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[TheRealMithril]

GothamLord wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. BioWare KickStarter Program. for New Ending DLC. They can set an realistic production cost for programing, rehiring VAs, etc. If the fans all throw in 5 bucks a pop we automatically get a redemption code for it when its released along with maybe a bonus. Anyone else can buy it later on the market i they want it once its done. If people dont show them there is enough fan supporting willing to pay for it, BioWare can walk away cleanly saying "No" to the idea.

Tim Schafer and Double Fine just banked over 3 million dollars from their Kickstarter program. They were only asking for 400,000. Can you imagine the insane ending we would get if the ending DLC got that kind of extra support?

^^^^^^ This

[royceclemens]

I'm of two minds about all this.

If they think I will fork over for a bare minimum fix with just voice over and slides... Then they are sorely mistaken. As in Last-BioWare-Product-I'll-Ever-Buy mistaken.

But if they extend the game by an hour by giving me another couple of levels with more stuff to shoot at and more people to talk to, then hell yes I'll pay for it. I'd be happier than a pig in slop to do so.

[granyte]

http://social.biowar...ndex/10234992/1

this is the future of gaming enjoy

the employe are not the ones that will work for free the ones that actualy put unrealistic dead lines will have on the other hand to shelve from thier freaking fat profit

EA is not any were near on thier knees they just have cashed in from a hudge succes of a release now if they fix it as a side line like a patch and make the voice actor contract part of a dlc voice actor contract it would cost them near nothing to fix it then release the fix free

they could then proceede with seeling us any other mindless dlc with every one happy


also i will boycot them i started my EA boycot after the release of C&C3 and never paid for any other EA related game until ME3

also the boycot of C&C 4 was so strong it killed the franchise now we need to realise EA cannot keep killing it's franchise just for the sake of jacking the fans if we keep at it we could make the behemoth that EA has became bend and reclaim gaming

Modifié par granyte, 19 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[TheRealMithril]

Have you any idea how much this would cost? Salaries etc? This is not a free lunch.

[wulf3n]

naes1984 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

For those arguing that the game is "broken" and that's why it has to be free, please demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that the game is objectively broken. I want to see that...

Agreed . I wish I could explain to a court why Michael Bey's movies are fundamentally broken, but they're not; they're just bad.

It's not so much about "broken" as it is told things would/wouldn't be included that were.
http://social.biowar.../index/10056886

The difference between this and a Michael Bay movie is that mr bay has never claimed his movies to be anything other than they are.

Really it all boils down to wether or not you believe what's said in interviews can be held accountable for the final product, but honestly I don't really give a s**t anymore.

GothamLord wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. BioWare KickStarter Program. for New Ending DLC. They can set an realistic production cost for programing, rehiring VAs, etc. If the fans all throw in 5 bucks a pop we automatically get a redemption code for it when its released along with maybe a bonus. Anyone else can buy it later on the market i they want it once its done. If people dont show them there is enough fan supporting willing to pay for it, BioWare can walk away cleanly saying "No" to the idea. 

Tim Schafer and Double Fine just banked over 3 million dollars from their Kickstarter program. They were only asking for 400,000. Can you imagine the insane ending we would get if the ending DLC got that kind of extra support?

 

The question isn't wether it would, i have no doubt it would raise well above what double fine got, the question is wether is should!

[naes1984]

swn32 wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

swn32 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Why are we discussing piracy? That's just beyond retarded, I'm sorry but it is. 

Because some people do not understand the difference between software piracy and theft.

There is no substantive difference no matter how much you try to justify one or the other.

This topic has been debated to death and there are very good arguments on both sides. Although you may choose ignore them, I wont bother trying to justify as it would be going offtopic.

You and I are not the ones who suggested going to the pirate bay and downloading/pirating/stealing all future DLC if they don't give us a free new ending. I was merely responding to what I think is an unreaonable position. 

[granyte]

TheRealMithril wrote...

Have you any idea how much this would cost? Salaries etc? This is not a free lunch.

oh i do i do

considering they have 5 minutes of the game to fix it's about one week of work for the whole team EA's reserve won't die in the mean time

[TheRealMithril]

Ah yes, C&C4 I still don't touch that game. I was a beta tester there and I told them outright it would destroy the series.. (many of us in fact) .. but were ignored.

