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[granyte]

Lugaidster wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.


EDIT just something i found browsing this forum it might give you more into why they need to do it for free www.youtube.com/watch

 You have no rights to demand things for free, sorry to bust your bubble. Looking around the internet should tell you the plausible theory thats the indoctrination. Even if you do not agree with it. It might be a well thought out plan and Bioware might have already thought of the controversy it brought forward and have little things planned out.

So to get this straight, you're perfectly OK with paying $60+ for a game, discovering there's no real ending to the story, then later paying out $10-$15 to buy the ending to the game?

Nope, it's more aking to saying I'm "perfectly OK with paying $60+ for a game, discovering that I don't like the ending to the story, then later paying out $10-$15 to buy another ending to the game"

If you can prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the game doesn't really have a true ending then sure, demand for it to be free or for them to return your money. As far as I know, we can't establish that. Therefore, I'm willing to compromise in order to get what I want: A good quality ending that satisfies me. My future support for the company depends on how they handle things.

if it was just that i did not like the ending i would agree to pay for one that i might prefer

but blody helll the plot holes the plot holes these need to be fixed for free

[Ampliment]

Honestly I feel if I were a BIoware exec. looking at this I would be thinking of how I make money here while keeping my fans if I were looking at this topic I would say well there's clearly some here that will pay for our work and some that won't. SO now thinking to maximize my gains I say "Well for those who will pay we make an hour long expansion based off of IT (or w/e) and then for those who don't want to pay we put in a slideshow with pictures and text describing what happened for their closure. Then those who pay get their great ending while those who won't still get their fix. That's what will become of a devious corporation like this.

[Tregon]

Lancane wrote...

Those who don't want to pay haven't really thought this through, because there is a chance that if they made a DLC ending that was free, they'd have to budget it to where it wasn't a major loss. That means that the quality could sorely lack - think about it before people start getting upset. From their perspective they could do a DLC that gave maybe three more choices and an epilogue similar to Origins and that would be it and it would be more then enough to appease a good portion of the movement...the movement would be no more. Even those among us unhappy with that wouldn't be enough of a future threat to worry them any longer. If we offered to purchase a DLC ending they could consider truly extending or drawing it out and giving more answers.

And when they would release Dragon Age 3, it's ending would be made total crap on purpose and they would be smiling with palm extended while holding proper ending in other hand.

Of course, this would not in any way reduce price of DA3 box, but would be essentially forced extra purchase to have game worth anything.

Think before you are starting to make concessions before they have done any.

[Lugaidster]

Hexoskin wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

All you dumbasses [...] that black guy to come bumfuk you in the shower again.

Get your heads out of your asses...

Whoa! That right there convinced me to agree with you...


NOT! If you can't even argue without insulting you're not worth the effort. That response made as much sense as those who call as entitled brats. 

And if you're willing to buy a fixed ending DLC you should be slapped. kthx.

Psst... You're just giving the media further evidence of how childish some of us are (IE you). Keep insulting behind that keyboard of yours, it goes a long way on NOT helping us fulfill our goal. 

[Evercrow]

Lugaidster wrote...



I'm more of a "one thing at a time" guy. Spread yourself too thin and you won't acomplish anything, I've already studied several revolts in college to know that what makes one succesful isn't how hard your stance is but how good are your tactics, the best is usually to focus on one thing at a time. What I want is a better ending, fixing the industry can come later.

Well said. I'm much more worried about proper ending to Mass Effect story then about future of industry right now.For the latter,you can just remember current debacle to give yourself more solid argument next time you decide to make a stand.

[jkflipflopDAO]

Lugaidster wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.


EDIT just something i found browsing this forum it might give you more into why they need to do it for free www.youtube.com/watch

 You have no rights to demand things for free, sorry to bust your bubble. Looking around the internet should tell you the plausible theory thats the indoctrination. Even if you do not agree with it. It might be a well thought out plan and Bioware might have already thought of the controversy it brought forward and have little things planned out.

