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[Lugaidster]

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

granyte wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

Asking Bioware to make it for free is absurd.

enjoy paying to reload your gun www.youtube.com/watch

World isn't black and white. They pull that **** and I'm jumping off the boat. 

Videos like that really do make me question wether this whole ending thing wasn't planned as a way to ensure people by dlc.

As if we needed another reason to hate EA

I look at it this way, they can only pull this stunt once. If they try it again on a future product, they'll get their asses handed with pitchforks and torches.

I don't know given the response from just this thread alone, a lot of ppl don't seem to care  

I think that you're misintepreting the people on this thread arguing that a paid DLC is not unreasonable. The game is not broken beyond reasonable doubt. If it were, we'd be in a trial. We consumers are demanding a more fiting ending, I agree with that request. I don't agree with the demand for it to be free, even if I'd prefer that, but I don't mind others doing it. What bothers me is that my stance is somehow seen as me not caring or wrong. 

[garf]

VampireCommando wrote...

It wont be free, not a chance, BioWare is a buisness first and formost, i imagine the amount of work, new VA and everything else that would have to be done would be alot. They would have to charge a certain fee just to cover their losses and break even. In a ideal world we would grt it for free, but this is the real world not fantasy and money means everything. Like i said about they would have to charge something just to avoid losses, even if BW did this and stood to make no profit people would still complain.

Whilst i admit they screwed up the ending, it was their entitlement to do so, now to fix that is going to cost them alot of money, money that in the current economic climate they probably cant afford to lose. You dont go and watch a film, complain about the ending and then expect them to make a sequal for free do you? Same here, so hoping for it to be free is clasping at straws. Dont get your hopes up as it is extremely unlikely that it will be free.

But how much money do they lose if the the sales of the game suddenly plateau? how much money do they lose on already created developed DLC ... if enough people do not buy it? enough to pay for a few minutes more cinematic and some varied text under a variety of in game footage? 

As for 'ethics', You shouldn't be able to promise something and then get away with not delivering it.

They gave us No Closure, No Sense, No Future, and No Choice...

I'm quite willing to give them No Peace until they sit down and bargain in good faith.

[Lugaidster]

Madecologist wrote...

I still think we are making stage 2 demands when stage 1 is not even finish yet. Stage 2 is will we pay for a DLC? Are you boycotting if it is a paid DLC? We are still at stage 1.

BW admits to nothing. The only acknowledge 'some' of our 'passionate' fans are upset. They haven't even placed the idea of a DLC on the table. We haven't gotton anything for stage 1, and we are already arguing about what stage 2 will be.

To use a military metaphor this time, we are debating how to storm the bunker when we are still 5 clicks from the frontline being supressed by artillery barrage. We are focusing a little a head of ourselves. We need to break the artillery shelling first before we consider bunker assualt tactics.

Basically we need to get them to place something on the table first.

Agreed!

[Computron2000]

HaesoME3 wrote...
They made the mistake of creating a terrible ending that was nothing like what they advertised - if the consumer has to pay for the developer to fix it's own mistakes, the consumer is being duped. Mass effect 3 deserves to die before it deserves to have more money thrown at it until they do right by us and provide a proper ending. I will not support bad business practices by paying for the ending. If they create a suitable ending and deliver it free of charge, I will then consider buying any DLC/new games from EA, until then I won't. Simple enough.

This guy just said what i wanted to say.

[Lord Morohtar]

Madecologist wrote...

I still think we are making stage 2 demands when stage 1 is not even finish yet. Stage 2 is will we pay for a DLC? Are you boycotting if it is a paid DLC? We are still at stage 1.

BW admits to nothing. The only acknowledge 'some' of our 'passionate' fans are upset. They haven't even placed the idea of a DLC on the table. We haven't gotton anything for stage 1, and we are already arguing about what stage 2 will be.

To use a military metaphor this time, we are debating how to storm the bunker when we are still 5 clicks from the frontline being supressed by artillery barrage. We are focusing a little a head of ourselves. We need to break the artillery shelling first before we consider bunker assualt tactics.

Basically we need to get them to place something on the table first.

Agreed. We have not even really got there attention. At the end of the day the best way to vote is to vote with your wallets, until your satisfied with the product, dont feed the machine any more money. They make it beacuse we will buy it and they will change it because having our buisness demands it.

[MrFob]

I have the same sentiments about DLC, especially in the sense of "pay for a better ending" but in the unique case of Mass Effect, I would make an exception.

[garf]

Lugaidster wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

granyte wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

Asking Bioware to make it for free is absurd.

enjoy paying to reload your gun www.youtube.com/watch

World isn't black and white. They pull that **** and I'm jumping off the boat. 

Videos like that really do make me question wether this whole ending thing wasn't planned as a way to ensure people by dlc.

As if we needed another reason to hate EA

I look at it this way, they can only pull this stunt once. If they try it again on a future product, they'll get their asses handed with pitchforks and torches.