[Stegoceras]

If this happens Free Ending dlc would be awesome and show a lot of goodwill on Bioware's side, but I'm guessing 9 out of 10 that we are going to have to cough up some money to get it.

Can you be angry about that, yes you can. However they did give us an ending, a poor ending but an ending. So they already fulfilled their end of the deal. Charging us is understandable, not preferable but understandable.

What about the promises they made and broke?, you might ask. My answer is simple, open a random preview of any game that has recently been released and just see how often Developers say something about a feature that is either so poorly done it's pathetic or is is even completely absent from the final product, it happens a lot.

[Scitenik]

I'd rather pay if it meant we got something substantial. I can't imagine something that's patched in for free would have what everyone is looking for. I know people are angry and feel like we got gypped - we did. But expecting a corporation to fix it for free isn't really realistic. It sucks, and it's not right, but it's likely they'd charge for it.

Sadly, I'd be willing to pay, even though it would set a potentially dangerous precedent. I know a lot of people get angry just hearing others say they would pay and try to rebel against it, but it's true for me. What can I say? If I had any common sense, obviously I wouldn't have pre-ordered the N7 Collector's Edition after being disappointed by Dragon Age II.

[TheRealMithril]

granyte wrote...

TheRealMithril wrote...

Have you any idea how much this would cost? Salaries etc? This is not a free lunch.

oh i do i do

considering they have 5 minutes of the game to fix it's about one week of work for the whole team EA's reserve won't die in the mean time

I was actually answering the previous poster, but ok

[Lugaidster]

TheRealMithril wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. BioWare KickStarter Program. for New Ending DLC. They can set an realistic production cost for programing, rehiring VAs, etc. If the fans all throw in 5 bucks a pop we automatically get a redemption code for it when its released along with maybe a bonus. Anyone else can buy it later on the market i they want it once its done. If people dont show them there is enough fan supporting willing to pay for it, BioWare can walk away cleanly saying "No" to the idea.

Tim Schafer and Double Fine just banked over 3 million dollars from their Kickstarter program. They were only asking for 400,000. Can you imagine the insane ending we would get if the ending DLC got that kind of extra support?

^^^^^^ This

I'm going to put my back on this one as well!

[swn32]

Plaim wrote...

I know they won't be literally working for free, but creating the amount of new content that most of us want with zero chance of profit might well have negative effects on them in the future. $10 or whatever is really not a lot to ask.

$10 per copy, for just an ending is not a lot to ask? I paid $60 for a game that lasted for 20-24 hours per playthrough. But for just the ending $10 is justified?

[granyte]

TheRealMithril wrote...

Ah yes, C&C4 I still don't touch that game. I was a beta tester there and I told them outright it would destroy the series.. (many of us in fact) .. but were ignored.

i was a beta tester to i tryed to upload all the meme it generated to a FB group but the thread vanished no wonder why

[GreenDragon37]

 While I definitely agree in principle, I know that unfortunately, that's not how it works. I know that in the end, we will have to pay to get the ending the game truly deserved. Is it bull****? Yes. But, it's going to happen- if it happens.

[HaesoME3]

TheRealMithril wrote...

Have you any idea how much this would cost? Salaries etc? This is not a free lunch.

How much will it cost if them if all the people who feel like they didn't get what they deserved refuse to continue purchasing EA products?

This is a decision about money, if enough people refuse to give them money until they provide what they should have all along for free - they will do it, they're not stupid. Creating DLC for free won't eat into their current profits significantly, numerous ex fans telling all their friends not to buy EA products could very well cost them more, especially when you consider those same fans were the people who until recently were telling their friends to buy things like ME3 itself.

Short term it might cost them a bit, but long term screwing this up could very well cost them more.

[GothamLord]

wulf3n wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. BioWare KickStarter Program. for New Ending DLC. They can set an realistic production cost for programing, rehiring VAs, etc. If the fans all throw in 5 bucks a pop we automatically get a redemption code for it when its released along with maybe a bonus. Anyone else can buy it later on the market i they want it once its done. If people dont show them there is enough fan supporting willing to pay for it, BioWare can walk away cleanly saying "No" to the idea. 

Tim Schafer and Double Fine just banked over 3 million dollars from their Kickstarter program. They were only asking for 400,000. Can you imagine the insane ending we would get if the ending DLC got that kind of extra support?

 

The question isn't wether it would, i have no doubt it would raise well above what double fine got, the question is wether is should!

