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[Madecologist]

staindgrey wrote...

Yes. This is exactly what we need to do.

When we've already bought the game and have just about zero leverage with which to make demands, we should stand strong and demand that Bioware/EA pool their resources to give us free stuff. Compromising and offering to pay a small amount in order to justify them fixing our bad ending is just way beyond reasonable.

Get off your high horses, people. Making demands "for free" will earn us nothing. You already bought the product, and the suits already know that our threats of boycotting are almost guaranteed to be empty in the majority of the fan population. Instead, let's make more specific appeals for what we want, and how much we're actually willing to pay. Because, let's face it, if it happens we WILL have to pay for it. They can't possibly call in all the talent they need and not charge.

This.

Yes, we all know the DLC should be free in a perfect world. But we don't live in a perfect world. A DLC like a different ending will be a significant cost in resources as far as DLCs go (unless you want it to be yet another unsatisfying ending). So it is natural such an endevour can only be executed with funding, and funding will only come if profit will pay for it.

We can ask it to be of quality, we can ask that the price be fair, but we can't really ask it to be free. As much as we feel it should be. If people demand things they can't feasibiely pull off (remember, getting the VA's to do voice work is not cheap) then they won't be able to do anything.

Heck lets have a DLC on the table before we even start making price demands.

[granyte]

EsterCloat wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

SentinelBorg wrote...
Some do: http://exophase.com/...t-free-upgrade/

 cdprojekt... i love you. first you give the finger to drm, then you bypass stupid censorship laws, and now this. 

That's just...I can't put it in words. I feel like going out and buying The Witcher 2 now. You know what? I'm going to go do that.

they might just have gained an other customer

[swn32]

Bioware is not CDPR

[BadlyBrowned]

swn32 wrote...

Bioware is not CDPR

Yeah, they've been bought by the dEAvil.

[naes1984]

cjmarsh725 wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

It's already a longshot that they are going to fix the ending let alone for free. What is likely to happen is that they will simply hunker down and out wait us then announce some stupid unrelated DLC about Aria or Javik or Joker and the protests will start dying down. Companies can be very patient when they need to be. Their PR strategy is obvious; it is like the Reapers wearing the galaxy down through attrition.

While I would normally agree, there are pretty strong indiciations that the sales of other types of DLC might be impacted by the dissatisfaction over the ending. It may not be enough to have them drop everything and fix it but it might be enough for them to announce that a fix (or some kind of ending-related DLC) is in the works.

Yes, but can really all trust eachother to not buy additional mission-based DLC? It is very easy not to buy multiplayer map-packs. But if the DLC is specifically intended as fan service to deflect from criticsm it might be mighty tempting (Blasto DLC anyone?).

[granyte]

Madecologist wrote...

staindgrey wrote...

Yes. This is exactly what we need to do.

When we've already bought the game and have just about zero leverage with which to make demands, we should stand strong and demand that Bioware/EA pool their resources to give us free stuff. Compromising and offering to pay a small amount in order to justify them fixing our bad ending is just way beyond reasonable.

Get off your high horses, people. Making demands "for free" will earn us nothing. You already bought the product, and the suits already know that our threats of boycotting are almost guaranteed to be empty in the majority of the fan population. Instead, let's make more specific appeals for what we want, and how much we're actually willing to pay. Because, let's face it, if it happens we WILL have to pay for it. They can't possibly call in all the talent they need and not charge.

This.

Yes, we all know the DLC should be free in a perfect world. But we don't live in a perfect world. A DLC like a different ending will be a significant cost in resources as far as DLCs go (unless you want it to be yet another unsatisfying ending). So it is natural such an endevour can only be executed with funding, and funding will only come if profit will pay for it.

We can ask it to be of quality, we can ask that the price be fair, but we can't really ask it to be free. As much as we feel it should be. If people demand things they can't feasibiely pull off (remember, getting the VA's to do voice work is not cheap) then they won't be able to do anything.

Heck lets have a DLC on the table before we even start making price demands.

we live in the world we let them drag us into if we let them milk our money through screwing and making us pay to fix it then the world will be like that but if we make that practice unviable because we don't give them money if they try they won't do it

you guys seem to be missing the point this fight is bigger then just an ending to ME3 it's about the way the entire gaming industrie works and will evolve if we let them go this way they will certainly go this way

[Miphious]

EsterCloat wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

SentinelBorg wrote...
Some do: http://exophase.com/...t-free-upgrade/

 cdprojekt... i love you. first you give the finger to drm, then you bypass stupid censorship laws, and now this. 

