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[Candidate 88766]

Syrellaris wrote...

I have come to the conclusion that is the theory behind the ending. There is simply to much evidence and facts to state otherwise. The story ain't finished yet and I am gonne wait for the ending that I am sure is soon to come more shepard against!

Stargazer : "Tell me a nother story of the shepard!"

You honestly believe that Bioware would leave the concluding part of the ME trilogy unfinished?

[Jaze55]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Grusome11 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

I still haven't heard anything about what happens to Shepard after the Indoc?

So what happens after does he:

Go insane
Become no longer able to take care of himself
kill himself
have a freind kill him
gets locked in a psych ward
turn into a husk

because according to the games laws and mechanics these are the only possible outcomes.

SO, what one do we have to look forward to for our beloved Shepard?

He is not indoctrinated if you choose the destroy option. Otherwise he is indoctrinated. I don't know what happens after he is indoctrinated, they don't give us any info.

If he's not indoctrinated, then why is he hallucinating?

Indoctrination causes permanent changes to the subject's mind. This cannot be undone with willpower.

Go find in this thread, and I put it twice about when you start the game and the PSYCOLOGICAL PROFILE 

Its clearly explains Shep has PTSD right there, which is why he is having NIGHTMARES not Indoc dreams. 

edit- and you are right it IS permanant which makes this theory even more abysmal. 

HUSK Shepard in ME4

Modifié par MassEffected555, 19 mars 2012 - 06:49 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Btw, has anyone explain how Shepard is alive on Earth yet after the Destroy ending beyond the bs claim of space magic?

Yes, Shepard is on Earth. The rubble is composed of concrete and rebar. You see a shelving unit in the background. The patterns on the more intact concrete faces match the facades of the buildings near the beam zone.

There was no return portal towards the beam, Shepard is knocked back by an explosion that should have killed him after his severe injuries. The script makes no mention of how Shepard lives. His synthetics keeping him alive would be destroyed, thus what is probably keeping him alive are gone and Shepard should be dead.

If that can be explained, beyond fan-service, crap writing, and space magic which are useless conjecture (if you can call it that), than IT can be buried and forgotten unless BioWare wishes to use it to please people.

[Candidate 88766]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Grusome11 wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

I still haven't heard anything about what happens to Shepard after the Indoc?

So what happens after does he:

Go insane
Become no longer able to take care of himself
kill himself
have a freind kill him
gets locked in a psych ward
turn into a husk

because according to the games laws and mechanics these are the only possible outcomes.

SO, what one do we have to look forward to for our beloved Shepard?

He is not indoctrinated if you choose the destroy option. Otherwise he is indoctrinated. I don't know what happens after he is indoctrinated, they don't give us any info.

If he's not indoctrinated, then why is he hallucinating?

Indoctrination causes permanent changes to the subject's mind. This cannot be undone with willpower.

Go find in this thread, and I put it twice about when you start the game and the PSYCOLOGICAL PROFILE 

Its clearly explains Shep has PTSD right there, which is why he is having NIGHTMARES not Indoc dreams. 

Dude, I agree with you.

I'm just trying to persuade the guy I quoted.

[ArkkAngel007]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Where does it say anywhere Benezia's indoc was more forceful?

Just a suspicion based on how she was trapped in her mind...it goes along with how Grayson was indoctrinated, which was through force.  Saren and TIM weren't even aware until (for Saren) at the very end.

Modifié par ArkkAngel007, 19 mars 2012 - 06:52 .

[Grusome11]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

You know, for all you people who come in here talking about how this theory is false and that we're overthinking or whatever.

You have a lot of nerve to request new endings with the "Retake" movement when here we are, giving people an out to make the endings better, a reason if you will, and what do you do? You deny that it's even possible! So you hate the endings, but when someone tries to make sense of them to make them better, you STILL hate them?!

I don't get it, do you just hate BioWare in general or what?

The theory doesn't make them better.

There are still lots of holes in the theory (both in lore and logic) and they all to the same outcome - no matter what, Shepard has been indoctrinated. Even in the perfect destroy ending, Shepard's mind has been permanently changed by the indoctrination.

Those of us that want it changed want it changed to something better than the original endings, not something thats even bleaker and still has holes in it.

