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[Paragon Auducan]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Rogue Eagle wrote...

It would also explain why Shepard was forced to shoot Anderson.

This was explained in game and doesn't need indoc. theory ...

Doesn't explain Shepard recieiving the wound himself, Indoc DOES.

he didnt recieve that wound, he was wounded all along from the Harbinger beam in the knee earlier ... and Bioware just reused animation ...

No, he walks to the Citadel holding the wrong side for one, he gets shot in the SHOULDER by Marauder Shields. He's not bleeding profusely.

He then shoots Anderson, as soon as he does he reacts in pain and holds the exact spot he shot Anderson in. He then begins bleeding profusely.

[Quietness]

I had no opinion one way or the other about this until last night when it was proven wrong when bioware stated there was "no plans on an ending DLC" before suddenly deleting this comment. This basically states that either an employee decided to be tooo honest or hadn't received the update. Either way no follow-up meaning the end is as we see it and without Indoc.

[nullobject]

Trephinate wrote...

personally i think the only logical - most rational - explanation is that the mass effect series is a prequel to dragon age: that once the reapers were destroyed, the remaining races returned to earth to form the primordial elements of what then become what we see in origins etc. while many fail to acclimatise to the new atmosphere, leaked element zero transforms the resilient survivors and fuels mages with biotic power. for example, the volus, protected by their suits, become the dwarves insulated from biotic powers; elcor undergo metamorphosis from the weakened gravity and become ogres; the turians become the militant qunari; and the quarians, finally freed from their suits, become the mabari. the krogan, however, ditch their armoured plating move into the forrests where the game is a more thrilling hunt, and become the lithe elves. not quite destroyed reaper devices shower the earth from orbit, and without the guidance and benevolent leadership of the starchild, the resulting indoctrinated - or 'darkspawn' as the post-diluvian cultures refer to them - continue an aimless war of annihilation against all organics.

OK, I give up. I know when I am beat.

That single paragraph provided more amusement than the whole of this thread, which has occupied me on and off for a few hours.

[Gunslinger01101]

nullobject wrote...

...I can't believe your small minds still refuse to face the truth of this.

Let me help you.

Let's just ignore all the evidence and hints contained throughout the game, there are plenty of threads and videos about that; let's just use simple logic to look at the situation from a writing and corporate culture perspective.

How can you actually think that the same writing team responsible for the great character interaction and mid game quests in this game could also be the team responsible for a totally broken finale? Since when have Bioware made games with that kind of extreme variation in writing quality?

Where do you get the idea that Bioware would deliberately put a stupid, infuriating, and lore-violating ending on a game from one of their most popular franchises, and seriously think it was a good idea? In fact, where do you get the idea that Bioware would be anything but ultra-careful with a best selling franchise?

We know what Bioware writers are capable of, and they've never made a game before where we get hints throughout the game of the final reveal, but when we get there it is disappointing and laughable. Why would they start doing that now?

Surely you can't beleive that a company with the talented employees that produced the story and gameplay of titles like Mass Effect 1, KOTOR, Baldurs Gate 2 and Dragon Age could seriously make this kind of mistake?

Clearly Bioware intended the Indoctrination ending all along, it is the simplest explanation. The "Final Hours" stuff is deliberately misleading, they just fed Jeff Keighley false information to help maintain the illusion. For now they are just patiently enduring enduring the bad press and potential sales losses from the ending, as they know that the wave of relief and gratitude from the fans when they make the big reveal will make it all worth it.

I see what you did thar...does anyone else?

...Here's why you're wrong: DA2 was terrible from the start. 'Nuff said.

[Abram730]

social.bioware - - > trolls be here

[MrIllusion]

RLesueur wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

He freaking winces and holds the wound AS SOON AS HE SHOOTS the SAME spot on Anderson.

No he doesn't, lol.

Anderson does.



From  2:45 minutes. He doesn't even flinch.

Just look at 8:37.

Brilliant use of "let's save art assets by showing Shepard bleed instead of Anderson".

[Paragon Auducan]

Also 8:37 clearly shows you something, it's a lingering scene and shown for a reason. It's his hand bloodied where he shot Anderson on his own body JUST as Anderson dies.

He then begins to fall asleep only to be woken up by Hackett. Anderson his will to resist dies, Shepard is about to fall under then his will takes the form of Hackett's voice.

Modifié par Paragon Auducan, 19 mars 2012 - 12:51 .

[nullobject]

Gunslinger01101 wrote...

I see what you did thar...does anyone else?

Congratulations on gaining N7 status

...Here's why you're wrong: DA2 was terrible from the start. 'Nuff said.

The start and the end having issues is not the same as all of it having issues. I think the two games have a fair bit in common in this regard (though DA2 really exceeds ME3 in certain categories)

Modifié par nullobject, 19 mars 2012 - 01:02 .

[Killer3000ad]

Until Bioware actually announces they are going with this theory, it's still false IMO. The fact of the matter is, Bioware were actually content with the current endings and thought everyone would roll with space magic. Clearly they didn't expect this.

No, I don't believe they've even written an idea for using the Indoc theory as they didn't count on the current backlash. The INdoc theory just happened to fit right in. Bioware I believe would be idiots not to use it to dig themselves out of the whole they've written themselves into.

[RLesueur]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Also 8:37 clearly shows you something, it's a lingering scene and shown for a reason. It's his hand bloodied where he shot Anderson on his own body JUST as Anderson dies.

That's just him realising he's badly injured and doesn't have long.

Give it up, indoctrination is nonsense.

[Paragon Auducan]

RLesueur wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Also 8:37 clearly shows you something, it's a lingering scene and shown for a reason. It's his hand bloodied where he shot Anderson on his own body JUST as Anderson dies.