That's just...I can't put it in words. I feel like going out and buying The Witcher 2 now. You know what? I'm going to go do that.

^ This. 

I kept being told I needed to play that game but never got to it. Now I see this is the company that WANTS my business. I shall give it to them then. 

[saracen16]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

DLC necessary
Free preferred

Indeed. DLC makes it optional. Some people liked the ending and the impact it had on them as well as the thought-provoking nature of it. To force someone else's ending would be to take it away from them.

And why not paid? BioWare already created the ending they wanted. Don't force them to give away something else for free if they think their ending is right. Then again, I don't really care about whether it's paid or not.

[granyte]

naes1984 wrote...

cjmarsh725 wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

It's already a longshot that they are going to fix the ending let alone for free. What is likely to happen is that they will simply hunker down and out wait us then announce some stupid unrelated DLC about Aria or Javik or Joker and the protests will start dying down. Companies can be very patient when they need to be. Their PR strategy is obvious; it is like the Reapers wearing the galaxy down through attrition.

While I would normally agree, there are pretty strong indiciations that the sales of other types of DLC might be impacted by the dissatisfaction over the ending. It may not be enough to have them drop everything and fix it but it might be enough for them to announce that a fix (or some kind of ending-related DLC) is in the works.

Yes, but can really all trust eachother to not buy additional mission-based DLC? It is very easy not to buy multiplayer map-packs. But if the DLC is specifically intended as fan service to deflect from criticsm it might be mighty tempting (Blasto DLC anyone?).

youtube is here for you if you really cannot resist the urge to see the content at this point the way EA treat his customer is so low that we should also be ready to go as low as they do

saracen16 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

DLC necessary
Free preferred

Indeed. DLC makes it optional. Some people liked the ending and the impact it had on them as well as the thought-provoking nature of it. To force someone else's ending would be to take it away from them.

And why not paid? BioWare already created the ending they wanted. Don't force them to give away something else for free if they think their ending is right. Then again, I don't really care about whether it's paid or not.

have you listned to the dlc 5 second it retroactivly made everything that happened in all 3 games not only irrelevant but also make no sence

Modifié par granyte, 19 mars 2012 - 09:49 .

[granyte]

double

Modifié par granyte, 19 mars 2012 - 09:32 .

[GothamLord]

granyte wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

cjmarsh725 wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

It's already a longshot that they are going to fix the ending let alone for free. What is likely to happen is that they will simply hunker down and out wait us then announce some stupid unrelated DLC about Aria or Javik or Joker and the protests will start dying down. Companies can be very patient when they need to be. Their PR strategy is obvious; it is like the Reapers wearing the galaxy down through attrition.

While I would normally agree, there are pretty strong indiciations that the sales of other types of DLC might be impacted by the dissatisfaction over the ending. It may not be enough to have them drop everything and fix it but it might be enough for them to announce that a fix (or some kind of ending-related DLC) is in the works.

Yes, but can really all trust eachother to not buy additional mission-based DLC? It is very easy not to buy multiplayer map-packs. But if the DLC is specifically intended as fan service to deflect from criticsm it might be mighty tempting (Blasto DLC anyone?).

the pirate bay is here for you if you really cannot try the dlc at this poin the way EA treat his customer is so low that we should also be ready to go as low as they do

Endorsing piracy completely invalidates any stance we would have as reasonable consumers with the right to demand a better product. 

Modifié par GothamLord, 19 mars 2012 - 09:34 .

[granyte]

GothamLord wrote...

granyte wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

cjmarsh725 wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

It's already a longshot that they are going to fix the ending let alone for free. What is likely to happen is that they will simply hunker down and out wait us then announce some stupid unrelated DLC about Aria or Javik or Joker and the protests will start dying down. Companies can be very patient when they need to be. Their PR strategy is obvious; it is like the Reapers wearing the galaxy down through attrition.

While I would normally agree, there are pretty strong indiciations that the sales of other types of DLC might be impacted by the dissatisfaction over the ending. It may not be enough to have them drop everything and fix it but it might be enough for them to announce that a fix (or some kind of ending-related DLC) is in the works.