I don't know given the response from just this thread alone, a lot of ppl don't seem to care  

I think that you're misintepreting the people on this thread arguing that a paid DLC is not unreasonable. The game is not broken beyond reasonable doubt. If it were, we'd be in a trial. We consumers are demanding a more fiting ending, I agree with that request. I don't agree with the demand for it to be free, even if I'd prefer that, but I don't mind others doing it. What bothers me is that my stance is somehow seen as me not caring or wrong. 

It's neither. it may even be valid.

But what I do think the stance has pottential to be is Divisive.
Likewise for those who are unwilling to compromise the other way.

I personally would like to see us stay united on what we CAN agree on. Namely that Bioware has to come to us and offer us something real. To make this headache go away.

Once we see what they're offering. We can argue about how much we are willing to pay for it. Does that sound like something we can all agree on?

[Lugaidster]

Computron2000 wrote...

HaesoME3 wrote...
They made the mistake of creating a terrible ending that was nothing like what they advertised - if the consumer has to pay for the developer to fix it's own mistakes, the consumer is being duped. Mass effect 3 deserves to die before it deserves to have more money thrown at it until they do right by us and provide a proper ending. I will not support bad business practices by paying for the ending. If they create a suitable ending and deliver it free of charge, I will then consider buying any DLC/new games from EA, until then I won't. Simple enough.

This guy just said what i wanted to say.

I wholeheartedly...




Disagree.

[pablosplinter]

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.

Well said OP.


You didn't provide a satisfactory product ......TAKE MY MONEY NOW!

Modifié par pablosplinter, 19 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[rejoicelife]

Everyone that is willing to pay 10$ or more for a new ending DLC should just write a letter to EA that says so.

Why the whole RetakeME3 movement if all you really want to do is throw money at EA? Just tell them there are thousands of desperate gamers out there who would love to pay for a new ending. EA will do the rest.

[Lugaidster]

garf wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

wulf3n wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

granyte wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

Asking Bioware to make it for free is absurd.

enjoy paying to reload your gun www.youtube.com/watch

World isn't black and white. They pull that **** and I'm jumping off the boat. 

Videos like that really do make me question wether this whole ending thing wasn't planned as a way to ensure people by dlc.

As if we needed another reason to hate EA

I look at it this way, they can only pull this stunt once. If they try it again on a future product, they'll get their asses handed with pitchforks and torches.

I don't know given the response from just this thread alone, a lot of ppl don't seem to care  

I think that you're misintepreting the people on this thread arguing that a paid DLC is not unreasonable. The game is not broken beyond reasonable doubt. If it were, we'd be in a trial. We consumers are demanding a more fiting ending, I agree with that request. I don't agree with the demand for it to be free, even if I'd prefer that, but I don't mind others doing it. What bothers me is that my stance is somehow seen as me not caring or wrong. 

It's neither. it may even be valid.

But what I do think the stance has pottential to be is Divisive.
Likewise for those who are unwilling to compromise the other way.

I personally would like to see us stay united on what we CAN agree on. Namely that Bioware has to come to us and offer us something real. To make this headache go away.

Once we see what they're offering. We can argue about how much we are willing to pay for it. Does that sound like something we can all agree on?

I've already stated that I agree 

Modifié par Lugaidster, 19 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[Hibernating]

garf wrote...

But how much money do they lose if the the sales of the game suddenly plateau? how much money do they lose on already created developed DLC ... if enough people do not buy it? enough to pay for a few minutes more cinematic and some varied text under a variety of in game footage? 

As for 'ethics', You shouldn't be able to promise something and then get away with not delivering it.

They gave us No Closure, No Sense, No Future, and No Choice...

I'm quite willing to give them No Peace until they sit down and bargain in good faith.

Argh! but dont you see that now if they come and "bargain in good faith" they are just caving into pressure, where if you did what the rest of the hold the line movement was doing, respectfully pointing out what was wrong and why, then bioware adding an option to fix the end becomes a favour to the fans.
Which do you think bioware would be more comfortable doing?!?

[garf]

Lord Morohtar wrote...

Madecologist wrote...

I still think we are making stage 2 demands when stage 1 is not even finish yet. Stage 2 is will we pay for a DLC? Are you boycotting if it is a paid DLC? We are still at stage 1.

BW admits to nothing. The only acknowledge 'some' of our 'passionate' fans are upset. They haven't even placed the idea of a DLC on the table. We haven't gotton anything for stage 1, and we are already arguing about what stage 2 will be.

To use a military metaphor this time, we are debating how to storm the bunker when we are still 5 clicks from the frontline being supressed by artillery barrage. We are focusing a little a head of ourselves. We need to break the artillery shelling first before we consider bunker assualt tactics.

Basically we need to get them to place something on the table first.

Agreed. We have not even really got there attention. At the end of the day the best way to vote is to vote with your wallets, until your satisfied with the product, dont feed the machine any more money. They make it beacuse we will buy it and they will change it because having our buisness demands it.

Exactly, Stay United, Stay on Message.

As long as we're offered.

No Closure
No Sense
No Relays
No Choice...

We give them No Surrender.

Hold the Line.

