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[Tony208]

Yeah the thing is they're not going to fix it for free.

Money talks.

[garf]

Barbie__Boy wrote...

when I say I am willing to pay to fix the ending I do not mean the last 5 min the absolutely ruined everything
frankly, the entire last mission was underwhelming I would prefer if they fixed the entire misson or added more after the current "ending"

sure, I refuse to pay to fix the last 5min and call it a day but if they give ME3 a truly epic ending I will pay.
sure it sucks but there is A lot I would like changed

Let's see what we offer before we start bartering. This is like walking up to a market stall and having a loud conversation with each about how much that exotic rug is worth then wondering why the vendor knows exactly how high you will go.

[garf]

Tony208 wrote...

Yeah the thing is they're not going to fix it for free.

Money talks.

So does Pain. Are sure we are powerless, when it comes to costing them ENOUGH money to make it look like a certain level of free fix isn't a deal for them? I'm not. And I'm therefore going to hold the line without conceeding anything until they offer something for which I might concede something in exchange. I want to keep this civil but I'm starting to wonder why  this idea is SO hard to grasp? Let not fight over what we will or will not pay for what we imagine they will or will not offer and instead stay unified in our stance that they have to acknowledge us and must offer something... if they want peace with us.

[pjotroos]

Jesus. They screwed up on the ending, alright. There are games that suck as a whole, and they still cost full price. The only reason so many people cares is because they didn't screw up the rest of the game. And right now, I'm more concerned about the quality of possible fix, not the price tag on it. They should make it free. Not for the sake of being fair, but for the sake of getting out of this PR disaster, but I don't care if they do. All I care is that they make it good this time around.

Modifié par pjotroos, 19 mars 2012 - 04:48 .

[swn32]

fox121 wrote...

swn32 wrote...

fox121 wrote...

If out of respect to the fans they created a new ending, I would grudgingly pay to bring the series to an end. However if it turns out true BW purposely with held the ending in an attempt to release it as DLC I will lose all respect for BW and EA, the concept is so unethical and will open the flood gates to other developers until we reach the point of buying a game and only getting a title screen.

Or you can watch all the ending cutscenes on youtube. Would you pay for patches? If not, then why will you pay for an ending fix.

Your missing the point



Many people who want a different ending areexpecting more than a scene with Shepard hugging it out with Garrus, I speak for myself when I say I want no trace of a magic child forcing 3 choices on me. If the ending was the final product from BW then they are being asked to create a brand new conclusion. Which means staff will have to put their time and effort in, you are naive to think people will work for free. It will take writers, developers, and actors etc. to further develop an area.

The way these companies charge 20% of the games original prices for 2% of relative content and how easily every one buys it is absolutely disgusting.

Some developers give lots of bonus content for free. For example, witcher 2 enhanced edition which is a FREE upgrade for owners of the game. Hard Reset extended edition, another FREE upgrade. And here you have EA/Bioware charging money for small things weapon packs, armor packs, alternate appearance packs, squad picture pack (wtf srsly?). As a modder i have made stuff like these in my free time and shared it with the community for free. Also if the entire game costs 60$ which is 20+ hours long, why should a 15-20 min mission cost 10$.

Dont tell me who is naive. You clearly havent been spoilt by good game developers who actually care about the community and reward the community with bonus content. Not milk them dry for every last cent. The way most of you are willing to pay $10 for just the ending is ludicrous. You all are encouraging this evil business practice.

PS: Im not talking about an extra scene with Shepard hugging Garrus. Im talking about full ending cutscenes that show the result of all choices u made and brings proper closure to the story. Not the AI god child deus ex ripoff cr*p obviously.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Rotkiv7 wrote...

Grumpy-Mcfart wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.

given the resources that would go into fixing the ending. it is unreasonable to expect them to fix it and ask nothing in return

It's true NO developer could possibely afford something like that.

Hmm, there was something..... oh yeah, what about CD Project RED who give you 4 additional hours of gameplay in the Witcher 2 for free, because fans weren't satisfied with the length of the last chapter? Its not like they are a juggernaut with unlimited ressources either.

Big difference here bud, CD Project RED isn't financing island yachts.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

staindgrey wrote...

Yes. This is exactly what we need to do.

When we've already bought the game and have just about zero leverage with which to make demands, we should stand strong and demand that Bioware/EA pool their resources to give us free stuff. Compromising and offering to pay a small amount in order to justify them fixing our bad ending is just way beyond reasonable.

Get off your high horses, people. Making demands "for free" will earn us nothing. You already bought the product, and the suits already know that our threats of boycotting are almost guaranteed to be empty in the majority of the fan population. Instead, let's make more specific appeals for what we want, and how much we're actually willing to pay. Because, let's face it, if it happens we WILL have to pay for it. They can't possibly call in all the talent they need and not charge.

I'm a customer first and a fan second, I don't care if 50k of us have to fly to edmonton and collectively poop on BW's driveway like they did to us, the ending will be fixed, we will look at is as a defective part and BW is doing a factory recall.