Yes, but can really all trust eachother to not buy additional mission-based DLC? It is very easy not to buy multiplayer map-packs. But if the DLC is specifically intended as fan service to deflect from criticsm it might be mighty tempting (Blasto DLC anyone?).

the pirate bay is here for you if you really cannot try the dlc at this poin the way EA treat his customer is so low that we should also be ready to go as low as they do

Endoring piracy completely invalidates any stance we would have as resonable consumers with the right to demand a better product. 

sending an incomplete product and making false advertising about it should invalidate EA as a game publisher

i;m not endorsing piracy as a simple mean to steal some one else property but as a tool to get a message passed why not it does not have the same weight or implication but that might way off topic for this thread the main goal of that message was saying there are other way to get the content without paying (even some that are legal wich i strongly recoment you use)

Modifié par granyte, 19 mars 2012 - 09:38 .

[swn32]

 

naes1984 wrote...

You're either going to get paid DLC or nothing. That's reality. Sorry, but the entitlement culture is what infuriates me the most about gamers. Won't happen. The most we can hope for is to convince them that changing the endings is a profitable undertaking. They may just ignore us until the fury dies down but the idea that they will come out and say "Sorry guys, we totally screwed up so here's all this additional content for free" is ludicrous.

How fat was that EA paycheck?

Modifié par swn32, 19 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[TheRealMithril]

Piracy as a message doesn't work.

[granyte]

TheRealMithril wrote...

Piracy as a message doesn't work.

it worked for ubidrm and now i'm damn happy to shelve money for thier more recent game that are free from that plague


when a cracked product works better and with less hassle then a legit one is the limit where the original content creator should start to realize something went horibly wrong
hell i'm even tempted to get a crack to put on top of my actualy legal bought ME3 because the god damned 5 second i lose every time i go the the main menue because the game has to cheq for freaking dlc

but let's come back on topic i don't wanna not need to have this topic locked because piracy slipped in the heat of the discution

request to a mod if anything please don't lock the topic just clean it of the post about piracy




what i;m mainly trying to say is we stand for it to be free it will be free
while if we just go well you didn't make enough money already with 3 million copies sold( of an incomplete product sold with false advertising)here you go milk me more it's exactly what they are going to do

Modifié par granyte, 19 mars 2012 - 09:47 .

[naes1984]

GothamLord wrote...

granyte wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

cjmarsh725 wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

It's already a longshot that they are going to fix the ending let alone for free. What is likely to happen is that they will simply hunker down and out wait us then announce some stupid unrelated DLC about Aria or Javik or Joker and the protests will start dying down. Companies can be very patient when they need to be. Their PR strategy is obvious; it is like the Reapers wearing the galaxy down through attrition.

While I would normally agree, there are pretty strong indiciations that the sales of other types of DLC might be impacted by the dissatisfaction over the ending. It may not be enough to have them drop everything and fix it but it might be enough for them to announce that a fix (or some kind of ending-related DLC) is in the works.

Yes, but can really all trust eachother to not buy additional mission-based DLC? It is very easy not to buy multiplayer map-packs. But if the DLC is specifically intended as fan service to deflect from criticsm it might be mighty tempting (Blasto DLC anyone?).

the pirate bay is here for you if you really cannot try the dlc at this poin the way EA treat his customer is so low that we should also be ready to go as low as they do

Endorsing piracy completely invalidates any stance we would have as reasonable consumers with the right to demand a better product. 

Piracy is illegal. Making a bad ending is not. We are not entitled to do this. It is theft. Owners of IP can (and do) sue pirates successfully.

[GothamLord]

granyte wrote...

sending an incomplete product and making false advertising about it should invalidate EA as a game publisher

It had a ending. It was crap but it had an ending so it was a "complete" product.  False advertising and lies cant be denied.  By this we demand a fix.  They provide one I purchase it and forgive them their transgressions, though I pay more attention to any future purchases until they redeem themselves.  They don't fix the error well then they lose my continued business in the future forever.  Capitalism.  The people to blame for the ending fiasco are the writers and the exec heads that gave the nonsensical Godchild idea the green light.  The VAs, programmers, and all the other guys that do the real work and dont get far enough credit shouldnt be forced to work for free. They did what they were told to do.  I feel again if they do the work to give me a better ending I can shell out a few dollars.  

[TheRealMithril]

well I am against drm as well. It's a pointless exersize in futility. There are much better ways of making sure as many as possible buy a game. Like building a need for it, and keeping a fanbase happy.