[wulf3n]

Lugaidster wrote...
I think that you're misintepreting the people on this thread arguing that a paid DLC is not unreasonable. The game is not broken beyond reasonable doubt. If it were, we'd be in a trial. We consumers are demanding a more fiting ending, I agree with that request. I don't agree with the demand for it to be free, even if I'd prefer that, but I don't mind others doing it. What bothers me is that my stance is somehow seen as me not caring or wrong. 

Even if the ending isn't "broken" it still shows EA/Bioware that they can make an ending that people hate so much, they will beg them for a fix.

I that comes to mind is someone at EA "we have you now!"

Modifié par wulf3n, 19 mars 2012 - 10:56 .

[gotthammer]

IMHO, all the people in this 'retake' movement thingy should ask for a FREE FIX/Update/whatever for the ending.
Anything else (e.g., "I'm willing to pay for an ending", etc.), to me, seems like trying to negotiate from a position of weakness and, thus, potentially setting up for failure.

Just my two cents.
And whoever bought the Witcher 2 'cause of the arguments here: enjoy! I'm really excited about the EE update.

[joe1852]

u people make me sick u complained about the day 1 DLC saying it should have been included in the game and u boycotted it buy not buying it and now u r willing to pay for an ending that should have already been in the game lol

[GothamLord]

If the 5 mins of utter tripe was smack dab in the middle of the game everyone would likely over look it without a second thought. Sadly the last 5 mins of idiocy was the ending. It doesnt invalidate most of the rest of the game was awesome. Yes it hurts the the series but we have to look at it from a business standpoint for this to really work. The game itself met a large number of claims by developers. The ending is the problem. The issue is the game did actually have a ending. We're not going to win the fight on the stance they lied even if I agree with it. We have to stand that the ending is illogical, goes against the game world's own canon and codex, and by doing so destroys the future profit for them of the entire franchise. No one is going to buy into ME4 with no Mass Relays, and no one is going to go for Pre-Relay destruction during Shepard's time without Shepard involved.

[Lugaidster]

rejoicelife wrote...

Everyone that is willing to pay 10$ or more for a new ending DLC should just write a letter to EA that says so.

Why the whole RetakeME3 movement if all you really want to do is throw money at EA? Just tell them there are thousands of desperate gamers out there who would love to pay for a new ending. EA will do the rest.

Because I believe that we should all unite our forces to get to the point of getting a better ending first. We can talk about price later. You'd rather see the movement divided?

[rma2110]

I would argue that free ending DLC would be a great opportunity to rebuild the trust between BioWare and the fans. BioWare has lost a great deal of goodwill and trust. This is goodwill that would last for years and no PR agency could get you. Plus, we'd all be a lot more likely to buy the next game they put out.

Modifié par rma2110, 19 mars 2012 - 10:59 .

[granyte]

originaly all i wanned is for people to stop waving thier wallet around make bioware feel like they need to regain your thrust to get more of your money

if you just go waiving your walled around it makes feel like if they just have to pull any kind of crap into a dlc and call it ending and then they just rubbed you of 10$ more bucks that they should never even have though about getting in the first place because they screwed something

[RedNanaki]

If we want something that's not half-assed we're going to have to pay for it. They should release it as free DLC, but realistically that's not going to happen.

I'd rather have the badass ending the series deserves, that I paid for, than some slapped together piece of crap that's almost as bad as what we've currently got. (Although looking at some fan-made edits of the ending... it would still be so much better.)

[swn32]

As much as i love the mass effect franchise, I will never support such business practices in good conscience.

Modifié par swn32, 19 mars 2012 - 11:00 .

[Lugaidster]

gotthammer wrote...

IMHO, all the people in this 'retake' movement thingy should ask for a FREE FIX/Update/whatever for the ending.
Anything else (e.g., "I'm willing to pay for an ending", etc.), to me, seems like trying to negotiate from a position of weakness and, thus, potentially setting up for failure.

We're are already in a position of "weakness" as you put it (though completely disagree). The only leverage we have is money or lack thereof. That means that if they commit to fixing it, it could be half assed just to shut us up. I'd rather see quality work. If you're argueing that the only thing that matters to them is the bottom line, then you have to make your proposition seem attractive. We are bargaining after all.

Modifié par Lugaidster, 19 mars 2012 - 11:00 .

[Erethrian]

Grumpy-Mcfart wrote...

granyte wrote...

The ending need to be fixed for free just look at the amount of plot holes the actual ending created.
these plot holes need to be fixed for free now if they wanna add some dlc content after the plot holes have been fixed fine for them.

but we need to stop setteling for crap if we bow down and buy a DLC only to fix what they broke we are basicaly saying it's alright put out crap and then have me pay so you fix what you did wrong.

given the resources that would go into fixing the ending. it is unreasonable to expect them to fix it and ask nothing in return

This, plus I will pay if they give me the end ME deserves.

[Mvin]

I want them to fix it properly. I gladly give them 10 bucks for it if the result is everything we hoped for. For this one time, I honestly don't care the morals or the consequences. I. Just. Want. My. Ending.