Lugaidster wrote...
Yes I would, it would be bittersweet, but I prefer that to no/crappy DLC. With money I have leverage, without it I have to take what they give and be thankful.d
Tregon wrote...
Lugaidster wrote...
You're missing one key part, without quality theres no money. If they half ass a paid DLC they won't auto get their costs back. Whereas they can half ass a free DLC and call it a day. "Waving a wallet around", as you put it, is a way to take the money issue out of the discussion. I want a quality ending for ME3. If they put up a quality ending, I will after verified be willing to pay money.
By that logic, my 60 dollar game should have been FINE AS IT WAS! Because it was paid in full. It was NOT!
Thus, paid does not equal quality. Right now, they have lost all credibility to be permitted more money until they have regained that credibility. So free DLC is the way to do it.
Sometimes you just have to suffer for making mistakes. We suffer right now for having trusted Bioware too much, it is time for them to suffer to make it up.
they could make the ending correction freeJPR1964 wrote...
I prefer an ending paid dlc than nothing...
And therefore, they can add more contents to justify the price.
JPR out!
Tregon wrote...
Lugaidster wrote...
While you and I agree that the game wasn't fine as it was, there's no way to prove it wasn't, unless you have evidence that I don't have. Because of that, what we are actually doing here is bargaining to get a more fitting ending, this is not a case of incomplete product.
They betrayed their promises actually, produces explicitly stating that "there will be no A,B or C-options" and saying flat out that our choises have importance.
Furthermore, this is not court in traditional sense. I and you have absolute power of judge and executioner in form of our wallets as has been noted. Total boycott of Bioware for example may not salvage ME3 in the end, but should it end up totally bust and end up folded by EA due to lost sales will send strong message to whole gaming industry that they cannot treat us like crap.
Lugaidster wrote...
Tregon wrote...
Lugaidster wrote...
While you and I agree that the game wasn't fine as it was, there's no way to prove it wasn't, unless you have evidence that I don't have. Because of that, what we are actually doing here is bargaining to get a more fitting ending, this is not a case of incomplete product.
They betrayed their promises actually, produces explicitly stating that "there will be no A,B or C-options" and saying flat out that our choises have importance.
Furthermore, this is not court in traditional sense. I and you have absolute power of judge and executioner in form of our wallets as has been noted. Total boycott of Bioware for example may not salvage ME3 in the end, but should it end up totally bust and end up folded by EA due to lost sales will send strong message to whole gaming industry that they cannot treat us like crap.
Unless you actually get every customer to agree with you on that one, you're only making a personal stance. Given that there are people that actually like the ending and that those who don't want a fix, I'm taking the bargaining route. If you want to take another route, that's your choice, but don't force me to do so.
As I see it, this is similar to different political parties allying themselves to get what they want in certain situations. We can disagree on principles, but I think we can agree that we want a better ending. Otherwise we just dilute the message.
granyte wrote...
that was imaged gees you have to be kidding me right i'm talking about making sure EA never makes money anymore when i'm talking about burning houses ... i can't belive i actualy had to explain thatGothamLord wrote...
granyte wrote...
yes and what we need them to feel is that they are about to get thier houses burned to the ground because they pushed thier crapy idea to far any thing les then that and we will end up payin per bullet we shoot
First piracy and now arson.
Somehow I dont feel my idea of offering to pay for DLC is that bad compared to threats of felony worthy charges.
garf wrote...
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Any how.. MY point is that they haven't even admitted there is a problem yet.
And probably won't unless we can find a common ground. This is mine...
I suggest that we all want Closure, Sense, Future(relays), and Choice and that the ending gives us none of these.
I argue that our stance should be NO Money and No Silence until they pledge to fix these.
Who here can agree on that?
we already agree that we need better ending now we disagre on other detail no mather what paid dlc or not we need one even if for me it's more like a patch then a dlcLugaidster wrote...
Tregon wrote...
Lugaidster wrote...
While you and I agree that the game wasn't fine as it was, there's no way to prove it wasn't, unless you have evidence that I don't have. Because of that, what we are actually doing here is bargaining to get a more fitting ending, this is not a case of incomplete product.
They betrayed their promises actually, produces explicitly stating that "there will be no A,B or C-options" and saying flat out that our choises have importance.
Furthermore, this is not court in traditional sense. I and you have absolute power of judge and executioner in form of our wallets as has been noted. Total boycott of Bioware for example may not salvage ME3 in the end, but should it end up totally bust and end up folded by EA due to lost sales will send strong message to whole gaming industry that they cannot treat us like crap.
Unless you actually get every customer to agree with you on that one, you're only making a personal stance. Given that there are people that actually like the ending and that those who don't want a fix, I'm taking the bargaining route. If you want to take another route, that's your choice, but don't force me to do so.
As I see it, this is similar to different political parties allying themselves to get what they want in certain situations. We can disagree on principles, but I think we can agree that we want a better ending. Otherwise we just dilute the message.
wulf3n wrote...
Lugaidster wrote...
Yes I would, it would be bittersweet, but I prefer that to no/crappy DLC. With money I have leverage, without it I have to take what they give and be thankful.d
No we don't have to be thankful.
and that's what will make us powerful, not grovelling at ea's feet, begging for scraps.
granyte wrote...
the line is still held EA can count on it ill keep giving them bad press until they fix it now they should also know what unless they fix it for free ill keep making them bad press
piracy was merly an exemple about an alternative way to see what is contained i also edited the said post with youtube the ending insteadGothamLord wrote...
granyte wrote...
that was imaged gees you have to be kidding me right i'm talking about making sure EA never makes money anymore when i'm talking about burning houses ... i can't belive i actualy had to explain thatGothamLord wrote...
granyte wrote...
yes and what we need them to feel is that they are about to get thier houses burned to the ground because they pushed thier crapy idea to far any thing les then that and we will end up payin per bullet we shoot
First piracy and now arson.
