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[Lugaidster]

Vasparian wrote...

Grumpy-Mcfart wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.

given the resources that would go into fixing the ending. it is unreasonable to expect them to fix it and ask nothing in return

It was unreasonable for them to end the game the way they did.

There's no objective way to demonstrate this claim. Given that, it is unreasonable to demand something for free when there's no proof of the harm. Besides, I'd rather have a quality ending than a free one, and no, you can't have both because there's no incentive for quality without the money. I'm not saying you have to accept it, but there's no reason to demand that everyone should refuse it.

[Ekebes]

I'd prefer if it was for free, would make up for a lot of lost grund on their side. But I'd like to see a proper ending and making a proper ending will be expensive. So yeah, I'd pay for it.

And I also think this is a great opportunity. OK, ruining a whole series like this is also something memorable, but taking the fanbase into the process to this extent would be the first time in video gaming history! The ending was a bad move, but thinking of how a development team takes into account feedback and the fanbase providing the ressources that are needed to make it happen just amazes me.

[staindgrey]

In case you all have forgotten, pretty much any DLC hosting service that isn't Steam requires DLC to cost a certain amount of money depending upon file size. Specifically XBL will force them to charge even if EA feels like giving this hypothetical DLC for free (which they won't).

So, yeah. Good luck with that and stuff.

[ShadowAussie]

yeah I would agree that the ending needs to be started from scratch. just look at the strategy guide. damn what afew pagers when that character options weren't from to my expectations. it was annoying and frustrating. you need to have babinger in the fight again. you need to drive the mako in battle. you need to get on the guns for covering fire for troop to land, you need to help squard mates from mass effect 2 in the trechers behide enemy lines.

[granyte]

Lugaidster wrote...

Vasparian wrote...

Grumpy-Mcfart wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.

given the resources that would go into fixing the ending. it is unreasonable to expect them to fix it and ask nothing in return

It was unreasonable for them to end the game the way they did.

There's no objective way to demonstrate this claim. Given that, it is unreasonable to demand something for free when there's no proof of the harm. Besides, I'd rather have a quality ending than a free one, and no, you can't have both because there's no incentive for quality without the money. I'm not saying you have to accept it, but there's no reason to demand that everyone should refuse it.

there is it's called post sales customer service or making sure a product works as intended and advertised that generaly makes sure client are satisfied with the product and will come back for more

that's like buying a usb key at best buy but the connector is broken (by desing) so the key is useless and now you have to buy a new one instead of just exchanging it for one that works or having it fixed if it can be

[naes1984]

You're either going to get paid DLC or nothing. That's reality. Sorry, but the entitlement culture is what infuriates me the most about gamers. Won't happen. The most we can hope for is to convince them that changing the endings is a profitable undertaking. They may just ignore us until the fury dies down but the idea that they will come out and say "Sorry guys, we totally screwed up so here's all this additional content for free" is ludicrous.

[granyte]

staindgrey wrote...

In case you all have forgotten, pretty much any DLC hosting service that isn't Steam requires DLC to cost a certain amount of money depending upon file size. Specifically XBL will force them to charge even if EA feels like giving this hypothetical DLC for free (which they won't).

So, yeah. Good luck with that and stuff.

they force origin down our throath so they can distribute thier own DRM patch and dlc they just have to make it a patch and distribute it through thier forced origin

[TheRealMithril]

Be reasonable.

Being a developer myself I can assure this costs a *lot* of money. I think they messed up bad, but in the end it is their baby and their call. We can 'demand' all we want, but it is their time, money and resources. I have no doubt they are listening, but they are also a company that needs to make a profit. EA won't let them squander money on projects just to please a community. No, the wheels need to turn, maybe all the way up to the top before you see any action. It does amount to money in the end (if we for a moment leave the artisic side out of the picture) This is a complex situation, and not at all as simple as 'give me'.

I want a new ending(s) as much as the next one.. or more appropriately, a continuation because 'broken' doesn't even begin to describe how I feel about the ending(s). But I am also respecting the fact that it is BioWares choice to do so. We can't 'demand' anything, but we have every right to complain. Anything else and I would betray myself.

Oh, and I won't stop playing the game because of this. I bought it and I absolutely love it. I have issues with the abyssmal ending, that is all. Personally I would not want my 'baby' to be remembered by those last ten minutes, that is for certain.

[granyte]

naes1984 wrote...

You're either going to get paid DLC or nothing. That's reality. Sorry, but the entitlement culture is what infuriates me the most about gamers. Won't happen. The most we can hope for is to convince them that changing the endings is a profitable undertaking. They may just ignore us until the fury dies down but the idea that they will come out and say "Sorry guys, we totally screwed up so here's all this additional content for free" is ludicrous.

it's not aditional content it's sabotaged content i mean just listen to 5 fracking second of the ending without finding a plot hole if they were not put there intentionaly i don't wanna deal with EA ever again

[Tsantilas]

Grumpy-Mcfart wrote...

given the resources that would go into fixing the ending. it is unreasonable to expect them to fix it and ask nothing in return

They should have thought of that before they ****ed up in the first place then eh?

[SentinelBorg]

Liquoid wrote...

Yeah, Bioware is a corp. Corps don't do that kind of stuff for the customer.

Some do: http://exophase.com/...t-free-upgrade/

[granyte]

TheRealMithril wrote...

Be reasonable.

Being a developer myself I can assure this costs a *lot* of money. I think they messed up bad, but in the end it is their baby and their call. We can 'demand' all we want, but it is their time, money and resources. I have no doubt they are listening, but they are also a company that needs to make a profit. EA won't let them squander money on projects just to please a community. No, the wheels need to turn, maybe all the way up to the top before you see any action. It does amount to money in the end (if we for a moment leave the artisic side out of the picture) This is a complex situation, and not at all as simple as 'give me'.