Please point out the holes in indoc theory, because I don't think you have. There are some things that are not explained, but IT is the best explanation so far for huge plot holes I see if the star child is telling the truth. The most obvious one being "I created synthetics to kill you to prevent you from being killed by synthetics."

And again, if Shepard is able to resist Reaper indoc why would his mind be changed? He resisted it. He may or may not be changed by resisting, but is not plausible that he can function long enough to save the galaxy?

[Candidate 88766]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Btw, has anyone explain how Shepard is alive on Earth yet after the Destroy ending beyond the bs claim of space magic?

Yes, Shepard is on Earth. The rubble is composed of concrete and rebar. You see a shelving unit in the background. The patterns on the more intact concrete faces match the facades of the buildings near the beam zone.

There was no return portal towards the beam, Shepard is knocked back by an explosion that should have killed him after his severe injuries. The script makes no mention of how Shepard lives. His synthetics keeping him alive would be destroyed, thus what is probably keeping him alive are gone and Shepard should be dead.

If that can be explained, beyond fan-service, crap writing, and space magic which are useless conjecture (if you can call it that), than IT can be buried and forgotten unless BioWare wishes to use it to please people.

The scene doesn't support the indoc theory any more than it supports the real endings.

The area near the beam zone is virtually devoid of rubble, and is bathed in a blue glow. Yet when Shepard wakes up, vast piles of rubble have appeared and the blue glow of the Conduit is gone. If he's in the same place, then the rubble has appeared form nowhere and the Conduit has been turned off and therefore Shepard has no way of reaching the Citadel. If he was moved by either allies or enemies, they would be around him and wouldn't leave him on (and partically beneath) a random pile of rubble. Which means he was either thrown a long way by the blast (despite no-one else being thrown by the blasts of the laser) or he is still hallucinating.

Whichever way you cut it, the Shepard waking up scene is a plothole in both the actual endings and this theory.

[Fingertrip]

The evidence of the CM teasing about the Indoctrination being real should be sufficient, really. And with the fact Shepard wakes up in London after achieving the best EMS score in order to get that ending. Piles of evidence to support Indoctrination is all over, and yet the rejection is for people who cannot fathom such simplicity in lore transitioning into actual the game. That's like you're reading a book, but you never took the liberty to understand the actual story. The vaste difference of understanding, and just reading. The indoctrination was introduced in the first game, and was introduced in the second, and is present still in the third. How it occurs, and to whom it occurs to and why is pretty clear. Shepard is the ultimate victim, and Bioware had more planned on this, but removed the aspect of being completely out of control- > because it's not a fun gameplay mechanic to begin with, and this is true in all genres of game when you're not in control of what your character is doing.

@MassEffected555, you've got no idea what you're talking about, and it seems you're relatively new to the franchise. I'd recommend reading through the Mass Effect Codex to learn more in-depth about Indoctrination for starters. Shepard has been consistantly been renowned for having "remarkbly strong mind" (Stated by Liara in ME1, if you ever played it?) and it's possible that Shepard has been able to fend off Indoctrination attempts up until the very point where he is close-to mortally wounded, and that's when the ultimate trial of either succeed or fail begings. This is all very simple stuff, and Bioware is probably baffled over how simple the community is, they probably expected more of their consumers. :-)

[Jaze55]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Btw, has anyone explain how Shepard is alive on Earth yet after the Destroy ending beyond the bs claim of space magic?

Yes, Shepard is on Earth. The rubble is composed of concrete and rebar. You see a shelving unit in the background. The patterns on the more intact concrete faces match the facades of the buildings near the beam zone.

There was no return portal towards the beam, Shepard is knocked back by an explosion that should have killed him after his severe injuries. The script makes no mention of how Shepard lives. His synthetics keeping him alive would be destroyed, thus what is probably keeping him alive are gone and Shepard should be dead.

If that can be explained, beyond fan-service, crap writing, and space magic which are useless conjecture (if you can call it that), than IT can be buried and forgotten unless BioWare wishes to use it to please people.

Dude you don't KNOW where that was. It could have been a throw back to the ending of ME 1 like the music was. 

You are GUESSING it was Earth. Prove to me, like you want this theory de proven, by having a Blizzard official tell me it was earth, Untill then you are just guessing like I am that it wasnt earth and it was the citadel. 