Somehow I dont feel my idea of offering to pay for DLC is that bad compared to threats of felony worthy charges.
Sarcasm apparently fails to pass through your internet filter. I really have no reason to take you for real on that statment. However my point is that making ludicrous comments does far more harm than good. While your burning down houses bit might have been a joke I highly doubt your promotion of piracy one was.
granyte wrote...
that was imaged gees you have to be kidding me right i'm talking about making sure EA never makes money anymore when i'm talking about burning houses ... i can't belive i actualy had to explain thatGothamLord wrote...
granyte wrote...
yes and what we need them to feel is that they are about to get thier houses burned to the ground because they pushed thier crapy idea to far any thing les then that and we will end up payin per bullet we shoot
First piracy and now arson.
Somehow I dont feel my idea of offering to pay for DLC is that bad compared to threats of felony worthy charges.
Tregan wrote...
They betrayed their promises actually, produces explicitly stating that
"there will be no A,B or C-options" and saying flat out that our choises
have importance.
Furthermore, this is not court in traditional
sense. I and you have absolute power of judge and executioner in form of
our wallets as has been noted. Total boycott of Bioware for example may
not salvage ME3 in the end, but should it end up totally bust and end
up folded by EA due to lost sales will send strong message to whole
gaming industry that they cannot treat us like crap.
hate and violence when i'm talking about cutting funds really? i'm starting to grasp why EA can charge per bulletIrishRents wrote...
granyte wrote...
that was imaged gees you have to be kidding me right i'm talking about making sure EA never makes money anymore when i'm talking about burning houses ... i can't belive i actualy had to explain thatGothamLord wrote...
granyte wrote...
yes and what we need them to feel is that they are about to get thier houses burned to the ground because they pushed thier crapy idea to far any thing les then that and we will end up payin per bullet we shoot
First piracy and now arson.
Somehow I dont feel my idea of offering to pay for DLC is that bad compared to threats of felony worthy charges.
Either way, your message of hate and violence is not appropriate.Tregan wrote...
They betrayed their promises actually, produces explicitly stating that
"there will be no A,B or C-options" and saying flat out that our choises
have importance.
Furthermore, this is not court in traditional
sense. I and you have absolute power of judge and executioner in form of
our wallets as has been noted. Total boycott of Bioware for example may
not salvage ME3 in the end, but should it end up totally bust and end
up folded by EA due to lost sales will send strong message to whole
gaming industry that they cannot treat us like crap.
Anyone else baffled on exactly when marketing constituted a promise?
If you are not willing to pay for a fix, do not bother asking for one. I am willing to pay, so I will continue to hold the line.
Modifié par granyte, 19 mars 2012 - 11:40 .
Ampliment wrote...
Now what I got in my copy of Mass Effect 3 was well worth the $75 I paid for it plus the DLC. Now before I get attacked no I did not like the ending, I hated the ending as much as a lot of others did, but the experience up to that point was well worth my money that I paid for it. This can not be called an incomplete product just because you are not satisfied with how the developers completed it. To expect a free ending DLC would be unreasonable. If I were a worker at Bioware why would I work hard to improve the ending if there is nothing in it for me. And though some say that they'll never buy from EA/Bioware again the amount who will actually never purchase their products again if they don't make a free ending DLC is miniscule. I agree without a doubt that something needs to be done about the endings but expecting that to be done for free is just setting yourself up for dissappointment. If they decide to make an ending DLC at all, just be happy that we have gotten that.
Hold the Line, but be reasonable
garf wrote...
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Any how.. MY point is that they haven't even admitted there is a problem yet.
And probably won't unless we can find a common ground. This is mine...
I suggest that we all want Closure, Sense, Future(relays), and Choice and that the ending gives us none of these.
I argue that our stance should be NO Money and No Silence until they pledge to fix these.
Who here can agree on that?
. I give them freedom on how to solve the problem so that it makes sense. I just want them to come out and say they'll do something about it. ME3 ending was a monumental missed oportunity.
granyte wrote...
hate and violence when i'm talking about cutting funds really? i'm starting to grasp why EA can charge per bullet
garf wrote...
...
Any how.. MY point is that they haven't even admitted there is a problem yet.
And probably won't unless we can find a common ground. This is mine...
I suggest that we all want Closure, Sense, Future(relays), and Choice and that the ending gives us none of these.
I argue that our stance should be NO Money and No Silence until they pledge to fix these.
Who here can agree on that?
Lugaidster wrote...
Don't put words in my mouth please.
Lugaidster wrote...
You can have different opinion on this but don't dare call me a beggar. I'm not grovelling at anyones feet, I'm using what I believe is my weapon
Lugaidster wrote...
. You use what you believe is yours.
Lugaidster wrote...
I'm tired of the condescending tone all this responses to "giving money" have. Don't want to give money? Great for you, make sure to state it as you have been doing, but don't diminish others because they don't share your opinion.
Grumpy-Mcfart wrote...
granyte wrote...
The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.
but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.
given the resources that would go into fixing the ending. it is unreasonable to expect them to fix it and ask nothing in return
IrishRents wrote...
Anyone else baffled on exactly when marketing constituted a promise?
If you are not willing to pay for a fix, do not bother asking for one. I am willing to pay, so I will continue to hold the line.
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