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[Lugaidster]

granyte wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

Asking Bioware to make it for free is absurd.

enjoy paying to reload your gun www.youtube.com/watch

World isn't black and white. They pull that **** and I'm jumping off the boat. 

[garf]

Lugaidster wrote...

Tregon wrote...

It is not money which is the issue, it is that I will not tolerate being treated as a bloody milking cow who is demande prime money for crap product and then MORE money in exchange for improving it into decent shape.

 

That ship sailed the moment DLC became an attractive business model.

Tregon wrote... 

If we go down that road, next we receive game which has no ending at all an you have to buy it! 

 

That's a whole different beast. People here that argue in favor of paid DLC actually do because the game had an ending. Not only that, it had an ending that a lot of people actually enjoyed (Whether they are the majority or not, is a different issue). If this game was universally acclaimed as incomplete or broken then yeah, they sure as hell have to provide either a free fix or a money return. That hasn't been established with ME3. So I'm sorry, you can demand it if you want, but it doesn't make it a reasonable demand.

Can we agree that a fix is required?

The exact nature of the fix and it's Cost (including a zero cost) to the consumer can be negotiated after they're bargaining in good faith. untill then They have given us:

Never... mind my mantra is in my sig.

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[Evanz]

granyte wrote...

http://social.biowar...ndex/10234992/1

this is the future of gaming enjoy

the employe are not the ones that will work for free the ones that actualy put unrealistic dead lines will have on the other hand to shelve from thier freaking fat profit

EA is not any were near on thier knees they just have cashed in from a hudge succes of a release now if they fix it as a side line like a patch and make the voice actor contract part of a dlc voice actor contract it would cost them near nothing to fix it then release the fix free

they could then proceede with seeling us any other mindless dlc with every one happy


also i will boycot them i started my EA boycot after the release of C&C3 and never paid for any other EA related game until ME3

also the boycot of C&C 4 was so strong it killed the franchise now we need to realise EA cannot keep killing it's franchise just for the sake of jacking the fans if we keep at it we could make the behemoth that EA has became bend and reclaim gaming

I hear you brother! If that will happen, I will owe you one!

[wulf3n]

Lugaidster wrote...

granyte wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

Asking Bioware to make it for free is absurd.

enjoy paying to reload your gun www.youtube.com/watch

World isn't black and white. They pull that **** and I'm jumping off the boat. 

Videos like that really do make me question wether this whole ending thing wasn't planned as a way to ensure people by dlc.

As if we needed another reason to hate EA

[Lugaidster]

Evanz wrote...

Plaim wrote...

I concur. Bioware is not some evil monster that purposefully set out to ****** off its fans. It's full of individual people who worked extremely hard on Mass Effect 3, and had nothing to do with the ending sucking. If the folks in charge actually listen to us and try to change the ending, then all of the employees should not have work for free due to the bad decisions of a few producers.

For free??? 3,5milions shipped copies for 50 $ each does not qualify as "working for free!"
even if half of that gets sold it will bring them over 100$ income.

Do you naively believe that people who would actually work 8h/day to create a better ending are paid like 200$ per hour? Of course not.

Be assured that a bonus cash has been given to all producers ater a successful sale. Probably for their "efforts" and "creativity".

I did worked in Game Dev, now I am about to go solo. I have seen how decisions that affect all players are made and seriously EA/Activision bussiness style is all about money vs time, not about people, fun, fanbase and long term profit.

PR of the companies are mostly people who are deluded and have no connection to the actual product being developed whatsoever, neither have a real knowledge of what the product offers and what are fans expectation.

No company hires a person to read through forums and do a research.
All they see is sale charts vs defining characteristics of the product.


So back to what You have said:
It is time for the consumers, gamers to finally vote with their money and take down the companies that do that crap. Enough of DRMs that make games unplayable, broken content, DLCs crafted out of what is already on game disc.