I want a new ending(s) as much as the next one.. or more appropriately, a continuation because 'broken' doesn't even begin to describe how I feel about the ending(s). But I am also respecting the fact that it is BioWares choice to do so. We can't 'demand' anything, but we have every right to complain. Anything else and I would betray myself.

Oh, and I won't stop playing the game because of this. I bought it and I absolutely love it. I have issues with the abyssmal ending, that is all. Personally I would not want my 'baby' to be remembered by those last ten minutes, that is for certain.

don't call the i'm on the web i might as well make the call that i'm the us president it mean nothing and if i pull my credential out you will only have to agree that the 60 some bucks we paid for the game is mostly wind

[Jack_Forest]

Well, they will probably have to get the main VAs to work on the ending - I'm sure they deserve every penny they get. I don't think new ending show be free, but I think it should be relatively cheap.

[Denethar]

I'd have no problem paying for an Ending DLC.

[granyte]

Jack_Forest wrote...

Well, they will probably have to get the main VAs to work on the ending - I'm sure they deserve every penny they get. I don't think new ending show be free, but I think it should be relatively cheap.

they will have to re hire them for any other dlc anyway so just put it as a minor part of an other dlc contract (hell a 5 minutes is not gonna ruin them)

release fixed ending for free (that's still only 5 damned minutes that need to be fixed so maybe 200 mb patch?)

release other paid dlc i will gladly pay for


and tada i just made that profitable because i won;t pay anything unless this is fixed for free

what you guys are missing is they work for us for the money we accept to shelve for thier ridiculously priced rushed piece of sabotaged work and if we decide tomorrow that X practice is unaceptable
what can they say oh crap the 100 million we made with the game was not enough we need more? hell makes the calculation of what they got through sales already and just for a second try to maitain that they cannot fix it they don;t have the money for it

Modifié par granyte, 19 mars 2012 - 09:22 .

[naes1984]

It's already a longshot that they are going to fix the ending let alone for free. What is likely to happen is that they will simply hunker down and out wait us then announce some stupid unrelated DLC about Aria or Javik or Joker and the protests will start dying down. Companies can be very patient when they need to be. Their PR strategy is obvious; it is like the Reapers wearing the galaxy down through attrition.

[devSin]

I want them to fix the endings.

How they manage do so and what they ask for in return is their business.

[wulf3n]

SentinelBorg wrote...
Some do: http://exophase.com/...t-free-upgrade/

 cdprojekt... i love you. first you give the finger to drm, then you bypass stupid censorship laws, and now this. 

[TheRealMithril]

granyte wrote...

don't call the i'm on the web i might as well make the call that i'm the us president it mean nothing and if i pull my credential out you will only have to agree that the 60 some bucks we paid for the game is mostly wind

What you choose to belive in is entirely up to you. I have nothing to gain from pretending. I offer a perspective. How you take it.. well..

[cjmarsh725]

naes1984 wrote...

It's already a longshot that they are going to fix the ending let alone for free. What is likely to happen is that they will simply hunker down and out wait us then announce some stupid unrelated DLC about Aria or Javik or Joker and the protests will start dying down. Companies can be very patient when they need to be. Their PR strategy is obvious; it is like the Reapers wearing the galaxy down through attrition.

While I would normally agree, there are pretty strong indiciations that the sales of other types of DLC might be impacted by the dissatisfaction over the ending. It may not be enough to have them drop everything and fix it but it might be enough for them to announce that a fix (or some kind of ending-related DLC) is in the works.

[Ieldra]

Elite Midget wrote...
They aren't listening and are blinded by their own pride. If they did make a new ending dlc they would charge a premium for it because in their eyes their current ending is a masterpiece and their fans just don't get it.

I do not think so, no.

I think they really didn't see the disconnect between the starchild sequence and the rest of the game. Such things happen. Consider ME:Deception. Nobody can explain how that got past the editors, but it did.

I think they were too enamored of the themes they wanted to express in the endings. That blinded them to major problems. It's easy to see if you consider that the starchild sequence, taken on its own and disconnected from the plot, is rather beautiful and presents a lot of food for thought. Only if put it at the end of the Mass Effect trilogy it ceases to make any sense.

It's like the ending of another game (Deus Ex, anyone?) grafted onto ME3.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[EsterCloat]

wulf3n wrote...

SentinelBorg wrote...
Some do: http://exophase.com/...t-free-upgrade/

 cdprojekt... i love you. first you give the finger to drm, then you bypass stupid censorship laws, and now this. 

That's just...I can't put it in words. I feel like going out and buying The Witcher 2 now. You know what? I'm going to go do that.

[GothamLord]

Maybe BioWare can do a Kickstarter program to get the money for a new ending DLC. Would gauge if investing time in a new ending would be worth the effort. It worked for Double Fine. They asked for around $400,000 and ended up getting over $3 million for the development of their next game.

Modifié par GothamLord, 19 mars 2012 - 09:26 .

[granyte]

naes1984 wrote...

It's already a longshot that they are going to fix the ending let alone for free. What is likely to happen is that they will simply hunker down and out wait us then announce some stupid unrelated DLC about Aria or Javik or Joker and the protests will start dying down. Companies can be very patient when they need to be. Their PR strategy is obvious; it is like the Reapers wearing the galaxy down through attrition.

and we can win this war cause we hold money in our pocket

if we don't buy unrelated dlc bullcrap what happens? oh crap maybe we should not treat our customer like crap because they really understand we are trying to milk them

and if we buy paid dlc oh look that bunch of idiot didn't see it comming tell the word scrap the ending of every game and release the ending as dlc