[Blazingkats]

I hope it's free but if it isn't i'll just youtube the ending.Bioware is dead to me and i'm going to buy the witcher 2.

[Vergil_dgk]

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.

I'd like it if it was free but to be honest, I would be willing to pay. I wouldn't be super happy, but if it was good, 10 dollars would be a low price considering in order for the whole trilogy to become playable again. That's a one time thing, though, because I love Mass Effect. I'm not going to do it with any other game out there.

[Plaim]

GothamLord wrote...

granyte wrote...

sending an incomplete product and making false advertising about it should invalidate EA as a game publisher

It had a ending. It was crap but it had an ending so it was a "complete" product.  False advertising and lies cant be denied.  By this we demand a fix.  They provide one I purchase it and forgive them their transgressions, though I pay more attention to any future purchases until they redeem themselves.  They don't fix the error well then they lose my continued business in the future forever.  Capitalism.  The people to blame for the ending fiasco are the writers and the exec heads that gave the nonsensical Godchild idea the green light.  The VAs, programmers, and all the other guys that do the real work and dont get far enough credit shouldnt be forced to work for free. They did what they were told to do.  I feel again if they do the work to give me a better ending I can shell out a few dollars.  

I concur. Bioware is not some evil monster that purposefully set out to ****** off its fans. It's full of individual people who worked extremely hard on Mass Effect 3, and had nothing to do with the ending sucking. If the folks in charge actually listen to us and try to change the ending, then all of the employees should not have work for free due to the bad decisions of a few producers.

[MapleJar]

I care less than zero how much it would cost EA / Bioware to fix the ending of ME3. The point is that they shouldn't have done this in the first place. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who could possibly be at peace with how this ending plays out gets no respect from me. If Elvis himself showed up and said, "I love the ending, uh huh," he would get nothing but the Snake Plissken treatment from me. "I heard you were dead!"

I don't want anyone to work on fixing this for free. EA / Bioware should pay the people involved as they always do. They should do it, and eat the costs, because they dug this hole themselves. We didn't dig it for them!

I paid EA / Bioware to kick me in my junk with this ending; I'm not going to pay them again to make it up to me. They should be paying ME to make it up to me. Casey Hudson should call each and every one of us on the phone and personally apologize for this monstrosity that he allowed to occur under his watch. We all deserve at least that!

I'm not going to pay them to fix what they broke. If this were my fault, I'd own up to it for sure. I don't care about the fact that we don't live in a perfect world. I can't shake the feeling that they did this on purpose with the plan to charge us for a DLC ending from the get go. I don't put it past them to have already rendered / produced / recorded the voice overs / and paid the actors already as a part of the original production! I already paid them for that! Perhaps that makes me unreasonable, but it's how I feel. Whatever faith I had in Bioware has evaporated. I won't publicly condemn any of you who give in; everyone deserves the right to make up their own minds and live their own lives. I won't play any of the ME games ever again, zero DLC for me, unless they fix the ending for free.

That, and only that, in my opinion, can be referred to as Holding the Line.

Modifié par MapleJar, 19 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[granyte]

Vergil_dgk wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.

I'd like it if it was free but to be honest, I would be willing to pay. I wouldn't be super happy, but if it was good, 10 dollars would be a low price considering in order for the whole trilogy to become playable again. That's a one time thing, though, because I love Mass Effect. I'm not going to do it with any other game out there.

i just shelved 95$ for a collector edition and they would be asking from me that i shelve more money to actualy fulfill the point that made me buy this game aka not ending ABC phrase from casey

[swn32]

naes1984 wrote...

Piracy is illegal. Making a bad ending is not. We are not entitled to do this. It is theft. Owners of IP can (and do) sue pirates successfully.

[Endersgone]

staindgrey wrote...

Yes. This is exactly what we need to do.

When we've already bought the game and have just about zero leverage with which to make demands, we should stand strong and demand that Bioware/EA pool their resources to give us free stuff. Compromising and offering to pay a small amount in order to justify them fixing our bad ending is just way beyond reasonable.

Get off your high horses, people. Making demands "for free" will earn us nothing. You already bought the product, and the suits already know that our threats of boycotting are almost guaranteed to be empty in the majority of the fan population. Instead, let's make more specific appeals for what we want, and how much we're actually willing to pay. Because, let's face it, if it happens we WILL have to pay for it. They can't possibly call in all the talent they need and not charge.

Agreed