So to get this straight, you're perfectly OK with paying $60+ for a game, discovering there's no real ending to the story, then later paying out $10-$15 to buy the ending to the game?

Nope, it's more aking to saying I'm "perfectly OK with paying $60+ for a game, discovering that I don't like the ending to the story, then later paying out $10-$15 to buy another ending to the game"

If you can prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that the game doesn't really have a true ending then sure, demand for it to be free or for them to return your money. As far as I know, we can't establish that. Therefore, I'm willing to compromise in order to get what I want: A good quality ending that satisfies me. My future support for the company depends on how they handle things.

The gist was "if indoc theory is true". If it is, then you were dreaming the whole time. The reapers are still reaping, the fleet is still fighting, and someone still needs to get their ass up to the station and open the arms for the cruicible. Nothing has really happened. The story stopped when you got hit by Harby's laser.

[Aiyie]

rejoicelife wrote...

Everyone that is willing to pay 10$ or more for a new ending DLC should just write a letter to EA that says so.

Why the whole RetakeME3 movement if all you really want to do is throw money at EA? Just tell them there are thousands of desperate gamers out there who would love to pay for a new ending. EA will do the rest.

which is more likely to see results?

demanding, out of a sense of entitlement, that they put in more work to fix something they felt was good enough.  and then give it to us for free.

or...

demanding a new ending that we approve of, but be willing to give something back in return.  and yes, there is the need to do that because...

in spite of all the outrage... please remember, we are not the authors of this story... we're just along for the ride.  our money only bought us the right to experience their story, nothing more and nothing less.  its their intellectual property and they're the only ones entitled to do with it as they see fit.

as fans we have a vested interest in the story and how it turns out, but we don't have any rights as far as the direction the story takes.  to think or act any differently is entitlement at its worst.  the story does NOT belong to us, demanding they change something they own and control to suit our whims, free of charge, is the absolute worst form of entitlement.

about the advertising... buyer beware.  it sucks, i know, i fell for it too.  but in the end, i paid for the right to experience their intellectual property, for good or bad, right or wrong... and, unfortunately, nothing more or less than that.

Modifié par Aiyie, 19 mars 2012 - 12:16 .

[granyte]

Syrellaris wrote...

granyte wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

All you dumbasses [...] that black guy to come bumfuk you in the shower again.

Get your heads out of your asses...

Whoa! That right there convinced me to agree with you...


NOT! If you can't even argue without insulting you're not worth the effort. That response made as much sense as those who call as entitled brats. 

sometime i'm wondering if some of the trouble makers are not hired by some pr to makes dicension seem bigger then it is

this thread is ment to discus the deeper implication of paying for a dlc and to keep rewarding EA for thier bad buisness practices if it can't be done peacfully GTFO

That would also imply people to drop there    "demanding" tone to free DLC as if its your god forgiven right.

there is a diference between demanding it preacefully and that guy that was quoted who made my point seem like it was asked by an imature 14 years old who has trouble dealing with his own body

[Hexoskin]

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

All you dumbasses [...] that black guy to come bumfuk you in the shower again.

Get your heads out of your asses...

Whoa! That right there convinced me to agree with you...


NOT! If you can't even argue without insulting you're not worth the effort. That response made as much sense as those who call as entitled brats. 

And if you're willing to buy a fixed ending DLC you should be slapped. kthx.

Psst... You're just giving the media further evidence of how childish some of us are (IE you). Keep insulting behind that keyboard of yours, it goes a long way on NOT helping us fulfill our goal. 

I'm pretty sure you editing out my original post to only contain a few bad words is far worse than anything i ever wrote here myself, if you take a step back and actually look at what my original post contained, i'm sure it'd make alot more sense to you.

Modifié par Hexoskin, 19 mars 2012 - 12:14 .

[Lugaidster]

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...
But then again, I'm not fighting for the industry. If you'd rather make your movement smaller because you want to "fight for the industry" I think you already lost anyway, AND you probably wouldn't get the DLC either. Worst outcome of all...