Damn straight it should get support.  We're speaking with our wallets in what we want.  Hell I think more companies should do game planning with things like it.  It lets companies know where there is profit to be made by presenting buyers with a planned product. They get enough fan support it shows to push forward with an idea to market.  They have their main costs covered and then can focus on profit with sales beyond the original backers. We're more likely to get what we want because its all laid out in front of us.  If we dont get what we asked for or we were promised we have a hell of a lot more ground to stand on for it to be corrected because it was all put out in black and white to start with. 

[jdgjordan]

OK dude now your just being stubborn You cant demand something and then expect nothing in return that's just being greedy and stupid. yes we were ripped off by the ending but if we want something better we have to make an agreement with them otherwise we seem like the big greedy corp. Just remember the only way we win is if both party's get something in return that way neither side will half ass it got it good.

Modifié par jdgjordan, 19 mars 2012 - 10:17 .

[Plaim]

HaesoME3 wrote...

Plaim wrote...

granyte wrote...

Plaim wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

granyte wrote...

sending an incomplete product and making false advertising about it should invalidate EA as a game publisher

It had a ending. It was crap but it had an ending so it was a "complete" product.  False advertising and lies cant be denied.  By this we demand a fix.  They provide one I purchase it and forgive them their transgressions, though I pay more attention to any future purchases until they redeem themselves.  They don't fix the error well then they lose my continued business in the future forever.  Capitalism.  The people to blame for the ending fiasco are the writers and the exec heads that gave the nonsensical Godchild idea the green light.  The VAs, programmers, and all the other guys that do the real work and dont get far enough credit shouldnt be forced to work for free. They did what they were told to do.  I feel again if they do the work to give me a better ending I can shell out a few dollars.  

I concur. Bioware is not some evil monster that purposefully set out to ****** off its fans. It's full of individual people who worked extremely hard on Mass Effect 3, and had nothing to do with the ending sucking. If the folks in charge actually listen to us and try to change the ending, then all of the employees should not have work for free due to the bad decisions of a few producers.

the employe are not the ones that will work for free the ones that actualy put unrealistic dead lines will have on the other hand to shelve from thier freaking fat profit

I know they won't be literally working for free, but creating the amount of new content that most of us want with zero chance of profit might well have negative effects on them in the future. $10 or whatever is really not a lot to ask.

It's not about the price, I could afford $100 for a new ending, that's not the issue - most of us that want free DLC could afford paid DLC - but the precedent it sets is unhealthy for the industry and I won't support. "Any time we make a mistake, we just fix it and charge them and they'll THANK us, printing money."

That is a good point, but I'd hope that the amount of fuss we've kicked up should at least make them think twice about that. 

I think Mass Effect 3 is kind of a special case in terms of emotional investment, and they only reason they'd fix the endings at all is because we're asking them to. No other existing video game series could even tempt me to shell out extra cash to change a problem with the story, personally, and I'd wager that a lot of other people feel the same way. I just don't think most  developers could get away paid fixes, even if Bioware releases one this time.

[Lugaidster]

wulf3n wrote...

naes1984 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

For those arguing that the game is "broken" and that's why it has to be free, please demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that the game is objectively broken. I want to see that...

Agreed . I wish I could explain to a court why Michael Bey's movies are fundamentally broken, but they're not; they're just bad.

It's not so much about "broken" as it is told things would/wouldn't be included that were.
http://social.biowar.../index/10056886

The difference between this and a Michael Bay movie is that mr bay has never claimed his movies to be anything other than they are.

Really it all boils down to wether or not you believe what's said in interviews can be held accountable for the final product, but honestly I don't really give a s**t anymore.

GothamLord wrote...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. BioWare KickStarter Program. for New Ending DLC. They can set an realistic production cost for programing, rehiring VAs, etc. If the fans all throw in 5 bucks a pop we automatically get a redemption code for it when its released along with maybe a bonus. Anyone else can buy it later on the market i they want it once its done. If people dont show them there is enough fan supporting willing to pay for it, BioWare can walk away cleanly saying "No" to the idea. 

Tim Schafer and Double Fine just banked over 3 million dollars from their Kickstarter program. They were only asking for 400,000. Can you imagine the insane ending we would get if the ending DLC got that kind of extra support?

 

The question isn't wether it would, i have no doubt it would raise well above what double fine got, the question is wether is should!

