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[wulf3n]

Lugaidster wrote...
Agreeing on paying money for an ending DLC is not groveling or begging. That's what made it a personal attack, even if it wasn't directed. You essentially called everyone willing to spend money for the DLC beggars.

I don't expect you to just sit when something you care about is at risk. I just don't agree that it is. Wanna fight for that, I suggest you start a different movement. Every time a demand is added to the movement, it is that less likely to gain ground. I'm not here to make a stance on the industry, I'm here to get a better ending on a product I otherwise loved. I believe we can agree on that and discuss further demands as we make progress, but by stating it as you are right now, however noble, you're just alienating a lot of people, people that could help the movement further it's cause.

I honestly believe that Bioware has no intention to please every single fan out there. They are probably looking for a solution that minimizes losses, that means fans and money. If they're willing to make a compromise, I'm willing to make one as well. You don't have to fly by that one, but don't force me by saying that I'm caving or grovelling or begging if I do.

To win this battle for mass effect buy paying for "ending" dlc we're effectively making the battle for the industry unwinnable.

[Lugaidster]

Hexoskin wrote...

All you dumbasses [...] that black guy to come bumfuk you in the shower again.

Get your heads out of your asses...

Whoa! That right there convinced me to agree with you...


NOT! If you can't even argue without insulting you're not worth the effort. That response made as much sense as those who call as entitled brats. 

[Tregon]

IrishRents wrote...

But again, no promise was made. Talking up a product is not illegal, sorry to burst your bubble. Further, your 'game endings' conspiracy you've cooked up is nearly as ridiculous as expecting BioWare to release a free ending change.

Producers stated explicitly that there will be no "A,B or C"-ending. There other material never stated that it no longer holds true. While they cannot be put to court over matter, it is dishonest marketing and for that they owe the community something.

[Quiron-br]

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.

QFT.

Offering money after what they did? Some guys doesn't have any pride. EA is laughing so loud reading this...

[TheRealMithril]

Tregon: I think the quote marker is in the wrong place. Anyone responding to your post would have to edit it as well.

[jkflipflopDAO]

Syrellaris wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.


EDIT just something i found browsing this forum it might give you more into why they need to do it for free www.youtube.com/watch

 You have no rights to demand things for free, sorry to bust your bubble. Looking around the internet should tell you the plausible theory thats the indoctrination. Even if you do not agree with it. It might be a well thought out plan and Bioware might have already thought of the controversy it brought forward and have little things planned out.

So to get this straight, you're perfectly OK with paying $60+ for a game, discovering there's no real ending to the story, then later paying out $10-$15 to buy the ending to the game?

Modifié par jkflipflopDAO, 19 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[Lugaidster]

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...
Agreeing on paying money for an ending DLC is not groveling or begging. That's what made it a personal attack, even if it wasn't directed. You essentially called everyone willing to spend money for the DLC beggars.

I don't expect you to just sit when something you care about is at risk. I just don't agree that it is. Wanna fight for that, I suggest you start a different movement. Every time a demand is added to the movement, it is that less likely to gain ground. I'm not here to make a stance on the industry, I'm here to get a better ending on a product I otherwise loved. I believe we can agree on that and discuss further demands as we make progress, but by stating it as you are right now, however noble, you're just alienating a lot of people, people that could help the movement further it's cause.

I honestly believe that Bioware has no intention to please every single fan out there. They are probably looking for a solution that minimizes losses, that means fans and money. If they're willing to make a compromise, I'm willing to make one as well. You don't have to fly by that one, but don't force me by saying that I'm caving or grovelling or begging if I do.

To win this battle for mass effect buy paying for "ending" dlc we're effectively making the battle for the industry unwinnable.

But then again, I'm not fighting for the industry. If you'd rather make your movement smaller because you want to "fight for the industry" I think you already lost anyway, AND you probably wouldn't get the DLC either. Worst outcome of all...

Modifié par Lugaidster, 19 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[granyte]

Syrellaris wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.


EDIT just something i found browsing this forum it might give you more into why they need to do it for free www.youtube.com/watch

 You have no rights to demand things for free, sorry to bust your bubble. Looking around the internet should tell you the plausible theory thats the indoctrination. Even if you do not agree with it. It might be a well thought out plan and Bioware might have already thought of the controversy it brought forward and have little things planned out.

if bioware was planning a head and that the end is indeed indoctrination and that i get what casey promised aka the complete and final end as a free dlc i will make free publicity for EA in the same maner i'm now making them bad publicity

i will as well apologize to EA and bioware and will resume buying thier other dlc and games

if they try to milk me more for the end of a game that was men to bring closure ....... war is comming

[Hexoskin]

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

All you dumbasses [...] that black guy to come bumfuk you in the shower again.