I'd rather lose right, than win wrong.

Then we can agree to disagree, whatever good that brings *sigh*.

[zsom]

Tregon wrote...

zsom wrote...

granyte wrote...

Extort wrote...

It won't be free FULL STOP

of course unless we fight for it

Wrong. They will sooner stop developing anything ME related, and channel their resources to a different project.

Too bad for them we do not have to buy that either.

Wrong again. The new IP can be marketed to a different market segment, besides a new game wouldn't come out for a long time, and the rage will have died down by then.

[Vhalkyrie]

Do not agree. While I think this was a horrible mistake on their part, I don't expect them to invest time into it without paying for it.

[ObsidianAgent]

As far as I'm concerned, BioWare released an incomplete product for full price and I have no rational reason to support this behaviour. I'm not buying DLC to fix this mess and give BW and EA an easy out. They fix it for free or they lose custom. At this point I'm expecting 2 things before I spend a single penny on a BW or EA product

• From Ashes for free
• A fixed, proper ending

From Ashes should have been part of the retail game, and I don't care how they want to spin it or when they claim it was developed. It was ready to go on release date, it should have been in the game. And the ending... well to say it comes across as the cocaine-fuelled scribblings of a self-satisfied jackass is being charitable. Yo Dawg we heard you like Deus ex Machinas so we wrote in a Deus ex Machina to give you the ending from Deus ex Machina.

We're not asking BW and EA to do us a favour - we're telling them to finish the job we paid them for up-front. Move from that position and they'll just divide up the factions and conquer them seperately.

"We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately." - Benjamin Franklin

Modifié par ObsidianAgent, 19 mars 2012 - 12:16 .

[Syrellaris]

granyte wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

granyte wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

All you dumbasses [...] that black guy to come bumfuk you in the shower again.

Get your heads out of your asses...

Whoa! That right there convinced me to agree with you...


NOT! If you can't even argue without insulting you're not worth the effort. That response made as much sense as those who call as entitled brats. 

sometime i'm wondering if some of the trouble makers are not hired by some pr to makes dicension seem bigger then it is

this thread is ment to discus the deeper implication of paying for a dlc and to keep rewarding EA for thier bad buisness practices if it can't be done peacfully GTFO

That would also imply people to drop there    "demanding" tone to free DLC as if its your god forgiven right.

there is a diference between demanding it preacefully and that guy that was quoted who made my point seem like it was asked by an imature 14 years old who has trouble dealing with his own body

Have you read your own opening post? There is a quite demanding and simply insulting tone around it. I am not excusing what he said, as it was clearly an idiotic remark though.

[wulf3n]

Lugaidster wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...
But then again, I'm not fighting for the industry. If you'd rather make your movement smaller because you want to "fight for the industry" I think you already lost anyway, AND you probably wouldn't get the DLC either. Worst outcome of all...

I'd rather lose right, than win wrong.

Then we can agree to disagree, whatever good that brings *sigh*.

I weep for the future of games 

[granyte]

Lugaidster wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...
But then again, I'm not fighting for the industry. If you'd rather make your movement smaller because you want to "fight for the industry" I think you already lost anyway, AND you probably wouldn't get the DLC either. Worst outcome of all...

I'd rather lose right, than win wrong.

Then we can agree to disagree, whatever good that brings *sigh*.

sounds like oh it's alright to chose to have my cake right now at the price of half of every other meal i will eat for the rest of my life

[swn32]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Do not agree. While I think this was a horrible mistake on their part, I don't expect them to invest time into it without paying for it.

I agree, they should charge for patches too. Fixing glitches require hardwork. I dont expect them to do it free of charge.

I dunno what is wrong with CDPR. Releasing an enhanced version of their game with loads of bonus content free of charge. Are they crazy?

Modifié par swn32, 19 mars 2012 - 12:18 .

