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[Liquoid]

shadey wrote...

i'll tell you why. indoc. theory isn't possible

having shep. wake up after he was hit by harbringer and him just imagine the end answers nothing, this was the last in the series. They aren't going to write an ending that would need a whole other game to answer.

There is no official word that ME3 DLC won't have single player missions.

[Adsinjapan]

Axolotl Shepard wrote...

Nevermind, I get it.

Do ya see what you're doing nullobject? 

lol

[nullobject]

Axolotl Shepard wrote...

nullobject wrote...

...I can't believe your small minds still refuse to face the truth of this.

Belittling people isn't the best way to get them on your side.

Really? Maybe the time for civility has passed. This is serious business, after all. Maybe we have reached a point where only a stubborn refusal to take a dispassionate look at the evidence could explain people continuing to hold a certain idea.

[Qutayba]

nullobject wrote...

...I can't believe your small minds still refuse to face the truth of this.

Let me help you.

Yes, the Indoctrination Theory occurred to me while I was first playing the game before I even came to the forums, so I DO understand the idea.  From a narrative point of view, it makes perfect sense.

Why I'm reluctant to embrace it is because it would mean BioWare deliberately gambled their reputations, fan loyalty, and profit on a clever, but cheesy publicity stunt.  Not that they could have predicted this big of an outcry, but they could have predicted some backlash.  It's reckless.

Still, I WANT to believe, but am too cyncical about the business to do so.

Modifié par Qutayba, 19 mars 2012 - 09:27 .

[Iwillbeback]

Umbrellamage wrote...

I see what you did there OP. Quite subtle, Bravo.

Was it really?
While you were posting I was clicking and reading the links obviously judging from the tone we knew what it was about.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The way the game hit the stores was the worst. You got home and you started playing it. It got you all worked up then just when it had you going, it let you down.

The ending had upper management written all over it. "You know you really should do something Deus Ex here. I really liked that game when it came out."
"But Deus Ex Human Revolution just was out a couple months ago."
"I know. I loved that game. We need to do one except instead of in different rooms, let's do ours in different colors, and I really liked the original JC Denton ending of the original best."
"Sigh. You're sure about this. Have you heard the words 'fan sh*t storm' before? They're already not too happy about the multi-player. And there's only about two months before our deadline. We've got the original partly done."
"But can you make the deadline with the original ending?"
"We could actually use another couple of months to do it right since you put the multi-player requirement into the game."
"No deal. We need to get this out by March 6. That's what we've told the magazines. EA does not push back dates. Who do you think we are? Bethesda? Just get it done and cut what ever you need to cut."
"Yes sir."

So we ended up with the mess we have now. And now fans of the series, bless their little hearts, are suffering from PTSD trying to make sense out of the ending by coming up with this stupid inane Indoctrination Theory so they can justify the sh**ty ending. See my signature for clarification. I'm not indoctrinated. I chose the red pill.

[svnhf]

I can see the points made by the "Indoctrination Theory". However, I refuse to believe that that is the actual explanation to the ending because, despite hints dropped throughout the game, the various and very convincing arguments made for the theory, it is such an unbelievably cheap way out. If the theory is what was intended, it is very well-written and thought out but it is no way a satisfying or sensible ending to this series. That is my take on it.

A polished turd is still a turd, after all.

Modifié par svnhf, 19 mars 2012 - 09:29 .

[The Lightspeaker]

OP has been indoctrinated...or is carrying out indoctrination I can't tell which.

For those who don't get it, look at the links.

[Charlieblacko]

nullobject wrote...

...I can't believe your small minds still refuse to face the truth of this.

Let me help you.

Let's just ignore all the evidence and hints contained throughout the game, there are plenty of threads and videos about that; let's just use simple logic to look at the situation from a writing and corporate culture perspective.

How can you actually think that the same writing team responsible for the great character interaction and mid game quests in this game could also be the team responsible for a totally broken finale? Since when have Bioware made games with that kind of extreme variation in writing quality?

Where do you get the idea that Bioware would deliberately put a stupid, infuriating, and lore-violating ending on a game from one of their most popular franchises, and seriously think it was a good idea? In fact, where do you get the idea that Bioware would be anything but ultra-careful with a best selling franchise?

We know what Bioware writers are capable of, and they've never made a game before where we get hints throughout the game of the final reveal, but when we get there it is disappointing and laughable. Why would they start doing that now?