That's just him realising he's badly injured and doesn't have long.

Give it up, indoctrination is nonsense.

He was NEVER shot there, that's where Anderson was shot

[RLesueur]

Paragon Auducan wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Also 8:37 clearly shows you something, it's a lingering scene and shown for a reason. It's his hand bloodied where he shot Anderson on his own body JUST as Anderson dies.

That's just him realising he's badly injured and doesn't have long.

Give it up, indoctrination is nonsense.

He was NEVER shot there, that's where Anderson was shot

He was hit by a giant death laser! He was shot everywhere!

[Captain Shakespeare]

RLesueur wrote...

He was hit by a giant death laser! He was shot everywhere!

Truth.

[jkflipflopDAO]

A) It's just fans grabbing at induction ports to make sense of a horrible, horrible mindraping at the hands of those they trusted the most.

B)Lets say IT is 100% true. You're just dreaming. That means the game hasn't ended. The reapers are still reaping, the fleet is still fighting, and someone still needs to get their ass up to the station and open the arms for the crucible.

That means you just paid $60 for a game with no real ending, and you're going to have to pay another $10-$15 to see the true conclusion of the series. Feel better now?

Modifié par jkflipflopDAO, 19 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[Paragon Auducan]

RLesueur wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Also 8:37 clearly shows you something, it's a lingering scene and shown for a reason. It's his hand bloodied where he shot Anderson on his own body JUST as Anderson dies.

That's just him realising he's badly injured and doesn't have long.

Give it up, indoctrination is nonsense.

He was NEVER shot there, that's where Anderson was shot

He was hit by a giant death laser! He was shot everywhere!

That's bull****, for one it hit in front of him, he was just blown back. Secondly if he was hit he would be dead or at least be COVERED in holes. But no he has one hole and it appears when he shoots Anderson in the same place.

[MrIllusion]

RLesueur wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

RLesueur wrote...

Paragon Auducan wrote...

Also 8:37 clearly shows you something, it's a lingering scene and shown for a reason. It's his hand bloodied where he shot Anderson on his own body JUST as Anderson dies.

That's just him realising he's badly injured and doesn't have long.

Give it up, indoctrination is nonsense.

He was NEVER shot there, that's where Anderson was shot

He was hit by a giant death laser! He was shot everywhere!

And Anderson was never shot at all?

Or do you have a theory for that, seeing as how opposed you are to theories.

Modifié par MrIllusion, 19 mars 2012 - 12:55 .

[arthurhallam]

ohbobsagetpiss wrote...

Indoctrination theory is fanfiction.

The whole frigging game is fanfiction.

[RLesueur]

MrIllusion wrote...

And Anderson was never shot at all?

Or do you have a theory for that, seeing as how opposed you are to theories.

Anderson died...from the bullet wound...where Shepard shot him...

[Paragon Auducan]

Indoctrination Theory is a piecing of the puzzle NOT fan fic. Fanfic would be for us to write the aftermath.

[MrIllusion]

RLesueur wrote...

MrIllusion wrote...

And Anderson was never shot at all?

Or do you have a theory for that, seeing as how opposed you are to theories.

Anderson died...from the bullet wound...where Shepard shot him...

And this bullet wound was shown where exactly?

[Paragon Auducan]

RLesueur wrote...

MrIllusion wrote...

And Anderson was never shot at all?

Or do you have a theory for that, seeing as how opposed you are to theories.

Anderson died...from the bullet wound...where Shepard shot him...

That's strange, last I checked Shepard was bleeding out of his wound. Anderson didn't have a scratch.

[nullobject]

arthurhallam wrote...

ohbobsagetpiss wrote...

Indoctrination theory is fanfiction.

The whole frigging game is fanfiction.

Oh come on, is this truly accurate given Bioware's recent writing record?

[RLesueur]

MrIllusion wrote...

And this bullet wound was shown where exactly?

Hey you're right. They never showed any Reapers on Palavan but they did show Reapers on Earth...obviously Earth was indoctrinated too!

[sargon1986]

nullobject wrote...

...I can't believe your small minds still refuse to face the truth of this.

Let me help you.

Let's just ignore all the evidence and hints contained throughout the game, there are plenty of threads and videos about that; let's just use simple logic to look at the situation from a writing and corporate culture perspective.

How can you actually think that the same writing team responsible for the great character interaction and mid game quests in this game could also be the team responsible for a totally broken finale? Since when have Bioware made games with that kind of extreme variation in writing quality?

Where do you get the idea that Bioware would deliberately put a stupid, infuriating, and lore-violating ending on a game from one of their most popular franchises, and seriously think it was a good idea? In fact, where do you get the idea that Bioware would be anything but ultra-careful with a best selling franchise?

We know what Bioware writers are capable of, and they've never made a game before where we get hints throughout the game of the final reveal, but when we get there it is disappointing and laughable. Why would they start doing that now?

Surely you can't beleive that a company with the talented employees that produced the story and gameplay of titles like Mass Effect 1, KOTOR, Baldurs Gate 2 and Dragon Age could seriously make this kind of mistake?

Clearly Bioware intended the Indoctrination ending all along, it is the simplest explanation. The "Final Hours" stuff is deliberately misleading, they just fed Jeff Keighley false information to help maintain the illusion. For now they are just patiently enduring enduring the bad press and potential sales losses from the ending, as they know that the wave of relief and gratitude from the fans when they make the big reveal will make it all worth it.

I totally agree with you and support indoctrination theory.

[CRISIS1717]

Indoctrination supporters are clutching at Emergency Induction Ports.