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[Cucobr]

This video about IT is pretty awesome.

[Safoulan]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Anyway say and think what you want whatever makes you feel better I really don't care. 

Dude... you're still here!?

[pity] [facepalm] [disbelief]

You seem to care more about disproving a theory you don't even agree with than having a life.
Sorry for the personal attack... but I just can't believe you've been posting here all this time.
I've been at work, lunch, a nap... another nap.
Seriously, arguments aside, go do something.
Get outdoors.
Think about something that doesn't involve Commander Shep.

[/all]

I'll say it again; Realists are so adorable.

Lets follow Joker's example with his quip to Shep to "Teach the Reapers how to love."

Dreamers and Realists, hug it out.
We need each other.

Without you Realists we Dreamers would never stay grounded.
Without us Dreamers, you Realists would never get off the ground.

Peace <3

[DnVill]

Grusome11 wrote...

DnVill wrote...

I don't get why Indoctrination believers ask for proof why it is false when the indoctrination theory's proof itself is mere speculation.

We'll never know until Bioware devs stop celebrating and start fixing.

I am not asking to prove that IT is wrong and I don't think anyone else is.

I am simply saying that IT makes the most sense of what we have seen. I do not ask the other side to prove that IT is not true, its a theory, it is not necessarily true, by definition. Evolution is a theory, not a truth.

However, if you want to come and poke hole it the theory you are welcome to. It serves the function of making the theory stronger if we can explain the problems. This is a thread about Indoc Theory, so if you are going to argue that it is wrong, it is expected that you might have to give some reasons.

However, if you come in here and keep repeating things that are not true or have been refuted already, such as indoctrination works a certain way because I said so, or the hero of a story can't do something that no one else has done, when it is obvious that the hero has done those things, don't expect to get understand and sympathy.

It is true that only BW will be able to settle if IT is correct or not.

Xerkysz wrote...


I'm still waiting for someone to give actual reasoning and proof to why it's false, instead of screaming GRASPINGATSTRAWS.JPG L3L3L3L3L3L3L

 

This is what I meant with my post.

The theory is merely a posibility... no concrete evidence justifies it. Every "proof" it has can be counter pointed. Threads like this pop up almost as much as "the ending sucks" threads claiming proof but can only speculate about it.

If you want to throw examples then I should tell you that once everyone thought the world was flat without actually proving it. Why? because it made sense to everyone until it was proven otherwise.

I'm not looking for sympathy. Just state the theory and stop shoving it down everyone's throats because the theory makes sense.

[Abram730]

MassEffected555 wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...

CHT87 wrote...



Best explanation out there?

It puts the indoctrination theory really on a plate for you... it is very well done.

If true, then Bioware did the most amazing job as no one has ever done before,  to screw around with people's minds, and we all fell for it.

If not... then it's still a nice theory, in the end it's up to you want yo uwant to believe

It's a terrible theory that bends all the rules to make it fit. I already said if that was the case Shepard has some superhuman power to resist it unlike all the other Mass Effect characters that have ever been indoctrinated. 

SPACE MAGIC 

 

"theory that bends all the rules to make it fit. "
What rules do you speak of? You don't reference any "rules" or explain how "rules" are "bent", yet present yourself as an expert on such "rules". You make an argument of ambiguous assertion and from falsely implied authority.

The reality is that if the end if taken literally, and without indoctrination it is filled with plot holes, bent logic, circular logic and is runs counter to what preceded it.. From an IT perspective it makes sense, and without plot holes. You are claiming the inverse to be true and at the same time claiming the end sucks because it is filling with plot holes and bent rules and is an internal contradiction in your arguments.

"I already said if that was the case Shepard has some superhuman power to resist it unlike all the other Mass Effect characters that have ever been indoctrinated. "

Is this a Joke?
You raise the bar presenting an exaggerated space magic view of indoctrination for Shepard to overcome. you then lie about the games events, characters, and fiction as the inverse is true about other characters. You use this magically inflated view as a ground point, then attempt to use Bifurcation combined an Ad Hominem Tu Quoque to strike at the indoctrination theory with questions of the VI. Is this a joke?

IF you "can't" resist it.. why was Saren implanted because of doubts? Even with the implants he was able to shoot himself and that is after being fully indoctrinated. Benezia resisted and was fully indoctrinated... Did Saren and Benezia have "some superhuman power"? Explain this Mass Effect you made up in your head to us. It's you who are bending things well beyond the breaking point. Your thinking and logic, are as bent as Saren's was.

Yet Shepard has been exposed to artifacts and been around reapers so your base argument for shepard not being indoctrinated is what? That he has "some superhuman power to resist" and thus can't be indoctrinated? The inverse of what you just said. Another internal contradiction in the arguments against IT.

Your conceptualization doesn't at all match the game..
Have you been indoctrinated by the ending??? lol

Lets be clear with some things..
I look at the game without space magic when possible.
the game itself has some issues with explanation of indoctrination.. like "infrasonic sound".. Well there is something with sound... but in the 20hz to 40hz that isn't infrasonic... The 4-20hz range is infrasonic. You can use sound though to shift peoples mind into a more suggestible brain state. I think it was first done around 1839-1840 Doing it without head phones is more difficult, but it can be done... I've gotten people to pass out from it... Literally zonked out as I reprogrammed them.. Programing also works. You can over time change a person and it can be fundamental change to their nature.  I speak as a person who has some odd, yet practical interests.

There is a good TED talk about the use EMR to alter the morality of subjects. I never worked with that, but understand the basics.

[Xerkysz]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Once again there is no 'attempt" they just do it. According to in game lore and mechanics.

There clearly is an attempt, as Harbinger couldn't get Shep in ME2.

[Abram730]

MassEffected555 wrote...

Grusome11 wrote...

There is anothe rthread up about why Indoc Theory is wrong.

However, IT is the only thing out there that explains the huge plot hole and illogic regarding what the starchild says.

The usual way to disprove a theory is to replace it with another one that better explains the facts.

If IT is wrong, how do you explain the huge plot hole and illogic in the final ten minutes?

I can't. That's why i am part of Take Back Mass Effect.

But the Indoc Theory opens up new plot holes and honestly is no better. It actually BREAKS the lore and mechanics while the ending we got only adds - some extremely weird and random - elements to the ME universe. 

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But the Indoc Theory opens up new plot holes
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Lies

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honestly is no better
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I haven't seen you be honest yet.  Were you raised that way?

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It actually BREAKS the lore and mechanics
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Lies

The ending adds mental illness to the game if it is to be taken literally.

[Xerkysz]

MassEffected555 wrote...

But the Indoc Theory opens up new plot holes and honestly is no better. It actually BREAKS the lore and mechanics.

Bullet point them.
And as far as breaking the lore and mechanics goes, Shepard being revived at the start of ME2 doesn't?

Nice Zombie account bro.
Don't BioWare need you back in the lunch room making their coffees?

Modifié par Xerkysz, 20 mars 2012 - 03:58 .

[ramenbito]

Bump.

[ImperatorMortis]

This is the first time I read about indoctrination theory, and I gotta say. I like, and support it.