Or using in game stuff. the Citadel has a mass effect field. Shep was caught in a mass effect field which would bring his mass to zero so when he hit the ground it was with no force allowing him to survive.

Mass effect fields[/b] are created through the use of element zero. Element zero can increase or decrease the mass content of space-time when subjected to an electrical current via dark energy. With a positive current, mass is increased. With a negative current, mass is decreased. The stronger the current, the greater the magnitude of the dark energy mass effect. 

[Midnight Eternal]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

I have no problem with people believing it. Hell, I'm using my imagination to ignore the sequence with the Catalyst child, and the Normandy crash, so I don't begrudge people doing the same.

I do have a problem with people parading the theory around as fact though.

With this I agree, I said this waaaaaaaaay earlier this morning like around page 4 or 5 of this thread or something, but as of right now, only the creator's know what they intended, what their "vision" was.  Speculation is one thing, mass hysteria is quite another XD

[Ricvenart]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

This is a quote from Bioware:

"We are aware that there are concerns about a recent post from this account regarding the ending of the game. In this post it was stated that at this time we do not have plans to change the ending.

We would like to clarify that we are actively and seriously taking all player feedback into consideration and have ruled nothing out. At this time we are still collecting and considering your feedback and have not made a decision regarding requests to change the ending.

Your feedback and opinions are of the utmost importance to us. We apologize for any confusion this has caused. Our top priority regarding this discussion is to keep communication with you, our loyal fans, open and productive."

It doesn't get much plainer than that. The endings are what they are. There was no planned continuation - Bioware never left ME3 on a cliffhanger to finish it later. The consider the endings to be what they are, and are still deciding whether to change them. Not on whether to continue them, but whether to change them. The endings are the endings of the story, not this cliffhanger that the theory relies on them being.

There are no plans to continue the story. The believed the endings of ME3 to be just that - the endings. And now they are deciding whether to change them.

Just no, if you are going to quote plain facts then how about you use them.

"Have not made"
First off, this says nothing, it's not a thesus of thier plans past and future. Stop reading more into then there is just to tell people they are wrong.
"Change"
Probably said about 500 times in this thread and more in others, the Indoctrination allows for the possibility of no change in thier plans or the ending as they are but it is a continuation of them, an add on past what is there.

And the endings aren't a cliffhanger? Again if anything even taking into account it may be all they planned to do with no epilogue DLC or Indoctrination theory, the ending as is, is a Cliffhanger intended for speculation...god the whole 5 sec breathing clip and "tell me another story" is right out of the "Cliffhangers for Noobs" handbook.

[Jaze55]

Grusome11 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

You know, for all you people who come in here talking about how this theory is false and that we're overthinking or whatever.

You have a lot of nerve to request new endings with the "Retake" movement when here we are, giving people an out to make the endings better, a reason if you will, and what do you do? You deny that it's even possible! So you hate the endings, but when someone tries to make sense of them to make them better, you STILL hate them?!

I don't get it, do you just hate BioWare in general or what?

The theory doesn't make them better.

There are still lots of holes in the theory (both in lore and logic) and they all to the same outcome - no matter what, Shepard has been indoctrinated. Even in the perfect destroy ending, Shepard's mind has been permanently changed by the indoctrination.

Those of us that want it changed want it changed to something better than the original endings, not something thats even bleaker and still has holes in it.

Please point out the holes in indoc theory, because I don't think you have. There are some things that are not explained, but IT is the best explanation so far for huge plot holes I see if the star child is telling the truth. The most obvious one being "I created synthetics to kill you to prevent you from being killed by synthetics."

And again, if Shepard is able to resist Reaper indoc why would his mind be changed? He resisted it. He may or may not be changed by resisting, but is not plausible that he can function long enough to save the galaxy?

Click on my profile and read every post I wrote in this thread. I have given MULTIPLE reasons using the games lore and mechanics why its false and the only way it can work is if Shepard is super human and in that case everything else you call space magic is 100% validated. 

[SirCroft]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I have come to the conclusion that is the theory behind the ending. There is simply to much evidence and facts to state otherwise. The story ain't finished yet and I am gonne wait for the ending that I am sure is soon to come more shepard against!

