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#1
nullobject

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...I can't believe you still refuse to face the truth of this.

Let me help you.

Let's just ignore all the evidence and hints contained throughout the game, there are plenty of threads and videos about that; let's just use simple logic to look at the situation from a writing and corporate culture perspective.

How can you actually think that the same writing team responsible for the great character interaction and mid game quests in this game could also be the team responsible for a totally broken finale? Since when have Bioware made games with that kind of extreme variation in writing quality?

Where do you get the idea that Bioware would deliberately put a stupid, infuriating, and lore-violating ending on a game from one of their most popular franchises, and seriously think it was a good idea? In fact, where do you get the idea that Bioware would be anything but ultra-careful with a best selling franchise?

We know what Bioware writers are capable of, and they've never made a game before where we get hints throughout the game of the final reveal, but when we get there it is disappointing and laughable. Why would they start doing that now?

Surely you can't believe that a company with the talented employees that produced the story and gameplay of titles like Mass Effect 1, KOTOR, Baldurs Gate 2 and Dragon Age could seriously make this kind of mistake?

Clearly Bioware intended the Indoctrination ending all along, it is the simplest explanation. The "Final Hours" stuff is deliberately misleading, they just fed Jeff Keighley false information to help maintain the illusion. For now they are just patiently enduring the bad press and potential sales losses from the ending, as they know that the wave of relief and gratitude from the fans when they make the big reveal will make it all worth it.

Modifié par nullobject, 19 mars 2012 - 01:44 .


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"you touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding".

IT: My theory is more realistic. They really cut the indoc. ending, but forgot to change the whole game consequently. So we have lots of hints of Indoctrination because we develop along the paths they desire.
The problem is convincing them that this indoctrination theory is pure gold and an elegant solution to the ending debacle.

Modifié par Silasqtx, 19 mars 2012 - 09:05 .


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Hudathan

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Just because the endings aren't what they seem doesn't mean that indoctrination theory is automatically true. It will remain a theory until Bioware confirms or denies it.

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ohbobsagetpiss

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Indoctrination theory is fanfiction.

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EsterCloat

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Lots of speculation, people. Lots of speculation.

Modifié par EsterCloat, 19 mars 2012 - 09:03 .


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joiner87

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Thank you, I also find it hard to believe that a team like Boiware who have outdone themselves time and time again could really come up with this ending

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There is at least a possibility that the rush to reach a deadline could result in the unsatisfying ending with which we've all become so well acquainted.

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This is what I hope.

But right now it's a waiting game.

Modifié par wtbusername, 19 mars 2012 - 09:04 .


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Liquoid

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The reality is, all the newcomers to ME franchise are simply to arrogant to even fathom the possibility of losing their Shepards to indoctrination.

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If:
-pressure from EA happened
-they had to meet a deadline
-someone at the top decides to get more 'deep' and 'symbolic'

Yes, I think the ending could be fubared.

But also yes, I believe somewhat strongly in IndocTheory. ;)

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Why would their game not have the proper ending then... why would they save it for a patch that is just as bad. Or worse, if they are going to charge you for the actual ending.

Also what is the narrative point of that entire dream sequence, joker running away, the epilogue with stargazer, the whole confrontation with TIM. All that **** was just meaningless filler?

And why would Harbinger try to indoctrinate Shepard, why not finish him off with a final blast of his laser?


None of it adds up. Fact is Bioware screwed up with the ending, no-one knows how they screwed it up, but they did. Don't let cognitive dissonance cloud your judgement. The only way we are going to get an ending this series deserves is if we all beg for it.

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Reptilian Rob

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+1

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I would be relieved if it was indoc, I just don't think it was, I think it was bad writing.

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Liquoid

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The guy who claimed that the rubble in "Shepard Lives" cutscene is actually not concrete really serves as the best example of ignorance and denial.

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Reptilian Rob

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Nobody is getting this guys troll?

Click his links!

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 19 mars 2012 - 09:06 .


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Adsinjapan

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I feel....indoctrinated from this post....

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ohbobsagetpiss

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OhManTFE wrote...

Why would their game not have the proper ending then... why would they save it for a patch that is just as bad. Or worse, if they are going to charge you for the actual ending.

Also what is the narrative point of that entire dream sequence, joker running away, the epilogue with stargazer, the whole confrontation with TIM. All that **** was just meaningless filler?

And why would Harbinger try to indoctrinate Shepard, why not finish him off with a final blast of his laser?


None of it adds up. Fact is Bioware screwed up with the ending, no-one knows how they screwed it up, but they did. Don't let cognitive dissonance cloud your judgement. The only way we are going to get an ending this series deserves is if we all beg for it.


It's a sad coping mechanism. 

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D Wrecks

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Oh my. Either no one actually read the first post or that red herring was unbearably stinky.

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Liquoid wrote...

The reality is, all the newcomers to ME franchise are simply to arrogant to even fathom the possibility of losing their Shepards to indoctrination.


This is also true. There are many players who don't have a familiarity with:

-the indoctrination coverage and info of ME1, nor the hints of greater things on the topic from Saren, Benezia, and Sovereign
-the misc info of ME2
-Arrival, which may turn out to be far more important than previously believed

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Nobody is getting this guys troll?

Click his links!


Seriously, did no one else get this? lol

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Militarized

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I hope you apologize to me if it turns out to not be true. ;)

Modifié par Militarized, 19 mars 2012 - 09:07 .


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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Nobody is getting this guys troll?

Click his links!


Well played. :P

#23
Umbrellamage

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I see what you did there OP. Quite subtle, Bravo.

#24
Claym0re

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Indoctrination theory is sound and I like it. Sadly its a well known fact by now that the ending we got was intentional.

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Nobody is getting this guys troll?

Click his links!


...I've been preaching to the choir.