mars 2012 - 07:24 .

[bahamutomega]

i am fighting because i want to cry the same manly tears at the ending that i cried for Mordin's death and Legion's sacrifice.  i should feel the same (or greater) sadness and loss at losing a femShep i have played through all 3 games, but they should be tears of joy at knowing the sacrifice will allow my LI and all of the characters i have come to care about will live on!