Stargazer : "Tell me a nother story of the shepard!"

Yes and then it tell you to "Continue the adventure through DLC"

Anothe story about Shepard can mean ME1 or 2 or a Take Back Omega DLC or a pacman DLC. 

But of course it will be twisted to only mean Shep is indoctrinated just so it supports your theory. 

I think pretty much everyone got what they meant by "Continue the adventure through DLC" and that was the biggest slap in the face, hence people aren't willing to buy the DLc unless the endings are fixed first.

[Jaze55]

SirCroft wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I have come to the conclusion that is the theory behind the ending. There is simply to much evidence and facts to state otherwise. The story ain't finished yet and I am gonne wait for the ending that I am sure is soon to come more shepard against!

Stargazer : "Tell me a nother story of the shepard!"

Yes and then it tell you to "Continue the adventure through DLC"

Anothe story about Shepard can mean ME1 or 2 or a Take Back Omega DLC or a pacman DLC. 

But of course it will be twisted to only mean Shep is indoctrinated just so it supports your theory. 

I think pretty much everyone got what they meant by "Continue the adventure through DLC" and that was the biggest slap in the face, hence people aren't willing to buy the DLc unless the endings are fixed first.

Then why would someone, who i quoted, use it as a reason to support the indoc theory? 

[S Atomeha]

I support Indoc, i also support Shepard if indoctrinated killing himself after beating the reapers. sort of as a last casualty(after saying goodbye to his friends, and with a good standing of where the races develop from there).

[ArkkAngel007]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Btw, has anyone explain how Shepard is alive on Earth yet after the Destroy ending beyond the bs claim of space magic?

Yes, Shepard is on Earth. The rubble is composed of concrete and rebar. You see a shelving unit in the background. The patterns on the more intact concrete faces match the facades of the buildings near the beam zone.

There was no return portal towards the beam, Shepard is knocked back by an explosion that should have killed him after his severe injuries. The script makes no mention of how Shepard lives. His synthetics keeping him alive would be destroyed, thus what is probably keeping him alive are gone and Shepard should be dead.

If that can be explained, beyond fan-service, crap writing, and space magic which are useless conjecture (if you can call it that), than IT can be buried and forgotten unless BioWare wishes to use it to please people.

The scene doesn't support the indoc theory any more than it supports the real endings.

The area near the beam zone is virtually devoid of rubble, and is bathed in a blue glow. Yet when Shepard wakes up, vast piles of rubble have appeared and the blue glow of the Conduit is gone. If he's in the same place, then the rubble has appeared form nowhere and the Conduit has been turned off and therefore Shepard has no way of reaching the Citadel. If he was moved by either allies or enemies, they would be around him and wouldn't leave him on (and partically beneath) a random pile of rubble. Which means he was either thrown a long way by the blast (despite no-one else being thrown by the blasts of the laser) or he is still hallucinating.

Whichever way you cut it, the Shepard waking up scene is a plothole in both the actual endings and this theory.

That's just it though, we don't know what is happening in that scene aside from Shepard waking up.  However, if the endings are literal, we know that Shepard, especially in the state he was in, could not have survived the destruction of the Citadel and had no way to return.

So him living means that something wasn't right.  It's that simple.  Maybe it was a hallucination, maybe it was indoctrination, or maybe it was some acid-tripped dream.  Who knows?  But the ending is not what it appeared to be at a glance.

[Bane]

Indoctrination takes time. Days, weeks, months, years. It's not something the Reapers can simply switch on and you're instantly under their control. So what would happen if the Reapers were destroyed part way through the process? We have no idea. It has never happened before.

I think the idea that he either must kill himself, starve, go insane or become a husk assumes Shepard is completely indoctrinated. The theory assumes that he's only partially indoctrinated or even resisted it outright.

Perhaps someone with a particularly strong will like Shepard could recover from an incomplete indoctrination. If the Reapers were destroyed and their outside influence ceased you'd no longer be fighting to maintain your mind, you'd be fighting to recover it.

Perhaps his cybernetic implants afforded him some additional resistance to the affects and Harbinger was not able to get even a partial indoctrination.

[Jaze55]

S Atomeha wrote...

