RLesueur wrote...
MrIllusion wrote...
And this bullet wound was shown where exactly?
Hey you're right. They never showed any Reapers on Palavan but they did show Reapers on Earth...obviously Earth was indoctrinated too!
RLesueur wrote...
MrIllusion wrote...
And this bullet wound was shown where exactly?
Hey you're right. They never showed any Reapers on Palavan but they did show Reapers on Earth...obviously Earth was indoctrinated too!
Modifié par MrIllusion, 19 mars 2012 - 01:04 .
Paragon Auducan wrote...
RLesueur wrote...
Paragon Auducan wrote...
Also 8:37 clearly shows you something, it's a lingering scene and shown for a reason. It's his hand bloodied where he shot Anderson on his own body JUST as Anderson dies.
That's just him realising he's badly injured and doesn't have long.
Give it up, indoctrination is nonsense.
He was NEVER shot there, that's where Anderson was shot
Paragon Auducan wrote...
This makes ZERO sense.
For one we see Palaven in fire, we see Anderson perfectly healthy.
RLesueur wrote...
Last I checked dead people are not considered to be in perfect health.
RLesueur wrote...
Paragon Auducan wrote...
This makes ZERO sense.
For one we see Palaven in fire, we see Anderson perfectly healthy.
Your whole argument makes zero sense. They showed Anderson being shot, clutching his side and -dying-.
Last I checked dead people are not considered to be in perfect health.
nullobject wrote...
RLesueur wrote...
Last I checked dead people are not considered to be in perfect health.
Clearly you did not play Dragon Age 2 after defiling the urn.
Paragon Auducan wrote...
They show him shot, then magically he has no bullet hole and no blood. Shepard has said bullet hole and is leaking blood so much he has to crawl to the elevator.
Paragon Auducan wrote...
RLesueur wrote...
Paragon Auducan wrote...
This makes ZERO sense.
For one we see Palaven in fire, we see Anderson perfectly healthy.
Your whole argument makes zero sense. They showed Anderson being shot, clutching his side and -dying-.
Last I checked dead people are not considered to be in perfect health.
They show him shot, then magically he has no bullet hole and no blood. Shepard has said bullet hole and is leaking blood so much he has to crawl to the elevator.
RLesueur wrote...
Paragon Auducan wrote...
They show him shot, then magically he has no bullet hole and no blood. Shepard has said bullet hole and is leaking blood so much he has to crawl to the elevator.
I shot a lot people in the game and left no bullet holes and no blood.
nullobject wrote...
...I can't believe your small minds still refuse to face the truth of this.
Let me help you.
Let's just ignore all the evidence and hints contained throughout the game, there are plenty of threads and videos about that; let's just use simple logic to look at the situation from a writing and corporate culture perspective.
How can you actually think that the same writing team responsible for the great character interaction and mid game quests in this game could also be the team responsible for a totally broken finale? Since when have Bioware made games with that kind of extreme variation in writing quality?
Where do you get the idea that Bioware would deliberately put a stupid, infuriating, and lore-violating ending on a game from one of their most popular franchises, and seriously think it was a good idea? In fact, where do you get the idea that Bioware would be anything but ultra-careful with a best selling franchise?
We know what Bioware writers are capable of, and they've never made a game before where we get hints throughout the game of the final reveal, but when we get there it is disappointing and laughable. Why would they start doing that now?
Surely you can't beleive that a company with the talented employees that produced the story and gameplay of titles like Mass Effect 1, KOTOR, Baldurs Gate 2 and Dragon Age could seriously make this kind of mistake?
Clearly Bioware intended the Indoctrination ending all along, it is the simplest explanation. The "Final Hours" stuff is deliberately misleading, they just fed Jeff Keighley false information to help maintain the illusion. For now they are just patiently enduring enduring the bad press and potential sales losses from the ending, as they know that the wave of relief and gratitude from the fans when they make the big reveal will make it all worth it.
nullobject wrote...
...I can't believe your small minds still refuse to face the truth of this.
Let me help you.
Let's just ignore all the evidence and hints contained throughout the game, there are plenty of threads and videos about that; let's just use simple logic to look at the situation from a writing and corporate culture perspective.
How can you actually think that the same writing team responsible for the great character interaction and mid game quests in this game could also be the team responsible for a totally broken finale? Since when have Bioware made games with that kind of extreme variation in writing quality?
Where do you get the idea that Bioware would deliberately put a stupid, infuriating, and lore-violating ending on a game from one of their most popular franchises, and seriously think it was a good idea? In fact, where do you get the idea that Bioware would be anything but ultra-careful with a best selling franchise?
We know what Bioware writers are capable of, and they've never made a game before where we get hints throughout the game of the final reveal, but when we get there it is disappointing and laughable. Why would they start doing that now?
