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[Tocquevillain]

Joccaren wrote...

Armass81 wrote...
I elaborated on this already, you cut the root of the cancer out, you dont just destroy the cancer when it appears. Catalyst AI thinks this is more efficient, and it is. It doesnt care what civilization is alive, tough it does "preserve" them through horrible means, its main purpose is to ensure there is continuation of life in the galaxy. If AI's ever grow powerful enough, nothing would be able to stop them, not even the reapers. They would consume everything, all resources, all life would be destroyed. Forever.

By that logic ALL organic life in the galaxy should be harvested and turned into Reapers straight up as it is the most efficient way of ensuring Organics never make synthetics whilst keeping Organic life in the galaxy.
If the Reaper's let the synthetics get too strong, they're doing something wrong. It wouldn't even matter if they played world police, and allowed only civilian ships - any military ships would be destroyed outright - and constantly watched for synthetics whilst ruling with an Iron fist. That would make more sense logically, and it would actually let Organics live as opposed to get farmed (Seriously, that is pretty much what Reapers are doing).

Not if the Reapers want organic life besides themselves to exist in the galaxy.

[Tocquevillain]

Yttrian wrote...

Using synthetics to kill you, so you don't get killed by synthetics.

Preserving organic life for no logical reason by killing the best of it regardless of circumstance.

The difference being, one group of synthetics could potentially kill every living thing in the galaxy, leaving only dead stuff and machines, and the other kills advanced life so simple life can evolve and live for 50k years.

So, really, that picture is so simplified to the point it's a caricature of what actually happens.

Modifié par Tocquevillain, 20 mars 2012 - 06:53 .

[Tocquevillain]

Hy0ga wrote...

EVERY SINGLE TIME a story tries to tell something "beyond human comprehensions" it fails. And will always be that way. Whoever wrote it is human ... you can see where i'm going with this.

You can, however, say that something is beyond human comprehension and leave that way. We can accept that. It's like watching a David Lynch's movie; I utterly fail finding logic in the story, but I love to try. Even tough I always find holes in my theories. It's fun to have your mind boggled.

Sovereign is mocking our selfishness and desire to live. On a basic level, we're greedy, we create things to make us wealthy, which leads to technological advances, which leads (in ME) to AI that can kill and that's why the Reapers believe they're needed. We are not programmed to be ok with keeling over and dying like ants protecting the queen ant.

So really, ti's not that hard to run with "beyond human comprehension" and actually have a good reason.

Modifié par Tocquevillain, 20 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[TheRealMithril]

I think the biggest mistake BioWare did was even to try and explain the reapers to begin with. Their writers seem to have forgotten that evil doesn't need to be explained, in fact it would ruin the magic. It would have been so much better if the alliance managed to chase the reapers away (for the first time in history) with the very real possibility of them coming back later. They are such an attractive foe that I wonder what BioWare was thinking. They had a golden setup and to ruin it like this is simply astonishing.

If (and do mean if) the game continues with Shepard waking up in the rubble of London, right after the blast (which I think it should) Then they are set up in a golden position again. The reapers would then still not be explained (nor should BioWare try to) and the purpose of the Crucible would also still be in the dark. Then we as a community could brainstorm on what the Crucible really does and give some feedback on that to BioWare. And if BioWare are being honest about them listening, then they should closely consider that feedback.

[Hy0ga]

Indeed. It does make sense. But the simple fact that I can comprehend this logic, even if I do not agree with it (in this case "not programmed to be ok with keeling over and dying like ants protecting the queen ant"), is my point.

Maybe it's against human behavior or nature, but it's not something we can't comprehend.

[Joccaren]

Tocquevillain wrote...
Not if the Reapers want organic life besides themselves to exist in the galaxy.

Apparently they don't want this though, as its not efficient. If they wanted Organic life besides themselves to exist, they'd let it exist and stop synthetics instead.

[TheRealMithril]

This is a solution

Modifié par TheRealMithril, 20 mars 2012 - 09:54 .

[Lionel Ou]

Joccaren wrote...

Tocquevillain wrote...
Not if the Reapers want organic life besides themselves to exist in the galaxy.

Apparently they don't want this though, as its not efficient. If they wanted Organic life besides themselves to exist, they'd let it exist and stop synthetics instead.

Let's not forget that every time they reap a species, they remove biomass from the galaxy. Give it enough time and all biomass in the galaxy would be locked up in reaper form. Would it take an unimaginable long time? Yes. Reapers are timeless and eternal by their own words. They are slowly and surely exterminating organics from the universe.