If any story writer makes such an ending as the one we got in ME3, he/she should retire from gamedev forever.
If any CEO/Producer approves such ending, he/she should retire from gamedev forever.

We should make the names of people who lied on purpose (yes, thats the case with ME3 here) be remebered in gaming community. As an example of failure.

And I think that the longer they wait the bigger the damage will get. In the end people will stop writing, but they will never forget. When their next product hits this silent wall of indifference, it will be probably too late to fix anything.

The problem with your premise is that there's a market for both mindsets. As long as there's demand for one, there'll be supply.

[VampireCommando]

It wont be free, not a chance, BioWare is a buisness first and formost, i imagine the amount of work, new VA and everything else that would have to be done would be alot. They would have to charge a certain fee just to cover their losses and break even. In a ideal world we would grt it for free, but this is the real world not fantasy and money means everything. Like i said about they would have to charge something just to avoid losses, even if BW did this and stood to make no profit people would still complain.

Whilst i admit they screwed up the ending, it was their entitlement to do so, now to fix that is going to cost them alot of money, money that in the current economic climate they probably cant afford to lose. You dont go and watch a film, complain about the ending and then expect them to make a sequal for free do you? Same here, so hoping for it to be free is clasping at straws. Dont get your hopes up as it is extremely unlikely that it will be free.

[Aiyie]

Grumpy-Mcfart wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.

given the resources that would go into fixing the ending. it is unreasonable to expect them to fix it and ask nothing in return

the only way they'd release it for free is if it was their intention all along for this to not be the true ending.

i kinda doubt thats the case.... if it was they'd have likely hinted at it a little more strongly than with just theories created from fan-based speculation citing in-game inconsistencies with the ending.

the game got rushed out the door due to pressure from EA.  the ending we got was the original intented ending.

any changes now will be due to fan feedback and will require additional resources that weren't allocated from the start...

real life business will demand that we pay for any additional content, including a better ending, in order to offset the cost of production.

bottom line... either you content yourself with the endings we got, or you pay for a better ending (assuming the publishing company even decides its fiscally wise to ask the developer to dedicate the resources to creating a retcon ending).

im all for "hold the line" but expecting anything for free is just wishful and deluded entitlement thinking.

[Lugaidster]

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

granyte wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

Asking Bioware to make it for free is absurd.

enjoy paying to reload your gun www.youtube.com/watch

World isn't black and white. They pull that **** and I'm jumping off the boat. 

Videos like that really do make me question wether this whole ending thing wasn't planned as a way to ensure people by dlc.

As if we needed another reason to hate EA

I look at it this way, they can only pull this stunt once. If they try it again on a future product, they'll get their asses handed with pitchforks and torches.

[crimzontearz]

I'm a sucker....I'll pay for it

[GothamLord]

Well also live in a very "instant gratification" society here in the States and a lot of other parts of the world. People want answers. I get that. The game didnt go global until four days ago. This backlash I think is beyond ANYTHING they planned for. Everyones nerves are shot to hell both with the upset community and the BioWare PR department that gets three insane yahoos screaming for every sane person with a logical complaint on the ending.

[wulf3n]

Lugaidster wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

granyte wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

Asking Bioware to make it for free is absurd.

enjoy paying to reload your gun www.youtube.com/watch

World isn't black and white. They pull that **** and I'm jumping off the boat. 

Videos like that really do make me question wether this whole ending thing wasn't planned as a way to ensure people by dlc.

As if we needed another reason to hate EA

I look at it this way, they can only pull this stunt once. If they try it again on a future product, they'll get their asses handed with pitchforks and torches.

I don't know given the response from just this thread alone, a lot of ppl don't seem to care  

[garf]

Snake91 wrote...

If are only 5 or 10 bucks that's not very much

Can we talk price after Bioware talks turkey? Until we unite on this, They may think were aren't strong enough to bring them to the negotiating table.

[granyte]

Lugaidster wrote...

Tregon wrote...