Surely you can't beleive that a company with the talented employees that produced the story and gameplay of titles like Mass Effect 1, KOTOR, Baldurs Gate 2 and Dragon Age could seriously make this kind of mistake?

Clearly Bioware intended the Indoctrination ending all along, it is the simplest explanation. The "Final Hours" stuff is deliberately misleading, they just fed Jeff Keighley false information to help maintain the illusion. For now they are just patiently enduring enduring the bad press and potential sales losses from the ending, as they know that the wave of relief and gratitude from the fans when they make the big reveal will make it all worth it.

I'm glad to see someone else shares the same view on this as I do... I've been trying to get this exact point across to people. Its as clear as black and white and yet people fail to realise this. Once they do pull this off, I can't wait to see the aftermath. One of the biggest stunts in gaming history and we will all be a part of it.

[Captain Shakespeare]

...Once again, trolled.

[Umbrellamage]

Iwillbeback wrote...

Umbrellamage wrote...

I see what you did there OP. Quite subtle, Bravo.

Was it really?
While you were posting I was clicking and reading the links obviously judging from the tone we knew what it was about.

It was subtle enough to take at least half the posts in the first two pages for a ride.

[Omilophile]

Hudathan wrote...

Just because the endings aren't what they seem doesn't mean that indoctrination theory is automatically true. It will remain a theory until Bioware confirms or denies it.

This. I'm all for the Indoctrination ending, but if we're gonna do this, we have to do it right. Real proof please.

[Liquoid]

Omilophile wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

Just because the endings aren't what they seem doesn't mean that indoctrination theory is automatically true. It will remain a theory until Bioware confirms or denies it.

This. I'm all for the Indoctrination ending, but if we're gonna do this, we have to do it right. Real proof please.

Please explain why "Shepard Lives" cutscene is only available to those Shepards who chose "Destroy" option.

[nullobject]

Umbrellamage wrote...

It was subtle enough to take at least half the posts in the first two pages for a ride.

It wounds me to have my motives questioned so.

Clearly the denizens of this forum have a problem with cynicism. 

[Captain Shakespeare]

...Because the other two show him being disintegrated in visceral detail?

[Reptilian Rob]

Captain Shakespeare wrote...

...Because the other two show him being disintegrated in visceral detail?

This.

Plus the destroy option is the only one where he/she wakes up.

[nullobject]

Omilophile wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

Just because the endings aren't what they seem doesn't mean that indoctrination theory is automatically true. It will remain a theory until Bioware confirms or denies it.

This. I'm all for the Indoctrination ending, but if we're gonna do this, we have to do it right. Real proof please.

Did you read the OP? I thought I laid it out very clearly.

[DraCZeQQ]

It's so cute how some people still believe that current Bioware under EA is the same Bioware that created Baldur's Gate =)

[nullobject]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

It's so cute how some people still believe that current Bioware under EA is the same Bioware that created Baldur's Gate =)

Like I said, this forum has a major problem with cynicism. Denial may comfort some, but the truth is plain.

[Omilophile]

SwobyJ wrote...


Evidence is all over the friggin place. There's dozens of threads on it, and very useful videos.

Now PROOF? That won't be until there is some major leak or Bioware admits to something.

Most of the "evidence" I've seen only applies if you work backwards from the presupposition that Shepard is indoctrinated, instead of coming to that conclusion based on the evidence. The whole thing is just everyone grasping at straws that kind sorta make it seem vaguely possible for Shepard to be indoctrinated if you combine all the "facts" and wish really hard.

Believe me, I'm with you guys, but if we want credibility, we have to do this right.

[Bowie Hawkins]

nullobject wrote...

...I can't believe your small minds still refuse to face the truth of this.

When you begin with the assumption that the only reason why somebody could possibly disagree with you is because they're stupid, you wind up drawing conclusions that are at least as wrong, if not worse. Just sayin'.

[Omilophile]

nullobject wrote...

Did you read the OP? I thought I laid it out very clearly.

You're a genius.

[Captain Shakespeare]

...How many times has it been said now?

[nullobject]

Bowie Hawkins wrote...

nullobject wrote...

...I can't believe your small minds still refuse to face the truth of this.

When you begin with the assumption that the only reason why somebody could possibly disagree with you is because they're stupid, you wind up drawing conclusions that are at least as wrong, if not worse. Just sayin'.

I refer you to my reply to Axolotl