Surely you can't beleive that a company with the talented employees that produced the story and gameplay of titles like Mass Effect 1, KOTOR, Baldurs Gate 2 and Dragon Age could seriously make this kind of mistake?
Clearly Bioware intended the Indoctrination ending all along, it is the simplest explanation. The "Final Hours" stuff is deliberately misleading, they just fed Jeff Keighley false information to help maintain the illusion. For now they are just patiently enduring enduring the bad press and potential sales losses from the ending, as they know that the wave of relief and gratitude from the fans when they make the big reveal will make it all worth it.
Paragon Auducan wrote...
RLesueur wrote...
Paragon Auducan wrote...
This makes ZERO sense.
For one we see Palaven in fire, we see Anderson perfectly healthy.
Your whole argument makes zero sense. They showed Anderson being shot, clutching his side and -dying-.
Last I checked dead people are not considered to be in perfect health.
They show him shot, then magically he has no bullet hole and no blood. Shepard has said bullet hole and is leaking blood so much he has to crawl to the elevator.
Well wrote...
nullobject wrote...
...I can't believe your small minds still refuse to face the truth of this.
Let me help you.
Let's just ignore all the evidence and hints contained throughout the game, there are plenty of threads and videos about that; let's just use simple logic to look at the situation from a writing and corporate culture perspective.
How can you actually think that the same writing team responsible for the great character interaction and mid game quests in this game could also be the team responsible for a totally broken finale? Since when have Bioware made games with that kind of extreme variation in writing quality?
Where do you get the idea that Bioware would deliberately put a stupid, infuriating, and lore-violating ending on a game from one of their most popular franchises, and seriously think it was a good idea? In fact, where do you get the idea that Bioware would be anything but ultra-careful with a best selling franchise?
We know what Bioware writers are capable of, and they've never made a game before where we get hints throughout the game of the final reveal, but when we get there it is disappointing and laughable. Why would they start doing that now?
Surely you can't beleive that a company with the talented employees that produced the story and gameplay of titles like Mass Effect 1, KOTOR, Baldurs Gate 2 and Dragon Age could seriously make this kind of mistake?
Clearly Bioware intended the Indoctrination ending all along, it is the simplest explanation. The "Final Hours" stuff is deliberately misleading, they just fed Jeff Keighley false information to help maintain the illusion. For now they are just patiently enduring enduring the bad press and potential sales losses from the ending, as they know that the wave of relief and gratitude from the fans when they make the big reveal will make it all worth it.
".I can't believe your small minds still refuse to face the truth of this."
Actually your attacking people who have a different opinion negates the "Let me help you" .Thanks but no thanks.
Capeo wrote...
"We are aware that there are concerns about a recent post from this account regarding the ending of the game. In this post it was stated that at this time we do not have plans to change the ending.
We would like to clarify that we are actively and seriously taking all player feedback into consideration and have ruled nothing out. At this time we are still collecting and considering your feedback and have not made a decision regarding requests to change the ending."
From the Bioware FB page. Get over it conspiracy theorists. These are the endings they always intended. They originally stated that they aren't changing the endings then did a little PR backtracking but their intent is clear. The reason the endings match everything that has been leaked and everything in the app is because these are the real endings.
Capeo wrote...
Capeo wrote...
"We are aware that there are concerns about a recent post from this account regarding the ending of the game. In this post it was stated that at this time we do not have plans to change the ending.
We would like to clarify that we are actively and seriously taking all player feedback into consideration and have ruled nothing out. At this time we are still collecting and considering your feedback and have not made a decision regarding requests to change the ending."
From the Bioware FB page. Get over it conspiracy theorists. These are the endings they always intended. They originally stated that they aren't changing the endings then did a little PR backtracking but their intent is clear. The reason the endings match everything that has been leaked and everything in the app is because these are the real endings.
I'm just going to quote myself so in the conspiracy theorists actually read this. These are the endings they intend. When this was posted without the caveat last night the BSN exploded and tons of threads were getting locked down. They added this caveat but the truth is clear. These are the endings BW intended.
Promchek wrote...
It's not the first time such things happen, there are bad movies, where people have found a reason and meaning, behind some totally random things.
Modifié par nullobject, 19 mars 2012 - 01:32 .
Grand Wazoo wrote...
This here is the problem. People believe Bioware are immortal gods of game writing. They are not.
Grand Wazoo wrote...
This here is the problem. People believe Bioware are immortal gods of game writing. They are not. It is starting to look more like a situation with a husband and wife where the husband beats his wife and the wife goes like "Oh , but he doesn't really mean it!".
Yes, terrible analogy. I am sorry.
Anyways, the indoctrination theory is not something that Bioware planned from the beginning, it is an interesting piece of fanfiction, nothing else and that's the bottom line.
CRISIS1717 wrote...
Indoctrination supporters are clutching at Emergency Induction Ports.
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