It is not money which is the issue, it is that I will not tolerate being treated as a bloody milking cow who is demande prime money for crap product and then MORE money in exchange for improving it into decent shape.

 

That ship sailed the moment DLC became an attractive business model.

Tregon wrote... 

If we go down that road, next we receive game which has no ending at all an you have to buy it! 

 

That's a whole different beast. People here that argue in favor of paid DLC actually do because the game had an ending. Not only that, it had an ending that a lot of people actually enjoyed (Whether they are the majority or not, is a different issue). If this game was universally acclaimed as incomplete or broken then yeah, they sure as hell have to provide either a free fix or a money return. That hasn't been established with ME3. So I'm sorry, you can demand it if you want, but it doesn't make it a reasonable demand.

if i made a purchase using casey hudson interview where he state there won't just be 3 endings i guess i didnot get the product i wanned to purchace
the one i wanned to purchace was ment to provide very varied ending what would complete the trilogie not invalidate what happened in me1 by saying that a starchild AI could just open the citadel relay all the time and then railroad me in a RGB choice about my favourite color

[Tsuker]

Those of you who think it will be a "cheap" end if its free, need to stop feeling bad for these big coarperations.
Even if they do make it free, the game has already made a huge profit covering all the years it took to develop, and you honestly think they will loose money if its free?
They give game patches for free and this "End patch", if it were to be created, is no diffrent then any other patch in my mind.

[Lord Morohtar]

The sad truth is in the end with so much dissapointment and discontent we will all end up buying a fixed ending if only to finish the series properly reguardless of the cost. The love we have for the series will demand action with our wallets. That said whether or not they actually do make such a dlc it is still up for debate since it would be difficult for a company to openly admit a mistake like this.

[granyte]

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

granyte wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

Asking Bioware to make it for free is absurd.

enjoy paying to reload your gun www.youtube.com/watch

World isn't black and white. They pull that **** and I'm jumping off the boat. 

Videos like that really do make me question wether this whole ending thing wasn't planned as a way to ensure people by dlc.

As if we needed another reason to hate EA

I look at it this way, they can only pull this stunt once. If they try it again on a future product, they'll get their asses handed with pitchforks and torches.

I don't know given the response from just this thread alone, a lot of ppl don't seem to care  

if we don;t set thier ass on fire right now for even thinking about it  they will do it again

[Hibernating]

garf wrote...

Can we agree that how much we pay and how much we get for what we pay is something that can be defered until they are actually bartering with us? Would you agree that they violated their promise (implied if not "legally" contractual) to us to offer closure, answers and choice? Is the hundreds of hours people have invested across the entire franchise? the word of mouth? The support vs. Fox news and their Debbie does Star Wars crusade... Mean nothing.

Regardless of what we may or may not be 'entitled to' Would you agree that their product was beneath their usual standards and flawed?

I found that the ending offered

No Closure
No Sense
No Future
and No Choices.

In return I offer them NO MONEY and NO SILENCE until they agree to 'fix' their failure.

What the fix entrails both in size resources and cost I'm willing to table until they are actually participating.

Would that make this cause more palatable to you?

And thats exactly what you should do if you are unhappy with their product, its how the markets operate. If in your opinion Bioware has done so much damage to this franchise that you love then as to be an unforgiable action then you should never buy another one of their products, rage to your friends and pass around word of mouth your experiences. Thats how the system is ment to work. Once you have made your purchace the developer owes you nothing if you have a working product, "invitations to buy" (ie advertising) are not legally binding.
No I didnt find the game to be below their usual standard, I felt the 35 hours was above and the last 5min was below, so it balanced out above.

[Lugaidster]

garf wrote...

Can we agree that a fix is required?

The exact nature of the fix and it's Cost (including a zero cost) to the consumer can be negotiated after they're bargaining in good faith.

Agreed 

[Tregon]

Lugaidster wrote...

That ship sailed the moment DLC became an attractive business model.