I support Indoc, i also support Shepard if indoctrinated killing himself after beating the reapers. sort of as a last casualty(after saying goodbye to his friends, and with a good standing of where the races develop from there).

Sorry but if he was indoctrinated he wouldn't consider those his friends anymore and would try to kill them, according to in game lore and mechanics. Just like what happened to Saren, Benezia, Doctor Project Rho in Arrivel.... and pretty much every single other person who has ever been indoctrinated in the game since its inception according to the games laws and mechanics. 

Unless of course, Shepard is superman. 

[ArkkAngel007]

I also don't see the difference between IT people talking about how they view the game and debating it and those who feel BioWare purposely trashed the game and the fanbase and debating it.

Seems like a really hypocritical standpoint to me.

[Syrellaris]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I have come to the conclusion that is the theory behind the ending. There is simply to much evidence and facts to state otherwise. The story ain't finished yet and I am gonne wait for the ending that I am sure is soon to come more shepard against!

Stargazer : "Tell me a nother story of the shepard!"

Yes and then it tell you to "Continue the adventure through DLC"

Anothe story about Shepard can mean ME1 or 2 or a Take Back Omega DLC or a pacman DLC. 

But of course it will be twisted to only mean Shep is indoctrinated just so it supports your theory. 

Please, as if the "movement" cause has probably cause to be offended. You either have no facts or evidence backing you up with anything relating to this being the final ending.

[Candidate 88766]

Grusome11 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

You know, for all you people who come in here talking about how this theory is false and that we're overthinking or whatever.

You have a lot of nerve to request new endings with the "Retake" movement when here we are, giving people an out to make the endings better, a reason if you will, and what do you do? You deny that it's even possible! So you hate the endings, but when someone tries to make sense of them to make them better, you STILL hate them?!

I don't get it, do you just hate BioWare in general or what?

The theory doesn't make them better.

There are still lots of holes in the theory (both in lore and logic) and they all to the same outcome - no matter what, Shepard has been indoctrinated. Even in the perfect destroy ending, Shepard's mind has been permanently changed by the indoctrination.

Those of us that want it changed want it changed to something better than the original endings, not something thats even bleaker and still has holes in it.

Please point out the holes in indoc theory, because I don't think you have. There are some things that are not explained, but IT is the best explanation so far for huge plot holes I see if the star child is telling the truth. The most obvious one being "I created synthetics to kill you to prevent you from being killed by synthetics."

And again, if Shepard is able to resist Reaper indoc why would his mind be changed? He resisted it. He may or may not be changed by resisting, but is not plausible that he can function long enough to save the galaxy?

-There is no lore indicating that indoctrination causes hallucinations of entire locations and events. The highest level of indoctrination leads only to hearing alien voices in your mind, and by that point the Reapers have full control over the subjects body.

-There is no evidence whatsoever throughout any of the 3 games that Shepard is even slightly indoctrinated - there has never been evidence of him hearing a buzzing noise of him having feelins of being watched. This means he went into the final battle either not indoctrinated at all, or having been so slightly indoctrinated as to exhibit none of the symptoms. In either case, indoctrination does not happen anywhere near as rapidly as the theory requires.

-Indoctrination cannot be stopped through simple willpower. Indoctrination permanently changes your mind - willpower can't undo that.

-Why would Shepard imagine the same cutscene regardless of whether he had broken free of indoctrinated or had become fully indoctrinated?

Then of course there is common sense;

-Bioware wouldn't release the concluding part of the ME trilogy without its real ending.

-Given the backlash over Origin, and the fact that BF3 failed to be as successful as they wanted, EA is going to play it safe with ME3. They need it to be a hit. They aren't going to ask Bioware to withold the ending as DLC, and Bioware wouldn't do that on their own, because the backlash would be volcanic.

-Given how bad the fan, and indeed media backlash has been, Bioware would have said something by now if the theory was true. They wouldn't put up with this much bad press for the sake of basically saying 'April fool's, here's the real ending' to a handful more fans. Not to mention that they have come out and said they're considering changing the endings, which they wouldn't do if they had plans for continuation - a key point of the theory.

-The game directly tells that player that Shepard has just ended the Reaper threat. Not that he went on to end it later, or that someone else ended it, but that during what you just played the Reaper threat was ended by Shepard.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 19 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[Midnight Eternal]

Fingertrip wrote...

