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[granyte]

Warhawk7137 wrote...

granyte wrote...

i already paid 95$ bucks to have a collector edition and expected nothing les then and epic ending now don;t make me cry i have a fairly good idea of the amount of money it takes to devlop a game and
5$ is actualy what the devlopement costed
10$ is the publicity
20$ the PR to cover thier back
and the rest is profit



stop trying to make me cry over the poor multi-national compagnie that EA is

I severely doubt that they made ME3 for 17.5 million, which would be how many they've shipped so far at $5/copy for development.  If MGS4, GTAIV, L.A. Noire, and Halo 3 cost upward of 50 million, I can't imagine ME3 would be that much less than that.

Publicity - A.K.A. advertising - isn't a bad thing, though I'm not sure it would be quite as much as that.

Don't know where you're getting that number for "PR to cover their back."

And then costs associated with production and shipping.

In any case, only that last one is really a per-unit cost.  The rest is a flat cost that gets divided by tne number of units sold.  It doesn't cost more to develop the game if you sell an extra million copies, you just make more profit.

that's a rough estimation including the printing of a box book etching the cd etc

[granyte]

Aiyie wrote...

So the contract doesn't stipulate I have the right to a satisfying, well-crafted game, so that's it? I just roll over and hand them my CC number for all the "more time-consuming ways to lose" DLC they're going to foist on us? Nope, don't think I will.

You can tell BW that you'll go the paid DLC route if you want but all you'll be doing is putting yourself on BW and EA's Useful Idiots list.

sure you do.

but here's the question... where did you specify the requirements that were necessary for it to be a "satisfying, well-crafted game" PRIOR to paying for it?  and where did the developer agree to your specifications, in a legal contract, PRIOR to you paying for it?

if you didn't do that, you don't deserve anything more than what you blindly paid for.

im just as angry as others about all this, but be realistic about it.  you got what you paid for, nothing more, nothing less.

doesn't mean we don't have the right to petition for a change, or that it be free... but to demand it, and not only that, demand it be given to us free of charge?  yea... we don't have ANY right to expect that.

it could happen, if the sales projections show it would benefit the company in the long run... but with all the projects they have to work on that could bring in new consumers (not to mention the newcomers to this particular series who may not react to the endings like we have), its just not likely.

false advertising

[granyte]

Updated OP with a poll

http://social.biowar...48/polls/30035/

Modifié par granyte, 19 mars 2012 - 07:58 .

[Fred_MacManus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Free = DLC that replaces the current ending with an epic ending.

Paid = DLC that replaces the current ending with an epic ending and an expansion pack for the game to add say 10 to 15 hrs of game play to start rebuilding earth and pave the way for say another expansion pack. this is the "Broken Steel" scenario. I would pay for this one.

This I would agree with, although in my opinion, the free option should be a patch, not a DLC.

[granyte]

Fred_MacManus wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Free = DLC that replaces the current ending with an epic ending.

Paid = DLC that replaces the current ending with an epic ending and an expansion pack for the game to add say 10 to 15 hrs of game play to start rebuilding earth and pave the way for say another expansion pack. this is the "Broken Steel" scenario. I would pay for this one.

This I would agree with, although in my opinion, the free option should be a patch, not a DLC.

correcting the ending by removing the existing plot holes should be considered a patch and should be delivered for free what those that wann it free ask for is not a completly new ending that they have to create from scratch just a fix  the mistake in the current one

now if they wanna add more content on top of it that part can be considered dlc and require to be paid and i would pay for it as long as the 5 minutes ending is repaired and the plot holes are removed even for those that won't pay for aditional content

Modifié par granyte, 19 mars 2012 - 11:14 .

[wulf3n]

Vovea wrote...
 Bioware have said they're pleased with it. 

 
 Good for them, they're not the ones paying for it.

Vovea wrote... 
A company would never make something that takes up that much time and resources out of the goodness of their heart.

 

They won't be doing it out of the kindness of their heart, it will be to ensure they still have people willing to buy thier products.

Vovea wrote... 
If no money can be made from alternate ending DLC it won't be made. If a lot of money can be made from it, more than usual DLC and restores fan loyalty, it stands a chance.
 

  

They were going to make dlc anyway, they said so at the end of the game, now they just know what will sell the most.

 

Vovea wrote...  
I think that's the best message you can put out to developers. 

Words cannot describe how much I dissagree with this sentance.

[blmlozz]

They won't be doing it out of the kindness of their heart, it will be to ensure they still have people willing to buy thier products.

exactly. The 'pay us to fix your game' trick would only work once, ever, and then you'd never hear from said customer again. More so over the controversy that the From ashes DLC introduced. That would pratcitly validate all of the uproar that it caused. Even if you're willing to pay for the fix (I am btw) that doesn't make it OK, because then you're saying, yes, it's so horribly wrong that people would pay to make it go away. Reworking the ending wouldn't require much finacial or technical effort ultimately from bioware. Brining back the main actors back is a scheduling thing, and we wouldn't even need FMV cutscenes really, the game's engine could be good enough for 5 minuites of cutscenes for 3 options or so.

Bioware doesn't need to do this free of charge *just* for ME3, they need to do it to show that they still care about their fanbase and they're not becoming some kind of indoctrinated EA husk, the decline of DA2, and now ME3 has not gone unnoticed by most.

Modifié par blmlozz, 20 mars 2012 - 12:08 .

[Tregon]

detroitmechworks wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

That makes you one of EA and Bioware's favorite fans.

I'm sure they love knowing that they can release a game with a bad ending and then sell a new one later for even more money.