[Dav3VsTh3World]

Demanding DLC be free is just pathetic, developers spend months on making games for fans and DLC is no exception, If you ask them in their face to make free DLC, you're pretty much asking them to work countless months for free, to which they would kick you out of their office.

[HaesoME3]

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

All you dumbasses [...] that black guy to come bumfuk you in the shower again.

Get your heads out of your asses...

Whoa! That right there convinced me to agree with you...


NOT! If you can't even argue without insulting you're not worth the effort. That response made as much sense as those who call as entitled brats. 

And if you're willing to buy a fixed ending DLC you should be slapped. kthx.

Psst... You're just giving the media further evidence of how childish some of us are (IE you). Keep insulting behind that keyboard of yours, it goes a long way on NOT helping us fulfill our goal. 

To be fair the majority of your posting has been little more than devil's advocate and "polite" goading.

[ThePrestige10]

Honestly. Turn it around: If they don't fix this ending for free, they will lose customers for future DLC. That's just economics.

[Lugaidster]

Hexoskin wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

All you dumbasses [...] that black guy to come bumfuk you in the shower again.

Get your heads out of your asses...

Whoa! That right there convinced me to agree with you...


NOT! If you can't even argue without insulting you're not worth the effort. That response made as much sense as those who call as entitled brats. 

And if you're willing to buy a fixed ending DLC you should be slapped. kthx.

Psst... You're just giving the media further evidence of how childish some of us are (IE you). Keep insulting behind that keyboard of yours, it goes a long way on NOT helping us fulfill our goal. 

I'm pretty sure you editing out my original post to only contain a few bad words is far worse than anything i ever wrote here my, if you take a step back and actually look at what my original post contained, i'm sure it'd make alot more sense to you.

I got the message alright, but I don't stand by the insults. There are many ways to transmit a message, yours was pretty bad. I won't allow any **** to call me a ****** because I don't agree with him. Want to discuss the issue at hand, go ahead, but I won't indulge unless we can stand as equals in it. There's a reason mature people don't insult others when making a point. 

[granyte]

swn32 wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Do not agree. While I think this was a horrible mistake on their part, I don't expect them to invest time into it without paying for it.

I agree, they should charge for patches too. Fixing glitches require hardwork. I dont expect them to do it free of charge.

QFT

what my original post said is that the plot holes must be fixed now i can deal with most of the ending as it is even if it's crappy but a plot hole is comparable to a bug in the programing

[jkflipflopDAO]

Wow, I can't believe how most of you are conditioned to just lay down and take it in the pooper. THIS IS THEIR FAULT. Bioware is not the victim here. YOU are.

Expecting them to fix it for free isn't somehow "wrong". They are a giant multi-billion dollar company who just brought in $150M+ off this game.

[Evercrow]

Tregon wrote...

And when they would release Dragon Age 3, it's ending would be made total crap on purpose and they would be smiling with palm extended while holding proper ending in other hand.

Of course, this would not in any way reduce price of DA3 box, but would be essentially forced extra purchase to have game worth anything.

Think before you are starting to make concessions before they have done any.

While that may become true, the only thing we can really do is remind everyone before release of DA3 about current situation.Bad publicity must go hand to hand with bad decisions.

Modifié par Evercrow, 19 mars 2012 - 12:19 .

[Lugaidster]

HaesoME3 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Hexoskin wrote...

All you dumbasses [...] that black guy to come bumfuk you in the shower again.

Get your heads out of your asses...

Whoa! That right there convinced me to agree with you...


NOT! If you can't even argue without insulting you're not worth the effort. That response made as much sense as those who call as entitled brats. 

And if you're willing to buy a fixed ending DLC you should be slapped. kthx.

Psst... You're just giving the media further evidence of how childish some of us are (IE you). Keep insulting behind that keyboard of yours, it goes a long way on NOT helping us fulfill our goal. 

To be fair the majority of your posting has been little more than devil's advocate and "polite" goading.

I'm sorry if you see it that way, but I didn't blatantly attack anyone with them.