The evidence of the CM teasing about the Indoctrination being real should be sufficient, really. And with the fact Shepard wakes up in London after achieving the best EMS score in order to get that ending. Piles of evidence to support Indoctrination is all over, and yet the rejection is for people who cannot fathom such simplicity in lore transitioning into actual the game. That's like you're reading a book, but you never took the liberty to understand the actual story. The vaste difference of understanding, and just reading. The indoctrination was introduced in the first game, and was introduced in the second, and is present still in the third. How it occurs, and to whom it occurs to and why is pretty clear. Shepard is the ultimate victim, and Bioware had more planned on this, but removed the aspect of being completely out of control- > because it's not a fun gameplay mechanic to begin with, and this is true in all genres of game when you're not in control of what your character is doing.

@MassEffected555, you've got no idea what you're talking about, and it seems you're relatively new to the franchise. I'd recommend reading through the Mass Effect Codex to learn more in-depth about Indoctrination for starters. Shepard has been consistantly been renowned for having "remarkbly strong mind" (Stated by Liara in ME1, if you ever played it?) and it's possible that Shepard has been able to fend off Indoctrination attempts up until the very point where he is close-to mortally wounded, and that's when the ultimate trial of either succeed or fail begings. This is all very simple stuff, and Bioware is probably baffled over how simple the community is, they probably expected more of their consumers. :-)

This is where you seem to be missing the lore, imo. No one has overcome Indoctrination in the ME universe as far I am aware. Shepard should be no exception. He is a physically human as anyone else *EDIT(aside from implants which would not likely prevent the process)*. And Indoctrination physiologically alters the victims brain with a signal, so willpower would not stop it.

Modifié par Midnight Eternal, 19 mars 2012 - 07:04 .

[Syrellaris]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I have come to the conclusion that is the theory behind the ending. There is simply to much evidence and facts to state otherwise. The story ain't finished yet and I am gonne wait for the ending that I am sure is soon to come more shepard against!

Stargazer : "Tell me a nother story of the shepard!"

You honestly believe that Bioware would leave the concluding part of the ME trilogy unfinished?

huh? No I am saying that I am expecting that the current ending isn't the final chapter of ME3 yet and they have planned it this way to release a large expansion DLC.

[Jaze55]

Bane_v2 wrote...

Indoctrination takes time. Days, weeks, months, years. It's not something the Reapers can simply switch on and you're instantly under their control. So what would happen if the Reapers were destroyed part way through the process? We have no idea. It has never happened before.

I think the idea that he either must kill himself, starve, go insane or become a husk assumes Shepard is completely indoctrinated. The theory assumes that he's only partially indoctrinated or even resisted it outright.

Perhaps someone with a particularly strong will like Shepard could recover from an incomplete indoctrination. If the Reapers were destroyed and their outside influence ceased you'd no longer be fighting to maintain your mind, you'd be fighting to recover it.

Perhaps his cybernetic implants afforded him some additional resistance to the affects and Harbinger was not able to get even a partial indoctrination.

See BENEZIA... 

Not 100% sure but have to believe Shep was rebuilt using reaper tech. so it would make it easier to indoc him.

[Jaze55]

Syrellaris wrote...

MassEffected555 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

I have come to the conclusion that is the theory behind the ending. There is simply to much evidence and facts to state otherwise. The story ain't finished yet and I am gonne wait for the ending that I am sure is soon to come more shepard against!

Stargazer : "Tell me a nother story of the shepard!"

Yes and then it tell you to "Continue the adventure through DLC"

Anothe story about Shepard can mean ME1 or 2 or a Take Back Omega DLC or a pacman DLC. 

But of course it will be twisted to only mean Shep is indoctrinated just so it supports your theory. 

Please, as if the "movement" cause has probably cause to be offended. You either have no facts or evidence backing you up with anything relating to this being the final ending.

Once again read all my posts as I have given evidence using in game laws and mechanics to prove you wrong, If you are to lzy to read thru it then don't bother me again. 

ANd hey just and FYI I am 100% behind the Take Back Mass Effect movement but I am 100% agaist your little cult trying to "PROVE" to everyone how right you are.