Not true. Most DLC are provided for good games to make them better.
Turning crap game into manageable is called patching.

Lugaidster  wrote... 

That's a whole different beast. People here that argue in favor of paid DLC actually do because the game had an ending. Not only that, it had an ending that a lot of people actually enjoyed (Whether they are the majority or not, is a different issue). If this game was universally acclaimed as incomplete or broken then yeah, they sure as hell have to provide either a free fix or a money return. That hasn't been established with ME3. So I'm sorry, you can demand it if you want, but it doesn't make it a reasonable demand.

Ending which did not meet ANY of the promises made by developers. As customer, I have right to demand proper product. And amount of people complaining and bad press received by EA/Bioware shows their ending was broken.

And sure, they can ignore us. But Bioware and EA live from our wallets. My strings are shut until they make amends, I recommend others to do the same thing and let everyone know exactly what kind of crud EA/Bioware released from their hands. They are not entitled to expect us to pay them for fixing their mess either.

[granyte]

Evanz wrote...

granyte wrote...

http://social.biowar...ndex/10234992/1

this is the future of gaming enjoy

the employe are not the ones that will work for free the ones that actualy put unrealistic dead lines will have on the other hand to shelve from thier freaking fat profit

EA is not any were near on thier knees they just have cashed in from a hudge succes of a release now if they fix it as a side line like a patch and make the voice actor contract part of a dlc voice actor contract it would cost them near nothing to fix it then release the fix free

they could then proceede with seeling us any other mindless dlc with every one happy


also i will boycot them i started my EA boycot after the release of C&C3 and never paid for any other EA related game until ME3

also the boycot of C&C 4 was so strong it killed the franchise now we need to realise EA cannot keep killing it's franchise just for the sake of jacking the fans if we keep at it we could make the behemoth that EA has became bend and reclaim gaming

I hear you brother! If that will happen, I will owe you one!

if this happen ill be there http://www.facebook....4/?notif_t=like saying i told you guys

[Aweus]

Please people. Be reasonable. Do you want some fix for this ending or not? We need to meet in the middle ground together with Bioware. If we expect them to be reasonable and compassionate we must also present same traits. Not just demand, demand and demand. We must maintain our resolve but keep it civil and reasonable. Only in this way we can truly hold the line.

[Madecologist]

I still think we are making stage 2 demands when stage 1 is not even finish yet. Stage 2 is will we pay for a DLC? Are you boycotting if it is a paid DLC? We are still at stage 1.

BW admits to nothing. The only acknowledge 'some' of our 'passionate' fans are upset. They haven't even placed the idea of a DLC on the table. We haven't gotton anything for stage 1, and we are already arguing about what stage 2 will be.

To use a military metaphor this time, we are debating how to storm the bunker when we are still 5 clicks from the frontline being supressed by artillery barrage. We are focusing a little a head of ourselves. We need to break the artillery shelling first before we consider bunker assualt tactics.

Basically we need to get them to place something on the table first.

[Tyrzun]

garf wrote...

Snake91 wrote...

If are only 5 or 10 bucks that's not very much

Can we talk price after Bioware talks turkey? Until we unite on this, They may think were aren't strong enough to bring them to the negotiating table.

They are right too.

You're willing to pay for what was promised before you bought it.

Both producers specifically promised to tie up all lose ends and there wouldn't be generic ending A, B, and C... each persons choices would shape their ending etc... word for word.  Has been posted many times.

NOW you think you are winning by paying for what was promised to be in the box?  You've already lost.  If they sell it to you or not give it to you.  You lost.  We all did.

Those willing to pay for an end are telling the gaming industry it's ok to not give us endings to games.  We'll pay for them extra.  So, your $59.99 games just became $75 games.  If you want endings.

I'm reallyn ot insulting you, but you seem desperate and they know it.  They have all the power.  Unless you stand up to this garbage NOW, it'll only keep getting worse.

Modifié par Tyrzun, 19 mars 2012 - 10:50 .