Get your heads out of your asses...

Whoa! That right there convinced me to agree with you...


NOT! If you can't even argue without insulting you're not worth the effort. That response made as much sense as those who call as entitled brats. 

And if you're willing to buy a fixed ending DLC you should be slapped. kthx.

[wulf3n]

Lugaidster wrote...
But then again, I'm not fighting for the industry. If you'd rather make your movement smaller because you want to "fight for the industry" I think you already lost anyway, AND you probably wouldn't get the DLC either. Worst outcome of all...

I'd rather lose right, than win wrong.

[zsom]

granyte wrote...

Extort wrote...

It won't be free FULL STOP

of course unless we fight for it

Wrong. They will sooner stop developing anything ME related, and channel their resources to a different project.

[Syrellaris]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.


EDIT just something i found browsing this forum it might give you more into why they need to do it for free www.youtube.com/watch

 You have no rights to demand things for free, sorry to bust your bubble. Looking around the internet should tell you the plausible theory thats the indoctrination. Even if you do not agree with it. It might be a well thought out plan and Bioware might have already thought of the controversy it brought forward and have little things planned out.

So to get this straight, you're perfectly OK with paying $60+ for a game, discovering there's no real ending to the story, then later paying out $10-$15 to buy the ending to the game?

There are other good games that dont have real endings, and guess what. They gained expansion packs that people payed for. It is no different then that.  DLC is simply the Digital form of a physical expansion pack, but it also allows them to release smaller content. So it is pretty much an improvement over the expansion pack.

[Tregon]

TheRealMithril wrote...

Tregon: I think the quote marker is in the wrong place. Anyone responding to your post would have to edit it as well.

Issue most likely is in editing the post instead of posting yet another straight away, habit coming from forums where doubleposting instead of merging is frowned upon. I think I removed the relevant lines now.

[jkflipflopDAO]

Syrellaris wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.


EDIT just something i found browsing this forum it might give you more into why they need to do it for free www.youtube.com/watch

 You have no rights to demand things for free, sorry to bust your bubble. Looking around the internet should tell you the plausible theory thats the indoctrination. Even if you do not agree with it. It might be a well thought out plan and Bioware might have already thought of the controversy it brought forward and have little things planned out.

So to get this straight, you're perfectly OK with paying $60+ for a game, discovering there's no real ending to the story, then later paying out $10-$15 to buy the ending to the game?

There are other good games that dont have real endings, and guess what. They gained expansion packs that people payed for. It is no different then that.  DLC is simply the Digital form of a physical expansion pack, but it also allows them to release smaller content. So it is pretty much an improvement over the expansion pack.

Wow, I'm in the wrong business. I doubt you even understood what just transpired there.

[Hexoskin]

Syrellaris wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.


EDIT just something i found browsing this forum it might give you more into why they need to do it for free www.youtube.com/watch

 You have no rights to demand things for free, sorry to bust your bubble. Looking around the internet should tell you the plausible theory thats the indoctrination. Even if you do not agree with it. It might be a well thought out plan and Bioware might have already thought of the controversy it brought forward and have little things planned out.

So to get this straight, you're perfectly OK with paying $60+ for a game, discovering there's no real ending to the story, then later paying out $10-$15 to buy the ending to the game?

There are other good games that dont have real endings, and guess what. They gained expansion packs that people payed for. It is no different then that.  DLC is simply the Digital form of a physical expansion pack, but it also allows them to release smaller content. So it is pretty much an improvement over the expansion pack.

200% less content. 400% overpriced.

Yea it's definatly an improvement for the developers, for us, not so much.

[TheRealMithril]

zsom wrote...

granyte wrote...

Extort wrote...

It won't be free FULL STOP

of course unless we fight for it

Wrong. They will sooner stop developing anything ME related, and channel their resources to a different project.

^^^^ It happened to C&C 4

[granyte]

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

All you dumbasses [...] that black guy to come bumfuk you in the shower again.

Get your heads out of your asses...