They're gonna get away with this ONCE if they insist on getting paid for the DLC.

After that, people will just stop buying Bioware and EA games, because we no longer trust them not to shake us down at key plot points. 

"Want to do a paragon interrupt?  Pay a dollar." 
"Wait!  There's another one right after that!  Pay another Dollar!"

Guess what is solution to this...

PAY NOTHING FOR ENDING EITHER! DO NOT LET THEM GET AWAY EVEN ONCE!

I do think that this "Hold the line" must have "No quarter" added to it. Letting EA and Bioware trample on you, sucking away your hard earned money while sitting on sales profits for faulty profit is idiotic position honestly.

One solution would be suitable social media where you could sign up (no facebook, hate the bloody thing tyvm, thus would result in less signatures) and tell Bioware and EA that unless ending is fixed for free, Bioware products are on total boycott. Enough signatures and enough pressure on sales, they fold.

Else, they bite little deeper to suck your lifeblood (or money) away since they know they can get away with it.
Saying "I will boycott them after I pay for this" is weak stance, saying "I will boycott you even if you release ending if you charge for it" is much stronger position. That offers them nothing, while giving free fix will provide chance to reclaim great deal of customers.

[Xerxes52]

I have to agree. The fixes should be distributed via an automatic update (even if they're Battlefield sized updates), not sold.

[xeNNN]

for those of you wanting it for free the best solution and compromise would be a paid DLC. A free DLC would appease fans but would not be good for business.

however forbes does have a good take on it.

at this point im indifferent to the whole thing.

Modifié par xeNNN, 20 mars 2012 - 05:56 .

[FortitudeSon]

Would certainly agree that it should be free, from a moral perspective, even though it's highly unlikely that they'll be able to do that even if they wanted to. Odds are any ending DLCs will come with a price tag, and I'd personally be fine with paying for it at cost of production.

[CronoDragoon]

I just want them to give Mass Effect justice, and paid DLC is the best way to assure that. So I'll eat soup instead of a bacon cheeseburger one day. Worth it.

[Fl1xx]

Compromise is necessary to insure continuation.

[blooregard]

HaesoME3 wrote...

Grumpy-Mcfart wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.

given the resources that would go into fixing the ending. it is unreasonable to expect them to fix it and ask nothing in return

They made the mistake of creating a terrible ending that was nothing like what they advertised - if the consumer has to pay for the developer to fix it's own mistakes, the consumer is being duped. Mass effect 3 deserves to die before it deserves to have more money thrown at it until they do right by us and provide a proper ending. I will not support bad business practices by paying for the ending. If they create a suitable ending and deliver it free of charge, I will then consider buying any DLC/new games from EA, until then I won't. Simple enough.

As much as I think they should own up to their mistakes Bethesda did the same thing with fallout 3 I'm fine with paying for an ending provided they price it at 10 bucks or lower.

[Tregon]

xeNNN wrote...

for those of you wanting it for free the best solution and compromise would be a paid DLC. A free DLC would appease fans but would not be good for business.

Actually, getting customer to come buy stuff another time is good for business. Yes, they have to take a hit on profit, but loss of profit now vs loss of sales permanently is situation where good business sense tells you to make less profit with ME3 and hope to hold on to customers.

Worst thing you can do is tell that they can suck your money out of your wallet with paid DLC AND keep you as customer.

Bioware CAN afford to do this for free. They just have to be told that it is either free ending DLC or guaranteed loss of customers.

blooregard wrote...

As much as I think they should own up to their mistakes Bethesda did the same thing with fallout 3 I'm fine with paying for an ending provided they price it at 10 bucks or lower.

 

Fallout 3 ending was never as abysmal as this. You HAD option to not fix the bloody purifier at all, you HAD option to tell chick go and get killed. Or you could go yourself. 

Did they alter the ending to let you live after choosing to sacrifice yourself? Yes, but in the end the ending was not totally flawed on scale of ME3. Nor was it culmination of three games.

Modifié par Tregon, 20 mars 2012 - 07:27 .

[Fred_MacManus]

If you were to go to a Lamborghini dealership, pay for a Lamborghini, and get the body of a Lamborghini with the engine of a Yugo, would you let them get away with charging you more to replace the Yugo engine with a proper Lamborghini engine?

How is this situation any different?

[blehblah123]

i completely agree with Tregon. It's really up to them ... they might have to eat a short term cost for an ultimate long term gain... it's not about working for free..it's about restoring faith in their brand.

would people pay for an epic ending right now..sure!...but it basically sets a bad precedent for them to sell you half a game ..say it's the full game..and once you're invested..come back and charge you double! I think that's shady.

[Eclipse merc]

I would be more than disappointed if they made ending DLC priced.

[kakomu]

Grumpy-Mcfart wrote...
given the resources that would go into fixing the ending. it is unreasonable to expect them to fix it and ask nothing in return

It's unreasonable that Bioware would expect consumers to spend $60+ for a game that was incomplete.

[Murkman4683]

I want an ending where we play the entire series as BroShep and then you wake up as FemShep on the ship traveling to Eden Prime getting ready for the first mission.

[granyte]

kakomu wrote...

Grumpy-Mcfart wrote...
given the resources that would go into fixing the ending. it is unreasonable to expect them to fix it and ask nothing in return

It's unreasonable that Bioware would expect consumers to spend $60+ for a game that was incomplete.

def and even more for those that paid for the collector edition

[vometia]

Grumpy-Mcfart wrote...

given the resources that would go into fixing the ending. it is unreasonable to expect them to fix it and ask nothing in return

They've already been paid.