In regards to the interviews, I agree that they are somewhat misleading. However, you can't hold them accountable for what they said. It's a matter of interpretation. Because of that, the product in itself is complete and not broken. We are here asking for extra content, one that I'd like to see 1000 fold. But again, I'm not unreasonable. If I have to pay a small sum to get what I expected of the game, I will. 

I'm pretty sure, though, that if they go for some kind of paid DLC, it will contain gameplay elements. It would be stupid of them to put up static content only, there would be no incentive to buy it over watching it on youtube.

Anyhow, here's to solving this debacle in the best way possible that get's all parties what they wanted in the best possible terms for both. Cheers.

[HaesoME3]

jdgjordan wrote...

OK dude now your just being stubborn You cant demand something and then expect nothing in return that's just being greedy and stupid. yes we were ripped off by the ending but if we want something better we have to make an agreement with them otherwise we seem like the big greedy corp. Just remember the only way we win is if both party's get something in return that way neither side will half ass it got good.

They'll get people buying or not buying future products. Companies don't plan one quarter at a time, they plan to be here indefinitely, pissing on a large enough group of people isn't financially sound. Just depends on if the group is large enough, nothing more nothing less.

[granyte]

HaesoME3 wrote...

TheRealMithril wrote...

Have you any idea how much this would cost? Salaries etc? This is not a free lunch.

How much will it cost if them if all the people who feel like they didn't get what they deserved refuse to continue purchasing EA products?

This is a decision about money, if enough people refuse to give them money until they provide what they should have all along for free - they will do it, they're not stupid. Creating DLC for free won't eat into their current profits significantly, numerous ex fans telling all their friends not to buy EA products could very well cost them more, especially when you consider those same fans were the people who until recently were telling their friends to buy things like ME3 itself.

Short term it might cost them a bit, but long term screwing this up could very well cost them more.

this is what i'm trying to say we should not only try to hold the damn line but we should try to freaking push it we are the ones that shelve money ultimatly we are the ones that should decide if a product is worth it or not we should not just be begging the compagnie that makes billions.
We need to turn that trend of abusive milking they have been on for a while releasing poorer product faster and charging more for it we need to make that change and we have that occasion today to do so and all we have to do is say we won't pay for a fix to your mistake.Only that little act of keeping the money in your wallet and youtubing the ending could send a powerfull message to EA a mesage written in $ because it's the only message they understand.

befor we have to pay to reload we need to make that stand and push the line forward because we actualy care about gaming and we don;t wan it to just a be a damned milking system for some greedy CEO there are already enough way we get milked every day it's enough

[RinuCZ]

Production costs money. If it is going to have some quality, this is a truth twice. I wish to end the ME trilogy in satisfactory way and I am willing to pay for the effort. Saying something like that months ago would sound crazy to me but the situation is what is it now.

GothamLord wrote...
BioWare KickStarter Program. for New Ending DLC. They can set an realistic production cost for programing, rehiring VAs, etc. 

Sort of good idea. Although, by donating Double Fine I mainly expressed my support of the idea, here I wouldn't like to "pre-order" to get screwed again. I instantly went for ME3 CE after avoiding hard to read any preview/spoiler/etc. It was a wise thing to do to increase the experience but the finale made me cautiously wait and see.  Under different circumstances, I'd be all for that.

Modifié par RinuCZ, 19 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[gotthammer]

*points at CD Projekt RED's upcoming Witcher 2 Enhanced Edition FREE update for the PC*

That's how it's done, Bioware.
No Free 'Fix', no buy DLC.

[Plaim]

swn32 wrote...

Plaim wrote...

I know they won't be literally working for free, but creating the amount of new content that most of us want with zero chance of profit might well have negative effects on them in the future. $10 or whatever is really not a lot to ask.

$10 per copy, for just an ending is not a lot to ask? I paid $60 for a game that lasted for 20-24 hours per playthrough. But for just the ending $10 is justified?

You finished it in 20 hours? Impressive. I put 33 into my first playthrough alone. Also, "per playthrough". That implies you'll play it more than once, which is at least 40 hours, by your reckoning. Besides, the main reason I want a new ending is so I can play through the entire trilogy again without feeling like it's utterly pointless, which I think it worth another $10. I would obviously rather the DLC be free, but it's not the multi-coloured end of the galaxy if it isn't.