Whoa! That right there convinced me to agree with you...


NOT! If you can't even argue without insulting you're not worth the effort. That response made as much sense as those who call as entitled brats. 

sometime i'm wondering if some of the trouble makers are not hired by some pr to makes dicension seem bigger then it is

this thread is ment to discus the deeper implication of paying for a dlc and to keep rewarding EA for thier bad buisness practices if it can't be done peacfully GTFO

TheRealMithril wrote...

zsom wrote...

granyte wrote...

Extort wrote...

It won't be free FULL STOP

of course unless we fight for it

Wrong. They will sooner stop developing anything ME related, and channel their resources to a different project.

^^^^ It happened to C&C 4

ya they sucessfully killled the franchise by forcing so much crap up our but and i just heard they are about to try it again with C&C alliance .... i wonder how they can even try to redeem that universe after C&C 4 .....

Modifié par granyte, 19 mars 2012 - 12:08 .

[Cigarette Smoking Man]

I'd pay the full price of the game over again for better ending content.

Not even lying. Anything that gets it done.

[Tregon]

zsom wrote...

granyte wrote...

Extort wrote...

It won't be free FULL STOP

of course unless we fight for it

Wrong. They will sooner stop developing anything ME related, and channel their resources to a different project.

Too bad for them we do not have to buy that either.

[Lancane]

Those who don't want to pay haven't really thought this through, because there is a chance that if they made a DLC ending that was free, they'd have to budget it to where it wasn't a major loss. That means that the quality could sorely lack - think about it before people start getting upset. From their perspective they could do a DLC that gave maybe three more choices and an epilogue similar to Origins and that would be it and it would be more then enough to appease a good portion of the movement...the movement would be no more. Even those among us unhappy with that wouldn't be enough of a future threat to worry them any longer. If we offered to purchase a DLC ending they could consider truly extending or drawing it out and giving more answers.

[Syrellaris]

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Wow, I'm in the wrong business. I doubt you even understood what just transpired there.

No i understand perfectly. I just don't agree with your opinion on it. Simple as that.

[Lugaidster]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.


EDIT just something i found browsing this forum it might give you more into why they need to do it for free www.youtube.com/watch

 You have no rights to demand things for free, sorry to bust your bubble. Looking around the internet should tell you the plausible theory thats the indoctrination. Even if you do not agree with it. It might be a well thought out plan and Bioware might have already thought of the controversy it brought forward and have little things planned out.

So to get this straight, you're perfectly OK with paying $60+ for a game, discovering there's no real ending to the story, then later paying out $10-$15 to buy the ending to the game?

Nope, it's more aking to saying I'm "perfectly OK with paying $60+ for a game, discovering that I don't like the ending to the story, then later paying out $10-$15 to buy another ending to the game"

If you can prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the game doesn't really have a true ending then sure, demand for it to be free or for them to return your money. As far as I know, we can't establish that. Therefore, I'm willing to compromise in order to get what I want: A good quality ending that satisfies me. My future support for the company depends on how they handle things.

[SaladinDheonqar]

If they had not lied to us about it, I would be ok with paying. I would just take it like the Fallout 3 situation with Bethesda. However, feeding us bulls**t when you knew you weren't going to deliver anything close to what you promised, is different. If they do make an ending dlc and release it for free, it would right alot of the wrongs. If they charge us, Bioware will no longer be on my gaming radar. If they do nothing, well, they'll be dead to me forever.

[Syrellaris]

granyte wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

All you dumbasses [...] that black guy to come bumfuk you in the shower again.

Get your heads out of your asses...

Whoa! That right there convinced me to agree with you...


NOT! If you can't even argue without insulting you're not worth the effort. That response made as much sense as those who call as entitled brats. 

sometime i'm wondering if some of the trouble makers are not hired by some pr to makes dicension seem bigger then it is

this thread is ment to discus the deeper implication of paying for a dlc and to keep rewarding EA for thier bad buisness practices if it can't be done peacfully GTFO

That would also imply people to drop there    "demanding" tone to free DLC as if its your god forgiven right.

[Fredvdp]

I don't think this should be DLC but a patch. The ending was rushed and could use some more explaining, but I don't dislike the actual story ideas behind the destroy and control endings. Synergy seems a bit more fantasy than scifi in my opinion.

I want one line that explains why the Reapers don't use the Citadel to shut down the relay network as a defense against the Crucible.