[garf]

fox121 wrote...

swn32 wrote...

fox121 wrote...

If out of respect to the fans they created a new ending, I would grudgingly pay to bring the series to an end. However if it turns out true BW purposely with held the ending in an attempt to release it as DLC I will lose all respect for BW and EA, the concept is so unethical and will open the flood gates to other developers until we reach the point of buying a game and only getting a title screen.

Or you can watch all the ending cutscenes on youtube. Would you pay for patches? If not, then why will you pay for an ending fix.

Your missing the point



Many people who want a different ending areexpecting more than a scene with Shepard hugging it out with Garrus, I speak for myself when I say I want no trace of a magic child forcing 3 choices on me. If the ending was the final product from BW then they are being asked to create a brand new conclusion. Which means staff will have to put their time and effort in, you are naive to think people will work for free. It will take writers, developers, and actors etc. to further develop an area.

I know a contractor... you can call them crooks sure (just like we're 'entitled')... but you know what most of THEM know that you screw up the finish on someone's wall. or even do a paint job that looks like ****... you're going to get a call back. and if you want good word of mouth you put in all that extra time and materials in without charging extra. Sometimes you do this even when you think the customer is being a chiseling dick. Sometimes you eat a loss sometimes your roomie (me) has to cover your half of the rent. But everyday I watch this guy's business grow until he's working 7 days a week and still has to defer jobs until months later. Quality work is NOT working for free. Only in the gaming industry doe  people think that the service provider is not answerable to the customer.

That's just my opinion. No need to go spreading it around.

Modifié par garf, 19 mars 2012 - 05:02 .

[Warhawk7137]

granyte wrote...

i already paid 95$ bucks to have a collector edition and expected nothing les then and epic ending now don;t make me cry i have a fairly good idea of the amount of money it takes to devlop a game and
5$ is actualy what the devlopement costed
10$ is the publicity
20$ the PR to cover thier back
and the rest is profit



stop trying to make me cry over the poor multi-national compagnie that EA is

I severely doubt that they made ME3 for 17.5 million, which would be how many they've shipped so far at $5/copy for development.  If MGS4, GTAIV, L.A. Noire, and Halo 3 cost upward of 50 million, I can't imagine ME3 would be that much less than that.

Publicity - A.K.A. advertising - isn't a bad thing, though I'm not sure it would be quite as much as that.

Don't know where you're getting that number for "PR to cover their back."

And then costs associated with production and shipping.

In any case, only that last one is really a per-unit cost.  The rest is a flat cost that gets divided by tne number of units sold.  It doesn't cost more to develop the game if you sell an extra million copies, you just make more profit.

[weltraumhamster89]

Well, I'm willing to pay for a full DLC as long as its better and longer than the last DLCs they brought for ME2 (they were far too short for 10$) and I would want a lot more conversation and dialogue, for example with your LI.

So yes, I would gladly pay for a post-ending DLC, but never ever for a pre-ending DLC. Besides, when we pay we will get better content. I do not want a free fix that is lousy, I want it to just blow my mind as I expected it from the beginning on (and was let down very hard).

[Vovea]

You've got to give a little. From polls I seen and friends I've talked to I'd said the majority of people dislike the ending, however that doesn't mean everyone was disappointed, and Bioware have said they're pleased with it.

If they is any chance of DLC, and god I'm depressingly doubtful but still crossing my fingers tightly, it will have to be paid for. A company would never make something that takes up that much time and resources out of the goodness of their heart, even if it restores loyalty with fans. It's too much of a gamble.

Paid ending DLC however would mean profits from fans who hated the ending and wanted it changed and fans who enjoyed it, because well, they enjoyed it and will most probably buy more to continue the story. If DLC was released and it was just another mission to take a planet or colony back, it's probable that not even half of the people who would have paid for the ending DLC would buy it because the ME universe would always be a depressing reminder of what could have been.

If no money can be made from alternate ending DLC it won't be made. If a lot of money can be made from it, more than usual DLC and restores fan loyalty, it stands a chance. I think that's the best message you can put out to developers.

I'm not at all saying that the people who actually build the game are only after money. They obviously care about what they've created, but they aren't the ones who get to decide whats free and whats not.

Modifié par Vovea, 19 mars 2012 - 05:06 .

[Armass81]

I dont think you should pay them for any ending DLC. If you do you are basically rewarding them with extra cash for screwing up.

As a gesture of trust and good will towards the fanbase the DLC, should there ever be one, should be free. You made more than enough money from this game Bioware, I think you can spare the cash. Its not about profits anymore. And even if it is, you will lose a lot more by charging something in the long run. You will lose the trust of fans that have supported your company.

Modifié par Armass81, 19 mars 2012 - 05:07 .

[detroitmechworks]

Aiyie wrote...


well, i do agree, EA loves their money... which is why i think we'll get something.

but... we are dependent on them.  beacuse lets face it, for as much bad press as they're getting from us, the loyal fans... the lack of our business is very likely to be fully compensated by someone who doesn't have the same emotional investment as we do.

we really don't have as much power as people think... i sincerely doubt the movement is so large and influential as to impact EA, or Bioware's, bottom dollar when we withhold our money by refusing to purchase future products.

for every customer lost, you can bet they will get a new customer (there are already threads about how newcomers that didn't pre-order or buy on day 1 don't mind the ending). 

do you honestly think they'd still be in business if their business plan is this dependent on our relatively small segment of their market?

remember the old saying, "there's a sucker born every minute"  yea, sorry to break everyone's bubble, but we are not special and unique snowflakes... we're disposable income that can be easily replaced.

if we want anything done, we don't have much choice but to do it on their terms.  if we're lucky, we'll get to negotiate some, but don't expect it.  its in their best interest to please us, rather than take a loss, but if we push them, they can take the loss and in the end we're the ones worse off for it.

A customer with a bad experience on average affects ten potential sales.

A customer with a good experience on average affects 3 potential sales.

It's happened before when video games started to just be shoveled out the door, in 1983.  Untold game companies lost out on money because people just didn't care.  It can and will happen again.

In short:  I strongly disagree with you, but appreciate your civility.

[Fred_MacManus]

Bioware should treat repairing the endings the same way it would treat repairing any other bad code. In other words, issue a patch to make the repair. DO NOT try to sell us DLC.

[Tritium315]

I'd buy the game again just to get a proper ending.

[Fred_MacManus]

garf wrote...

I know a contractor... you can call them crooks sure (just like we're 'entitled')... but you know what most of THEM know that you screw up the finish on someone's wall. or even do a paint job that looks like ****... you're going to get a call back. and if you want good word of mouth you put in all that extra time and materials in without charging extra. Sometimes you do this even when you think the customer is being a chiseling dick. Sometimes you eat a loss sometimes your roomie (me) has to cover your half of the rent. But everyday I watch this guy's business grow until he's working 7 days a week and still has to defer jobs until months later. Quality work is NOT working for free. Only in the gaming industry doe  people think that the service provider is not answerable to the customer.

The people at Bioware need to chisel this on their foreheads, tattoo it on their eyelids, whatever it takes to make it sink in.

[77boy84]

Tritium315 wrote...

I'd buy the game again just to get a proper ending.

That makes you one of EA and Bioware's favorite fans.

I'm sure they love knowing that they can release a game with a bad ending and then sell a new one later for even more money.

[detroitmechworks]

77boy84 wrote...

That makes you one of EA and Bioware's favorite fans.

I'm sure they love knowing that they can release a game with a bad ending and then sell a new one later for even more money.

They're gonna get away with this ONCE if they insist on getting paid for the DLC.

After that, people will just stop buying Bioware and EA games, because we no longer trust them not to shake us down at key plot points. 

"Want to do a paragon interrupt?  Pay a dollar." 
"Wait!  There's another one right after that!  Pay another Dollar!"

[Keiran Solaris]

There shouldn't be a charge for a complete ending to the game. DLC that expands to the aftermath of the ending (IE what happens to all the fleets/aliens in the Sol system afterwards) would be acceptable but the ending needs to be finished first. Things need to be explained and plot holes need to be filled in. That shouldn't cost additional money, that should have been done from the start.

[BlackAceAngel]

Totalbiscult was talking about something about this today in his video (from 10:50)

[Lendorien]

We will pay for the ending DLC. It's silly to expect anything less. Bioware and Ea are there to make money. They're not going to fix the ending for free. Game development, especially on the level of ME3 is expensive.

If they don't think there's a monetary payout for this, they won't do it unless they see that the damage to Bioware is irrepafrable if they don't. 

At this point, I don't think they see it that way.  I don't think they see us fans as big a threat as we think we are.

Modifié par Lendorien, 19 mars 2012 - 05:19 .

[valex-jedi]

I'm all up for free patch. but if it'll help speed and the process, I'll preorder that DLC

[Fred_MacManus]

valex-jedi wrote...

I'm all up for free patch. but if it'll help speed and the process, I'll preorder that DLC

That's like a certain New York general saying I'm all for freedom and liberty, but if it'll get the war over sooner, I'll surrender West Point to the British.

[Karmicmoogle]

I'm sorry but I will not pay for a DLC ending. The product did not live up to the expectation created by the company. A Game is a product just like any other product out there.  If an ending dlc is release at I charge, I will not buy it and most probably would not pre-order future BW games.  I would wait for reviews and speak to people who have finished the game and then decide whether I really want it.

Should customers reward the company for not living up to their promise? No they shouldn't but then again we live in a world where a buggy game can win game of the year... The HYPE monster can be your friend but it can also be your worst enemy

Modifié par Karmicmoogle, 19 mars 2012 - 05:50 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Free = DLC that replaces the current ending with an epic ending.

Paid = DLC that replaces the current ending with an epic ending and an expansion pack for the game to add say 10 to 15 hrs of game play to start rebuilding earth and pave the way for say another expansion pack. this is the "Broken Steel" scenario. I would pay for this one.